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Alex Jones Has Finally Lost It--His Credibility And Damaged Ours

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posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by ugie1028
I get the fact that the interview was a lie, but the information he handed the president (you know, the evidence he would present to him if it was a real interview) should be looked at, and nothing more. this was just a ploy to get this information out.

great job AJ.

go ahead, keep bashing him, you guys wanted something to bash him for, and here it is.

But dont forget the evidence both of them have gathered and have been backed by other sources... not the interview, just the facts in the fake interview.


Yeah, I wouldn't deem it a hoax or a lie so much as obvious theater, to get the word out. Oh, yeah, and parody.

Who would really think that Obama would start to sit down with Charlie Sheen on the subject, let alone continue to hold still for it? It seems to me well past nudge-nudge, wink-wink on the Boggle-O-Meter ...the more you claim to be outraged and duped, the less-critically-thinking (i.e. more of a dupe in general) you have to portray yourself, in order for us to truly feel your victimization in this crisis.

And Alex Jones cannot discredit fellow-travelers by his actions...no one can make me look bad but me...guilt-by-association is either spurious or unnecessary (if I am really guilty no need to drag in other irrelevant persons outside of my control, same goes if I'm not guilty, others are beside the point) and only ever used by persons who want a shortcut conclusion that does not involve unearthing the actual logic of the argument.

This whole thing to me is like Alex is dressed up as Santa Claus, and then everyone is shocked hurt and deploring like they caught him in a lie when it turns out he does not actually dwell at the North Pole...




posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:40 PM
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Again, have to agree. The real issue is spreading the truth about the inside job of 9/11. For people who already have an agenda against AJ, the spin will be that it was intentional and how terrible AJ is.... What nonsense. In addition to being a major distraction, it also simply reflects the bias of those who are so critical.

Whenever the actual message is obfuscated by distraction ... the point of the distraction becomes topic.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:41 PM
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2.

don't need to add..more



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:43 PM
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Dear Alex Jones,

Hey Alex, don't worry about it buddy, we know deep down you're just desperate to make something happen with 9/11 Truth on the, what the eighth anniversary now? of that "day of infamy", and event that very clearly, based on all the evidence, amounts to nothing less than the mass murder of American citizens to justify an unjust war, and we understand that.

Even if you do suffer from infantile, narcissistic, magalomaniacal grandiosity, and are some sort of court jester on the PTB's stage of global hegemonic domination, we still love you, and applaud in general terms what you are trying to do, going to any lengths, even at the expense of the credulity of your own listeners, to raise the truth to the highest awareness ever on this anniversary of September 11th, 2001. And that you have self interest too, is a given.

So can we really blame you for this risky bid to bust out with a new story.

It does have an interesting spin on it, I must say, the 20 minutes with the President and Charlie Sheen, a letter calling for just that in effect, while ruminating over it as a possibility at some point, since hey anything's possible, while at the same time, posing the right questions and pointing out the evidence.

And it IS by Charlie Sheen, our recognized Celebrity Truther, so it's not so bad, in the final analysis.

So in closing I myself forgive you, and I ask others to do the same. It is an info war after all, but you certainly can't pull anything like this again. It's certainly a one time deal only.

So buddy, keep up the good work! Love ya.

Love and Light,

OmegaPoint



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:45 PM
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sometimes i dont understand things

people want 9/11 developments

they want the msm to cover the situation

alex jones and charlie sheen work together to try to find a way to get publicity to the situation

and everyone says that makes him lose credibility



i honestly think there are seriously mentally disturbed people around here

i mean some of the things people were expecting were just ridiculous


charlie sheen is one of the highest paid actors on tv

lately the media has been over reporting everything and anything to do with a celebrity

but it seems the msm has ignored this situation

that right there gives credibility in my opinion

i mean if there wasnt some huge conspiracy then the news would be all over this


people say the president will never sit and meet with charlie sheen

well the who the hell will he meet with then if he wont meet with one of if not the highest paid actor on tv


people expect too much, thats the only way he lost credibility with these people

plus hes a talk show host, of course hes going to do things the way he is, if you expect anything else then the only person leading anyone on is yourself, leading yourself on


in my opinion i think what aj and cs did was something more people should do, and less people should criticize these people for doing it, they are doing a hell of a whole lot more then 99 percent of the people in the world are doing for the situation

any publicity is good publicity, anyone who believes in getting a new investigation will never change their mind, and any publicity good or bad is worth it if it makes even one more person think



