Stock Up, This is Not a Test, Ominous Signals

Alex Jones blatant Hoax and the Obama Speech strike me as ominous signals that this time we are not grasping at straws and that something genuinely is going to go down this fall. I think it prudent to mention some things that I see here as evidence we might be about to face some severely hard times.

1: Let's start with Alex Jones.

People have offered for sometime that Alex might actually be a dis info agent with various levels of proof of connections to organizations like the CIA.

The question I ask is WHY NOW? Would he choose to damage the entire Truth Seeking Establishment. Some are saying he simply lost his mind. But I have trouble with this theory, this week has seen not only this Hoax from him but one of the most ludicrous articles ever from his site regarding the threat of the Lesbian Rangers.

Alex, is a competent man, a great speaker, wonderful voice Intelligent, runs a professional business, makes money and actually is quite talented and amusing.

My theory

He was set to discredit our voices in a time before a genuine catastrophe of some sort was due to occur, that he really is a stooge and that this was done with Intent to focus the Msm and people from being willing to listen to anyone who might be close to the truth in the time before the next shoe finally drops on us.

I see no other answer looking at this as to why this man would make a mockery of the entire industry and all of us at a time when we are perhaps genuinely facing multiple threats in the form of economic collapse, war and this incredibly ominous swine flu hysteria.

I have to run with an assumption here and that is Alex Jones really does work for them and he was set to implode and discredit us all in the media at a crucial moment. The thing that concerns me most again Why Now?

2: Obama speaking to children across America

Obama mentions Vaccines as an important thing children can do, the entire speech was about tough times, working hard, he mentions washing your hands, working much harder health, medicine many times throughout the speech.

Again,I have to question timing and why the president feels the need to let Americas children know... things are going to be tough,single parent homes, waking up at 4:300 longer hrs... "washing your hands"

people have written this off as inspirational speech and it did have an inspirational tone,but coupled with the Medical constants and vaccine talk and hand washing I see nothing more than a warning and preparation

I make no attack on Obama, this is NOT political, the timing and the words strike me as funny, whatever the medical situation is, the RUSH to push through health care, warning out children, whatever the reason for this warning it must be very dire to feel the need to speak directly to our children about it.

Again Timing, Why Now?

3: Swine flu, which deserves to be addressed alone. This unprecedented vaccination program, the constant hype and worry, the current Pandemic level is ominous.

Most of us can not make much sense of this, the Flu in a modern day and age doesn't actually seem that frightening, death levels have been incredibly low the spread and movement while global is not even as bad as any other flu as of this time.

It feels sinister, like we are being prepared for a Bio Attack

This brings me to:

4: Iran, recent events regarding statements from Israel, this is to me the most likely source of some kind of Biological Attack within the United states, this is of course a guess on my part but the timing seems to line up and Iran would be the nation most likely capable of launching such an attack on this country they have a very advanced capacity for Bio Attack.

5: Merging situations aside from the above

Economic collapse, a strong pull away from the dollar Internationally, promises of Economic revelations that could topple us, moves all year and minor gestures within the States to pull away from the Federal govt, a general climate of rebellion among the people.

Now on ats, we can take talk of Revolution sometimes and discard it, it's a forum, people like to talk smack there IS a set of genuinely paranoid visitors.

But The last few days and I have written in other threads I saw 2 things that worried me, that were real life and also again Ominous.

A: My sons town, a town whose votes went to Obama CLOSED the Schools today to avoid the children hearing his speech

B: My town also a town whose vote went mostly to Obama, during a rally for health care (and these are poor people who could use it many of them) where last years hundreds came out in support when asked, this past week, maybe 30 showed up. I witnessed passing cars giving the Obama supporters the fingers, drinks thrown at them on the sidewalk by long haired liberals.

I think that the potential for genuine revolt if things gets bad is becoming a reality. And that we have merging Economic crisis from various levels, Employment, A run on the Dollar, Market Collapse perhaps... I am not an economist but as we all know this is what one would call a perfect Economic storm with SOMETHING about to happen as per #'s 1-4as well and coupled with a people fed up, disenfranchised and angry.

