reply to post by RocketScientist
Well... Brilliant and there is some great advice.
Simple stuff many do not know... Ditch the cell phone, absolutely you probably just hit nail on the head exactly the single hardest piece of the
modern world we will have to be able to do without, with not knowing where some loved ones are maybe this is going to be a very difficult thing to
I would not expect that the first days will see the cell phone as a huge liability if your Joe Nobody and no one is specifically looking for you, but
yes... once and if your in "occupied territory and the list of who's missing gets handed over yeah that cell phone had better be gone before
Being able to block infrared also brilliant and also something you better have after the first few days and great advice few probably think of...
And very true what your saying, outdoor survival does take a long long time... I'm fast to say use a bow as that is the only way I am willing to hunt
but yeah, LOL... expect to starve at first and pray you nab some squirrel or something, small vials of pheromone or piss wont be handy
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with dealing with things as they would have to be if necessary.
I just believe avoidance is the best option particularly at first, it's hard to even imagine the chaos, I don't consider out and out urban warfare
to be a good scenario no matter how well trained I could ever be, I put a fighters survival in that environment given Govt troops rioters, people
attempting to mount a resistance at next to NIL against trained troops with proper equipment, maybe not next to nil, but anything can come at me, I
don't like my odds in a non strategic environment i.e. Chaos
And the last thing i would want trying to escape such an environment is someone who wants to fight their way out or be associated with any group of
numbers trying to do so, particularly numbers who are firing off shots... drawing attention to themselves.
To me any urban environment will fall into Two categories, the people WIN and push occupying forces out making the city a viable option for heavy
equipment use ranging from tanks, choppers or even a mini nuke god forbid... and there is simply a chance you might die in virtually inescapable fire
of some sort
The Troops win and your in occupied territory where you might as well be in a giant prison, once snipers are set up and resistance crushed it's going
to be impossible to get out or next to impossible.
I think you misunderstood
When I said I don't see the need for the gun, it's because I don't want to be on a List where I am a priority for containment and I definitely
don't want to end up in jail PRIOR in such events for possessing an illegal fire arm
My thought on the subject is like money a fool and their gun is soon parted.
I also have hundreds of miles of wilderness out my back door...
I feel quite certain that in the event of an event where I am, i'll have a gun given on request if need be and if not... I am quite sure I'll be
seeing numerous noisy violent deserving imbeciles who will attempt to run through my yard so to speak, and frankly they wont even know I was there
before I have what I need
So i'm of the opinion stocking up on arms is the best way to get noticed one way or another and have them at my door before anything happens... I
have 100 feet to go before i'm gone... if people start freaking out, certainly my town isn't going to erupt in chaos or be any sort of front target
or anything of that nature, food, water even power is local or off grid for most, whatever happens it will be signaled it will be happening elsewhere
first, i'll have time, some time at least...
and even from there... i'm heading as far and as fast as I can... hopefully avoiding entirely certain situations
if those situations find me or are in my vicinity... that's an entirely different story
I think we are basically on the same page actually...
All i'm saying is, i don't want a large group, i'll have precious cargo making things tough as it is... I definitely don't want a large group with
trigger happy members drawing attention to me... they better be ready to be quiet, move fast, move every single day and go distance
25% of this country not including Alaska has never been surveyed by foot... if there is no reason to look for me and i keep moving I might be able to
avoid and evade entirely with a bit of luck...
I doubt especially in the thick of things if an infra red signature is picked up of a couple of people soloing through serious terrain, they will be
dispatching a team of special forces...and you can hear most choppers and if you stick to the trees...even without the right equipment to hide,
you'll again with a bit of luck hopefully be covered in time...
with urban fighting rampant at least for weeks choppers with infra going through mountains for stragglers, i don't see this as the best or most
likely use, I see defections and problems within the system particularly among the police and forest service and locals with families...
in time if you stick around yeah, for sure...
But we are at war on two fronts, the national guard is highly over stretched already,it takes time to bring a Carrier Battle group home and major
cities would be first priority, the guard... half went in to pay for college...weekend warriors with kids... they might loose 30% or more of the ranks
the first week...
Take "Bucky" in Ny State... he evaded Police for 5 months, didn't attempt to leave the area, was actively seeking to do harm, shooting State
Troopers, successful stole over 41 Guns and was focus of a 400 Trooper man hunt, on the Fbi Top 15 list had federal police involved looking for him
and was on every most wanted list in every nearby state with his photo.
Given that kind of success, I just think if TSHTF I can in a time of utter chaos with every law enforcement and military personnel active fighting,
controlling riots, suppressing crowds, maintaining the flow of food and gear, dealing with what will surely be massive insurrection within their
ranks, having a list of KNOWN targets to pursue, major roads to blockade
I think... moving fast and looking to evade and get my hands on a gun or 10 if need be... i'll do just fine... my goal is to get myself and a couple
of people only as faraway as I can as fast as possible... with No One looking for me or even knowing i'm alive for at least a few weeks god
Another thing to consider is... If there were a revolution or chaos in the USA you can count on war breaking out around the world to take advantage,
our troops will be engaged for sure and bogged down around the world
I'm thinking working my way quietly through the woods, Deal with willy and he's 3 rapist pals when I notice them... hide from a rare passing
chopper... Doable, particularly if I make a point of using the first few weeks and not getting up on my house with an AK lol
Bottom line there will be Millions of Moronic People to deal with, caravans of people trying to resettle...
Bio... I want NO contact...
Revolution, I want to get to a place I could actually fight or not fight at all and see who is winning before I make a decision...
Invasion, definitively don't want to defend the front line... come find me
Massive natural disaster... anywhere I can quietly find my own food and water
WW3... As far from any major WMD targets as possible...
Out of Dodge until the smoke clears and things and lines are actually drawn... even if a fight, there is simply no way to predict what will happen
where the lines will fall where is safe, bets thing is to book and assess the situation, not make life choices in utter chaos
Thing is... all wars end, no one detained for long Japanese soldiers that came out of hiding 10 years later Jews live in Germany today and Germany
supplies Israel war good lol
Always hope for a good life if your alive