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
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despite both being art.


im sorry but h g wells based his story on fiction.. 3000 people dead is not fiction and trying to say its art is wrong

we are talking about a real event not a placebo...


Again, why is it hard for people to understand what I'm getting at. Please note Jone's stated that the piece was written to get MSM attention.

It's a broadcasting tactic, that was once used by the War of the World Broadcasters.

Sheen and Jones are requesting a new investigation of 9/11 (a real event). Sheen is requesting an interview with the President in regards to these real events.

I am not comparing aliens with 9/11. I am comparing the broadcasts, the presentation of literary works. With listeners believing both, despite disclaimers. I'm discussing the tactic, not the content.


Again, Jone's used the same tactic used in the initial War of the Worlds broadcast. He used it to gain MSM attention. That's my point. The fact that one is in regards to a Halloween invasion tale, and one is in regards to the worst Domestic terrorist attack on our nation's soil, is irrelevant.

It's the tactic of getting the listener to believe when a disclaimer is presented. It's the tactic that was used to get MSM attention. To get people talking. The presenting of what can be perceived as factual, despite disclaimer. That's all.

The tactic.

And it worked. It created live discussion, in regards to Jones, and 9/11 and Obama's inability to investigate.

If someone else (ie Fox News, or an investigative reporter ) had to point this story out as a Hoax, then Jone's credibility would be broken. They posted the disclaimer, within a reasonable time frame (granted I was pissed when I found out A) the story wasn't as big as I hoped, b) Sheen's interview was fiction.)

But as another posted in another thread. This is Chess. They are possibly risking their lives/ careers, and should be applauded.



[edit on 8-9-2009 by squidboy]



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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What is also discusting is that Alex turned off the ability of readers to post replys to articles when he started to get negative feedback and used the excuse of lack of broadband space...ha ha I just checked, you still cannot post replys to articles on the site. This is just another example of an egotistical control freak bafoon.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by romanmel
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What is also discusting is that Alex turned off the ability of readers to post replys to articles when he started to get negative feedback and used the excuse of lack of broadband space...ha ha I just checked, you still cannot post replys to articles on the site. This is just another example of an egotistical control freak bafoon.



Dont forget that all of the negative comments were deleted, and only the positive ones were left up. Isnt that what communistic countries do? Only show the good, and get rid the bad from the public eye.

Either way, its a #ty tactic to prove a point.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:51 PM
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No.

I'm sorry, but what's even more sad, is him pulling a stunt like making an appearance on a History Channel documentary, "9/11 Conspiracies : Fact or Fiction" where conclusively, at the end of the segment, it states that all conspiracy theorists are crack-pots that are emotionally attatched to the causes they fight for (not only the 9/11 conspiracy) and think that THEY know the truth, THEY are the enlightened ones... Both the channel AND the segment both were put out DELIBERATELY to propagate the idea that anyone who believes in a conspiracy is obvioulsy a loonie and crazy and shouldn't be given the respect of being heard out by anyone..


This, is NOT the case. I am not emotionally attatched to the attacks on the World Trade Centers and neither do I know "know all the answers". I just know that what we've been told is NOT the truth, and it's out there, somewhere. Any logically thinking human being can realize this. And it's sickening, for anyone who can come to this conclusion. It has nothing to do with emotional attatchment. It's about right and wrong. And when the official story is a farce, that gives EVERY American the right to QUESTION it.