I have no other title for # 5 than, Merging Factors

6: Presidential Behavior

In a completely NON Partisan statement, I personally like Obama and this is an aside from the speech stuff in #2 I do not like his policies and disagree with socialism BUT I believe him to be a good man.

This is why I must ask us all to think about his actions. And it is here where some of the faux stuff that Alex pushed into play today also needs thinking about.

He didn't go after Bush

He Didn't end the Patriot act

He didn't stop the detentions

He didn't stop the war

He didn't stop the spying within America

Why?

What did the man find out after entering office that changed his outlook on potential threat to America in a complete 360 degrees...

I am sorry to say these words, I think He is a good man, which can lead to only ONE conclusion.

America is Indeed under threat of imminent attack of some kind or disaster, the previous administration was not just trying to scare us and their actions were in fact in defense of the American people and we potential are faced with a major crisis. Going back to the start I think Alex Jones draws attention with a hoax to these issues because they are so apparent the need exists to discredit them and keep things under control for now. reverse Psychology on the public if you will.

Summary:

I could not get into complete detail, every one of these points would require a thread to itself and that is what Ats as a whole is for.

I think that most of what we see, dates like 2012 are distractions and that we are building to a real a genuine crisis now, this year perhaps as soon as this fall, and that those making predictions for this fall perhaps are not off base or not off base by much.

I offer no dates, I offer no predictions

I also wish to be clear in statement that i don't think our government is out to get us, misguided perhaps in not offering the whole truth,methods of controlling the situation that cause more Fear and harm than good...guilty perhaps.

But I think regardless of debate..

If you can get out away from the city now, in tumbling economy you might not want to think of money and career and do it

I think, they know something and it's real and we can only guess until that time comes

That this is genuinely a good time, to stockpile any supplies we can

That we should have seeds and tools and canned food and be as out of the way of this as we can.

I offer no solution other than Save what you can and if a storm is coming a person should get under cover not be out in it.

There are myriad of threads to help here on ats and if you have never read the survival forum now might be a good time...

Simple things like, even if you don't own a tent and sleeping bags get them...

I don't advocate arming yourself for prepping for violence but i'd say it's a good time town a bow to acquire food if need be.

Vitamins and health will be crucial own extras.... something as simple as vitamin C is indispensable if you go 6months with little or no citrus

simple things, be prepared...

Many of us have read so many doomsday predictions we simply wait and ignore...

But now, I genuinely see ominous signals that something is coming and we should all have some extras, don't proceed with business as usual, do something now, do what you can.

IF God willing our government and people bypass this all and nothing comes to pass, then we are lucky and you have the ability to survive if something does.

There is no loss to your life in being prepared

I don't know if there's a catastrophe actually coming. It seems that the government is doing all this to keep us in a constant state of panic. A panicked population is an easily manipulated population. Maybe "they" are just trying to keep us all guessing and biting our nails. Good thread, though, S&F.


TA

Some of us have nowhere to go.

As for stockpiling that's all good and fine but with some of the recent legislation, your stockpiles can be confiscated by our government just because they think it will do better on their shelf than yours.

S&F for the acumen and preadmonishment, though.

Well read. I appreciate you efforts and you ability to put some words together for us.

I'm a firm believer that nothing happens without a reason and most times, I have no idea what the reason is.

If we had a chatter-meter on the American people right now, it would be pegged. We're not stupid. Not all of us anyway. We feel it coming.

The Alex Jones thing is not as much of a blow to his credibility as it is an effort to draw attention. You guys taught me early on to not give too much credence to what he spews. There is a reason that his 'story' was published in the manner it was.

I don't see the connection with ATS, other than CT and I don't think too many of us need to worry about a concrete association between what we feel and think and what ANY media outlet puts out.

I Do think that this was a blatant attempt at misdirection and discrediting any doom sayers.

There are too many things converging right now. If the S was ever going to HTF, it will be soon.

