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Did no one really get what Jones was trying to do?

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posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 06:54 PM
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reply to post by MontanaMike
 


Who says you can't do both?




posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 07:43 PM
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reply to post by A Fortiori
 

Another discussion of the thiking of these 'co-conspirators' -


Why would anybody honestly interested in 'awakening the sleeping masses' be slamming these guys ?



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 08:13 PM
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Because his last name is Jones and not Cooper?

I don't know. According to this lad named Mark, there was this Jesus fellow who said a really interesting thing. He said: Those that are not against us are for us.

Maybe Jones doesn't do it the way everyone would like him to, but he is out there fighting the fight. In essence, whether these posters choose to believe it or not, he is with them.



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
If Alex Jones did not mean to defraud anyone, he would have stuck the disclaimer in before he posted the whole hoax, pure and simple.


No, not pure and simple. Had he done that people who don't like to read would have skipped down to the comments and started rattling their opinions AS USUAL on how it was a dumb idea.




You can't really believe Alex did this for altruistic purposes, can you? I mean, posting a big lie regarding 9/11 truth to get mainstream media attention? Do you NOT see the sheer retarded stupidity of such a stunt?


Yes, uh huh, and no. I think it was brilliant actually because now instead of just "us" conspiracy types talking about it we have Perezhilton covering it.

That, my friend, is brilliant.


If you can't, let me spell it out for you. The media, if they even bothered to notice, would catch on to the fact that a self styled crusader for the 9/11 truth movement posted a massive fraud that truthers themselves believed. THATS what any media report would say: Truth Movement figureheads are con-artists, and truthers themselves are a bunch of guillable sheep who will believe anything posted online.


Actually, not that is not what they said. In fact some brought up that Charlie had some good points.

And isn't that the point?


And that helps the truth movement....how?
To open the truth movement up to more people beside, pardon, us nutjobs.


Really, all this defense of Alex Jones reminds me of the little old ladies defending Jim Baker after his whole scam busted wide open.


Because he took money from us how? Did he bilk you out of your life savings?



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 09:38 PM
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I am so disappointed with these so called 9/11 truthers here on ATS. Some of you have put out some really good research peaces but now it is all going to waste, thanks to your own egos and ignorance.


Your work here is all going to waste not because Alex Jones is making you look bad, but because you are making yourselves look bad by discrediting and and demonizing Alex Jones!

It does not take much brain cells to understand that Alex Jones is on the same side, and presents the same facts and evidence as most of you here. Does he go off the deep end and say that aliens took down the two towers? NOPE! He does not even touch the no plane theory because he knows that its all just a bunch of bull.

This guys runs a radio show and a business, DUH!

He needs funding right?

Do you expect him to pull it out of his ass?

Get a life people! Learn to properly observe what is going on here, stop discrediting yourselves and quit your bitchin please!



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by A Fortiori
Maybe Jones doesn't do it the way everyone would like him to, but he is out there fighting the fight. In essence, whether these posters choose to believe it or not, he is with them.


Yeah, he is with us. Alex is fighting the good fight. He perpetrated this fraud to help us. Why are we bashing him for that?
"You know those CPS perverts come and steal your kids, lock 'em up in cages and toss them a hot dog every once in a while or just let them starve to death"-actual quote
Ok folks, this is proven, this is documented. Come on, this is admitted, folks. WAKE UP! I have been telling you that the end is coming for almost two decades now, when are you going to listen?????? You need to be awakened because I want you safe. I want you prepared. More after this add for water filters and survival gear. Ok we are back to spend the third hour talking about gold and why you need to buy gold right now from my good friend. Gotta buy gold, people and you have to buy it here. This is all for your own good because as a Christian, I love you enough to lie to you to save you. God bless you whiny little wimps, I'M COMING DOWN THERE!! YOU GONNA BE THERE YOU LITTLE PUNK! YEAH SHOW UP! SHOW UP, PUNK! i CANNOT WAIT TO SEE YOU!!!!!!! God bless!



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by housegroove23
I am so disappointed with these so called 9/11 truthers here on ATS. Some of you have put out some really good research peaces but now it is all going to waste, thanks to your own egos and ignorance.



My cousin is a truther. He also believes in fairies and unicorns. Are you saying that I need to believe in his belief in them in order to be a truther myself? You are saying they all need to be sheep and stick together no matter how crazy someone gets. Alex is someone who lies in order to make money from commercials. That is all he is. His feelings about 9/11 and someone else's have nothing to do with each other. They are not all "no-planers" or hologram believers or flyover people or whatever. Some people just have questions. Alex has made a living off of conspiracy theories. Why would he let such a good one like this pass him by? That would be like expecting you to pass a wheelbarrow full of money and just keep walking because you want to believe the same thing everyone else does.



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 10:04 PM
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Pretty pathetic bro!

You are telling me that you never saw someone get heated and angry before?

This kinda heated anger is nothing new in the talk radio world, have you hear of Michal Savage before?

Are you also saying that because Alex Jones promotes it we should not by water filtration, stock up on food and convert some of our money into solid assets?

Well I guess, having passion, getting angry and being prepared are just horrible, horrible things to do. Lets just all turn on the telly now!



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 10:04 PM
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Thank you Mr. Groove, or may I call you "House"?

There are posters here who act as though we don't need money, that we live in some fairy land where everything is free.

When these naysayers can fund and run an operation of AJ's size on unicorn farts or whatever else powers studios when you can't pay an electric bill then I will concede that Alex is just doing it for the money.



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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When anyone on ATS has the cojones to sneak into the Bohemian Grove and stake out the Bilderbergs then I will accept that they have the same level of commitment as Alex Jones. He and Icke have been doing it for years in spite of the ridicule and pies in the face. The rest of us are noobs compared to guys like these.

