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Originally posted by Ahabstar
reply to post by rich23
Just that it causes harm to the one defamed, not necessarily illegal actions nor loss of income from my understanding, although those are the easiest to prove.
The part about Obama being a fan of Charlie Sheen's show would be enough (or the entire "interview" if it was stated as a cause for scoring lower on Obama's popularity polls) as it could be considered an incidental contributing cause should Obama not be re-elected in 2012.
Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by rich23
Obama would have to prove defamation of character to prove libel.
Also, people are immune from liability for stating untrue statements about elected representatives the last time I checked.
To me the U2U wasn't the worrying part. I could handle someone drawing my attention to something. It was the fact the U2U asked us to dig an article stating the whole of Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen's interview was a hoax without stipulating that the fictional interview was still highly relevant and loaded with facts.
Originally posted by kshaund
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
... be sure to send us all another U2U and let us know what to believe next.
Originally posted by Clickfoot
It is a shame, though, that we now have other sites claiming it as clear deception, and insisting Sheen was in on said deception, because of the way this was handled. I note they've been saying so for a lot longer than 81 minutes. How much better it would have been for everyone if they focused on the content, pointing out it was fictional, instead of labelling it a hoax.
[edit on 9-9-2009 by Clickfoot]
Originally posted by Tentickles
Our Site motto is Deny Ignorance not Tolerate Ignorance.
Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by rich23
But the fact remains, AJ was and is nothing more than a media whore.
The fact is, he knew this was a fake, he presented it as real, it was a HOAX!
... it's going to be harder for them to get their message out there thanks to this tard.
Originally posted by BlackOps719
Can I just point out one thing?
It is the duty of the one presenting the information to make it unquestionably clear that what he is saying is FALSE if it indeed is FALSE.
You can't post something so obviously inflammatory as fact for two full hours, passing it off as the gospel truth, and then expect to be able to come along and recant after the damage has been done.
. . .
There has been no evidence to suggest that it was anything other than a mistake on the part of AJ or whoever works on his website.
My point is, ultimately, that despite a lack of any evidence to suggest a malicious intent, ATS is labelling Jones a hoaxer.
Originally posted by blupblup
Now maybe if CS sits down with Obama and grills him over the official 9/11 story and some kind of admission is obtained....then it will have been worth it.
Originally posted by quackers
What mob mentality.
I thought the U2U was very clear in its aim, to inform people to inform others that they Jones/Sheen thing was just a stunt. If uninformed people go around spreading this like it is true, then it flies in the face of of those seeking to expose the truth.
Why you're all bend out of shape because a site who's motto is "Deny Ignorance" sends a mass pm to its users to rally against ignorance, well, it's beyond me.
In a movement dedicated to truth and all things truthful, telling lies is tantamount to sabotage.
Originally posted by mister.old.school
Originally posted by blupblup
Now maybe if CS sits down with Obama and grills him over the official 9/11 story and some kind of admission is obtained....then it will have been worth it.
I apologize, in advance, for my abrupt directness, but I believe it's sorely needed here.
Anyone who holds out hope that this stunt will result in an interview with Obama (or any member of the government for that matter), is seriously delusional.
This event is a case study in exactly how one could guarantee such an interview will never happen.
Originally posted by blupblup
I think the point remains that AJ hyped this thing up so much, that most were disappointed and some flat out pissed off at this "hoax/slip up"
Now maybe if CS sits down with Obama and grills him over the official 9/11 story and some kind of admission is obtained....then it will have been worth it.
Or if millions of people are alerted to the "fact" that 9/11 was an inside job... then it will be worth it.
Originally posted by quackers
reply to post by rich23
You seem to completely miss the point that it matters not what truth Sheen's letter has, because him and Jones have used deception to put it across. The truth therefore is irrelivent, soiled by the lies. It is not credible. And that is why the U2U was needed.
[edit on 9-9-2009 by quackers]