We cannot sustain this level of chaotic vibrations too much longer. We are in a high-speed wobble and the wheels are gettin' ready to fall off this wagon.

Very little doubt about that.

your eloquence and powers of observation are exceptional.

inflation must be added to your honest thread.

FOOD soon will become a weapon and your best defense.

Agreed on all points, stock up now, have some peace of mind.

" it is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it "

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Well stated, a star and a flag for you. Alex Jones imploding like a gigantic whimper is strange. There is something wicked in the gumbo....

There are lesbian rangers? I want to be one! Well, I'm bisexual, will they still take me?







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reply to post by TheAssociate


This is what I think all along too

and YES given the opportunity to employ those mechanisms some will take advantage of them.

None the less, for reasons I stated above and many others, regardless of cause opr what has come before there is obviousness in that THEY TOO are now genuinely scared.

We can talk forever if 9-11 was real or not, regardless of that, a chain of events in which we have invaded several nations, the world is wary of us, discussions have been held about how to contain America, nations are slowly pulling out on the dollar and the climate in various regions of the world particularly the middle east has been eroded.

Did we have enemies before 9-11

The answer to that s many in here think may be no.

But NOW is an entirely different story.

Now we most assuredly MUST have those who wish us harm and nothing can be done to change that fact.

Our government is gravely concerned about something, I am quite sure this isn't scare tactics.

reply to post by whitewave


Govt capacity to confiscate food is extremely scary, although I would say, many of our fears might not come to pass at least not for all in the chaos.

I mentioned having a tent, for the capacity to bug out entirely if need be and take your cans with you.

Having nowhere to go is a plight most of us face,

I can't believe I am actually saying this...

But I am concerned that for the first time ever, the option to go anywhere but a city even if it's into the trees might be necessary.

The whole thing reeks of bio hazard preparedness to me and in that event, the only place to be is faraway from anyone else.

well, I think he made an honest mistake and you are really disturbed

in his radio show he said it was an open letter

and really

anyone with a BRAIN would know that it would be impossible for some guy interview obama about 911, even an actor


really ... if you dont have a brain, or if you are the disinfo agent ... well ... I think you are not in a good position

No chance that all sides are hilariously ignorant to the truth is there? Everyone asserts that 9/11 was an inside job like its the infallible truth, and I'm not saying it is not, but no one, and maybe as many as a few might know the truth. I appreciate men like Alex Jones for searching for the truth, but I have never met the man so therefor I only give him as much trust as he earns. Everyone is acting like this thing was a major blow to the truth movement. 1) it is not over yet, by all means, barely started according to AJ. 2) MOST, a VAST majority of people are not aware of these happenings. If a very elaborate plan of control is indeed being forced upon us, and the media is indeed run by TPTB; why would you care, or think that they would aid in any way regardless?

I wish AJ luck in his quest, but you can't be positive this is a conspiracy by any means, and YES, I am up-to-date on research regarding most conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11.

reply to post by KSPigpen


You are correct, I am ever actually an Optimist, life lol has given me no choice but to be...

There is a reason, life is a cycle, things decay, need to be torn down and rebuilt and all systems fail.

I have posted on this ain threads, this a shift between systems, like agriculture to industry, but Industry to information age, people don't like to change.

I honestly don't know if TPTB are doing this on purpose to force change when these times come or if it is simply a cyclical unavoidable process...

I do know, if you survive and think fast, it eventually gets allot better.

A complete cleansing of the system, I have to say, I'd relish it, I just want to get through it and bring my friends along for the ride unharmed.

reply to post by huntergatherer


Inflation

YES

One of the biggest problems inherent in the current corporate system of supplying jobs is that they purposely keep raises bellow inflation as a man who has run business I know this for a fact. You Never pay an employee enough to recreate or create his own business, the easiest way to do this is to keep pay raises just slightly under inflation.

The only short sided problem with that is of course an inevitable impossibility for the population to sustain it's lifestyle and inevitable collapse

reply to post by VirginiaGreen


Quest? I find this insulting

Conspiracy? I find this insulting

the truth is the only thing that matters.

