I dont see the big deal
If we all delve deep enough into our past something controvesial will come up
No biggie in my opinion, especially considering it was a university... You meet alot of people, maybe he just used his computer once on a drunken night? lots of plausible explanations

The link between the two didn't prevent him from being beheaded by terrorists, correct? If anything, this makes me think the purported terrorists didn't actually decapitate Mr. Berg.

I would be interested in the odds all on these coincidences happening to a single individual. It has to be astronomical. Anyone a statician?

Bangin', you make a very good point, but in what you are saying, I have one thought:
Perhaps the parents can vouch to whether their son is dead or not, and if his head was indeed removed. I'm sure that they have identified the body and proceeded with his funeral. Would they not be able to say whether it was their son or not and whether his head was removed?

I think that if his head wasn't removed or he wasn't dead, they would somehow know this and thus, be eager to report so to the media?



seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
Perhaps the parents can vouch to whether their son is dead or not, and if his head was indeed removed. I'm sure that they have identified the body and proceeded with his funeral. Would they not be able to say whether it was their son or not and whether his head was removed?

Oh, I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here. At this point I have no reason to believe that Nick Berg is alive. My comment applied to the 'masked men' that decapitated Mr. Berg. I haven't watched the video myself, but the general membership of ATS believes he was beheaded!

The obvious question seems to be, who are the masked men responsible for his death?

Hmm, again, my apologies Bangin'...I missed the focal point you were making: "purported terrorists".

Yes, I agree. Wearing those masks or scarf's definitely make it identifying troublesome. This I will agree on.
My only questions to this then would be 'who' was the people who reported this to the Arab site that posted the video? Was it those with known contact with the one who claimed responsibility: Al-Zarqawi?
If Al-Zarqawi didn't do this or claim responsibility, why hasn't he come out with a counter-response to the Arab media or media period on this yet?



seekerof

well Al-Zarqawi is dead as some claim him to be, then perhaps that is reason why we haven't heard any denial from him.

What if???? Al-Zarqawi the undead is a full creation of some organization such as the CIA or other, who uses this dead man's identity to commit acts of terror and promote the response of the Bush's war against terrorism....intriguing possibilities.

btw, Linda Vester on FOX blasted Al-Jazeera for doubting the authencity of the tape when they reported that two sources have said that Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi is dead.

as for this connection between Moussaoui and Berg, well Moussaoui is alive and in custody, I am sure he can clear up how he got access to Berg internet password and email addy.

I know nothing of any islamic forbidding the wearing of gold.

most of my muslim relatives and friends wear jewelry, rings, rolexes, and almost every muslim male and female I know have the islamic crescent and star in the form of some sort of jewelry like a ring or necklace. There's also that sword sign one that is commonly worn in jewelry.

and I forgot to mention, one of my muslim uncles loves to wear those tacky, loud silk shirts.

[Edited on 5-14-2004 by worldwatcher]

I just posted what I came across. Now any fundementalist strain of any religion will add layers of stringency to their observations that the secular/moderates do not. There's a world of difference between the two polar extremes.

[Edited on 14-5-2004 by Bout Time]

Originally posted by Bout Time
A close examination of the tape shows none of the five masked men is wearing gloves, so federal officials are trying to determine if there are any tell-tale tattoos on their hands. One of the clues the FBI and CIA is studying is the large gold ring

Wait a minute, I thought that the CIA already confirmed that it was AL ZWILLIE (Whatever) due to his voice signature.

Who is that masked man?

I had looked at the Atzlan site, to tell you the truth, I do not believe anything they say, as I read some of the info in that site, they want to take American cities close to the border of Mexico and make it part of Mexico whether by force or politically. That site makes report to fit its own agenda and paint "an evil United States" picture to those that are ignorant to the truth, just like Fidel Castro has been doing all this time.

That site is completly unreliable imo.

Please. To try to use what these men are wearing or not wearing as proof or not of their identity is sheer naivete. The very first words of the Quran could be "Thou shalt not wear gold or silk" and if they could guarantee the deaths of a thousand Americans by wearing gold chains and silk shirts, believe me, they'd wear them.

The have already twisted the words of the Quran to justify murder many times, if we are to believe peaceful muslims. I certainly wouldn't wave them through a checkpoint simply because they wore a gold ring, if you catch my drift.

From "The Holy Qur'an: Text, Translation and Commentary. 'Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali. New Revised edition. Brentwood, Maryland, USA: Amana Corporation, 1989. pp. 351 ff.

7:31
" O Children of Adam!
Wear your beautiful appearel (1013)
At every time and place
Of prayer: eat and drink
But waste not by excess.
For Allah loveth not the wasters."

Footnote 1013:
Beautiful apparel: zinah: adornments or apparel for beautiful living: construed to mean not only clothes that add grace to the wearer, but toilet and cleanliness, attention to hair, and other small personal details which no self respectingman or woman ought to neglect when going before even a great human dignitary, . . .
. . . but caution against excess applies: men must not go to prayer in silks or ornaments appropriate to women.
****************

The quote from the Qur'an itself seems to permit 'beautiful apparel,' and yet 'Ali in his commentary specifically warns against the very same practice.

For the record,

Yes, Muslims can wear gold, silver, silk, whatever.

geberally, silver is worn more by men than women, as women wear gold more, gold is generally considered traditionally, for women.

However, that ahsnt stopped men from wearing it. They simply cannot have earings or femeinie looking jewlery. But they wear huge gaudy chunky nugget rings, love thier rolexes and big fat european ornaments. they wear robes of silk, though not cut and styled with feminine motifs. Generally, you dont see them wearing too many necklaces, as necklaces and chains are considered for women, however, they do wear watches and rings. And of gold and silver.

And they wear silk too. Plenty of it everywhere.

But the whole link between Berg and Moussai is....strange. Going by what Ive learned from 9/11, when it comes to "chance" associations....I tend to suspect theres alot mroe than meets the eye.