Are they perfect? No. None of us are. They are doing the best they can.

This all feels like those people who drop a rock band once it becomes popular: The White Stripes are sellouts, I tell you. Sellouts!



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by A Fortiori
reply to post by Lillydale
 


When anyone on ATS has the cojones to sneak into the Bohemian Grove and stake out the Bilderbergs then I will accept that they have the same level of commitment as Alex Jones. He and Icke have been doing it for years in spite of the ridicule and pies in the face. The rest of us are noobs compared to guys like these.

Are they perfect? No. None of us are. They are doing the best they can.

This all feels like those people who drop a rock band once it becomes popular: The White Stripes are sellouts, I tell you. Sellouts!


How can i make agreeing with you a two line post hmmmmm i think i found a way oops nope now i have found a way


[edit on 9-9-2009 by Beefcake]



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 10:21 PM
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whatever Jones or Sheen did, if this has been picked up by MSM - its all good !

just noted this on fox www.foxnews.com...



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by A Fortiori
reply to post by Lillydale
 


When anyone on ATS has the cojones to sneak into the Bohemian Grove and stake out the Bilderbergs then I will accept that they have the same level of commitment as Alex Jones.
Commitment and honesty are two very different things.

Let me ask you this, how long ago did he sneak into bohemian grove?

Do you truly believe that as a human being, Alex is beyond corruption?

LOTS OF PEOPLE stake out the bilderberg meetings. Are you telling me that you are willing to believe everything that each and every one of them says just because they stand across the street with a camera?

He and Icke have been doing it for years in spite of the ridicule and pies in the face. The rest of us are noobs compared to guys like these.


Are you trying to be serious or not? I am willing to hear you out up until the point where reptillians from mars who live in middle earth who are secretly controlling EVERYTHING and that is why it is taking them thousands of years to do whatever it is they want to do enter into it.


Are they perfect? No. None of us are. They are doing the best they can.


That is my point. How can you honestly say that you know 100% that the increase in revenue that even Alex has bragged about with his money bombs and new sponsors and an entire hour a day dedicated to a gold seller has not changed him at all? Ever read about lottery winners? They do all kinds of crazy crap no one ever would have believed they would do. Money corrupts. Can you guarantee it has not corrupted Alex?


This all feels like those people who drop a rock band once it becomes popular: The White Stripes are sellouts, I tell you. Sellouts!


Did I ever call Alex a sellout? I did not know he was popular now. You are losing me fast here. The white stripes always sucked but then again I am not 22, drunk, and kinda stupid.

Guarantee me that he has not turned into a liar or has not changed at all or is completely beyond corruption.

Do not even start in with Icke. That dude is laughing his lizard butt all the way to the bank



posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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I think we need to send support to Charlie Sheen, now mainstream picked this up, some calling him 'delusional', 'coocko' etc, bringing up his divorce case..

He is under the media heat right now and needs support !




posted on Sep, 9 2009 @ 11:32 PM
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i agree with the op. everybody is making a big fuss about nothing. if people would of listened to his show yesterday(9/8/9) in the first minutes of the show he explains that it is a interview that charlie sheen would like to have with the president and that the only way to get people to read about 9/11 truth is to put into a interesting format that isnt so boring like looking through tons of documents. if you havent heard the show form 9/8/9 i suggest you go on infowars.com and listen to it there or download the podcast.

** just a side note i do listen the alex jones show. i do not agree with everything that he says i think in this instance its a hyped misunderstanding, but maybe that was the point all along??



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 12:29 AM
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I skinned my knee tonight, what's really scary, people are feeling the pinch. People are are ready to fight, for survival. Me, says, survival, I will follow, if not, expect to expediate no further.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:01 AM
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I don't care whether it was a hoax, or you think it discredits Jones. I just hope it works. So many people are convinced that 911 was done by our govt, where are all these people and why arn't they out there screaming for the government to be thrown in jail. Why are we still giving the government our respect and obedience when we know they are vicious killers and now they want to "vaccinate" our children against a hoax flu.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:21 AM
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If you look at his website, you find that the letter represents Charlie Sheen's questions to Obama. Nothing more or less. Yet why it was announced as "big" I don't know. Maybe irony
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With regard to why Sheen, why not? If you like the questions (and wonder about the answers), why then harp about Sheen being a druggie etc?

And with regard to people stating that AJ is a frontman, i'n't that setting your self up for disappointment? It's just a guy with a syndicated radio show and a website. As much as he might be promoting truth or should I say "truth", I guess the good stuff will stay buried deep down.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 04:36 AM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
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It wasn't a lie. It was a work of fiction.

It was a war of the worlds type of thing. Can't you guys see that?


sorry... IF you check your facts, War of the Worlds (Orson Welles, 1938) WAS advertised as a radio play/mercury theatre adaptation of the book in advance of the broadcast. This can hardly be called similar as AJ deliberately lied/misled his audience... cheap, cheap, tawdry, and did I mention cheap?

So Alex Jones considers himself a culture jammer? Id say he better find the definition out first...



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 05:02 AM
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Not sure why a lot of you believe that Alex Jones actually "Conspired" to Hoax everyone... Oh wait... I almost forgot that this IS a conspiracy website after all.


Bottom line, I don't believe he meant to actually "Hoax" anyone. Especially after watching his "Apology Video". No Conspiracy here folks. You don't need to make it into something so complex. Sometimes the truth actually is as "Simple" as someone making an honest mistake. That's why I try not to be too quick to Judge.

Anyways, I just watched his Video Apology. It actually makes perfect sense.


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