AJ and CS and many ,MANY ,others only want the truth, any way obtained , to justify the loss of innocent people here and abroad.

Let's stop bickering and seek the truth,and find it now.......eight years late

Rally time ATS.......what are we all about

reply to post by pluckynoonez


Alex Jones ... definitely there is intention with this he is literally acting like he's loosing his mind, this is of course possible if he believes everything he speaks of...

But I am a good judge of character and I think this is a smart shrewd man and this is Intent

Alex has always been a bit too extreme and this just sends me firmly into the camp of "he's a dis info agent of some sort"

Either way this is inexcusable of him...

But with all that is going on now and him being a pinnacle speaker on these topics it seems waaaaaaaaay to highly coincidental for him to simply shmeer and make a mockery of truth seekers every where.

Right Now?

No way, i'm not buying this...

and to alleviate the darkness of the thread... Lesbian Rangers

absolute proof imho that he is making no attempt what so ever to be taken seriously right now, this has to be deliberate

Don't get me wrong, as an ats member I will post an occasional comedic or just plain stupid thread, I have advocated that Cloverfield be brought in for the apocalypse and tried to organize a rebellion against the Greys lol

But not with my name and CAREER on the line.

Highly suspicious and I have to ask the question Why? Why right now?

It's just not ABOUT 9/11 anymore. The more we can be focused, quibbling about that, the less we see what's really going on. Divided we FALL.

reply to post by VirginiaGreen


By ratings Alex Jones is right at the top.

Can I know anything? No

It is just one sign that I see, Obamas speech is another and this is MY OPINION

It just really seems that the attempts to bring things under control are desperate... i smell fear in these moves, not the kind of fearwe are used to, the making US scared tactics...

But rather that THEY are now genuinely scared and the desperation of moves like these simply smells from where I sit...

I don't get scared when they try to scare me, never have...

BUT when they are scared and telling me NOT to be scared, that's when my alarm bells go off...

I agree with your post and have contacted a daughter, just tonight, to be prepared. I plan to contact the rest of my family.

There is too much chatter right now and if last year's chatter at this time is any indication, it will be correct, tho perhaps not in the way we may think.

It never hurts to be prepared, and if nothing comes down, what have you lost?

Have cash on hand as well, to last a month or more.

I plan to restock on necessities tomorrow.

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reply to post by KSPigpen


There have been ALLOT of threads echoing this sentiment lately...

That we all need to pull together right now, perhaps as humans we don't directly smell fear like a dog, but on some level we all sense it.

Like I said above this is different, it's not them trying to scare us, I pick up a real vibe that they are really scared now themselves.

They pushed things too far

Now they are in trouble

and so are we...

Like I said in initial post, we may not have had real enemies before 9-11 but we most assuredly do now. We can't quip about what was done almost a decade ago anymore, we have to now bring it together and deal with the fallout

reply to post by liveandlearn


The real question is though, will cash even be viable?

There are several issues here given the economic situation...

1: could we even survive economically any disaster, swine flu, terrorism, biological even another Katrina?

2: what would it take from the outside to cause this? A single biological attack would be taken as another 9-11 even if it wasn't our governments doing, If Obama was killed how would we react?

This is PRIME time for an enemy to strike

3: Our currency situation could force war at any time if China or almost anyone else major really bails on us we are economically at the mercy of at least several nations...

4: war could be forced upon us in the middle east, there are multiple powder keg situation we couldn't contain if this happened in the world

One thing is real

it's all very precarious right now

reply to post by mopusvindictus

Our government is gravely concerned about something, I am quite sure this isn't scare tactics.

It could very well be that I'm just jaded and my cynicism is clouding my better judgment. Seems like my entire life the government has dedicated itself to attempting to scare me into buying it's doctrines and agendas and I'm the first to admit that I'm pretty desensitized at this point.

Maybe desensitization is the point of all the scare tactics. Maybe they want to scare us into ignoring the cry of "wolf", so when it finally is real, we'll be ill prepared. But that's another topic for another thread.

In the mean time, I agree it is better to be prepared.


TA