SHAME ON YOU, ALEX JONES. I'm appauled.

[edit on 8-9-2009 by undefy.gravity]



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by Lightmare
 


What is also discusting is that Alex turned off the ability of readers to post replys to articles when he started to get negative feedback and used the excuse of lack of broadband space...ha ha I just checked, you still cannot post replys to articles on the site. This is just another example of an egotistical control freak bafoon.


Moderators do the same here, when a bunch of nonsensical posts are posted. Esp. when they A) slow down the site B) include hate messages c) include messages of threat against (people).

It's called Moderation.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:53 PM
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P.S. You've GOT to get A.J. Hammer of Showbiz Tonight, to run with another story another Charlie Sheen 9/11 Truther story with this letter of Charlies, and post it on their website, while having a poll for or against a 9/11 cover-up by the Bush Whitehouse.

If you can pull THAT off with this, then you're back in the game in my books.

So what the hell, GO ALEX - let Charlie Sheen and Alex Jones raise this issue and put it back in the media spotlight.

It may represent a smart move in the final analysis, and the context is also interesting, and makes for an interesting read.

Sheen has really put himself out there again for 9/11 truth in this.

And I applaud that as well, even if Sheen too have his own character defects, that makes no difference.

I'd like to see AJ Hammer and others, put Sheen to the test and grill him, he'd perform very well imo.

This COULD still be very BIG, but get your own ego out of the way Alex and be careful how you sensationalize these things as it can backfire, but this ball is now up in the air imo, and it could roll around, as it's STILL a story - Sheen's Letter case in the context of an interview he would very much like to be able to conduct some day if possible.

It's an interesting literary device.

You just shouldn't have duped your followers on it, posing it as if it was real, but I think we can or SHOULD let that go now, for the sake of the truth, for this upcoming anniversary of 9/11, with the images of crumbling towers and people running for their lives..



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by Doorman

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by Lightmare
 


What is also discusting is that Alex turned off the ability of readers to post replys to articles when he started to get negative feedback and used the excuse of lack of broadband space...ha ha I just checked, you still cannot post replys to articles on the site. This is just another example of an egotistical control freak bafoon.



Dont forget that all of the negative comments were deleted, and only the positive ones were left up. Isnt that what communistic countries do? Only show the good, and get rid the bad from the public eye.

Either way, its a #ty tactic to prove a point.


So right. But according to some Jonesites here we are to ignore these control tactics 'cause 'ol Alex is just trying to "get the message out." Well, I got the message loud and clear. "The truth be damned."

[edit on 8-9-2009 by romanmel]



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:59 PM
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After reading the first dozen or so posts in this thread I am beginning to to get an idea why this movement is going along so slowly. I am sad to say this is highly typical. It's highly typical of the side that always loses. It loses not because their cause is unjust or unrighteous, but because it has none of the cohesion the other side has, even when it's not even trying. You are too suspicious, if that makes any sense. Almost competitively. And in the end you will fail. Not because Alex Jones decided to be spontaneous, but because so many of you folded like a house of cards at smallest deviation from what you had in mind was the track. A knee jerk reaction I can guarantee the other side does not have, and will not derail their efforts in light of. That sets them apart from you so fundamentally I cannot even begin to explain. Instead of being like a high functioning autistic in the science field that shuts down his/her lab because he/she can't understand a humorous anecdote displayed in his/her lab assistant's workstation, this very effective stunt would be just par for the course to those opposed to you. I hope I have made this point abundantly clear. And I also hope you don't spend too much time eloquently rebutting me. Because that is yet another thing that the other side tends to avoid doing. They. I would hope you'd spend that time and energy actually going out and doing something constructive. Even perhaps cohesive.

As for the stunt itself I think it's classic and quite playful. The mainstream take material on infowars.com out of context even when its straight. I don't see big deal in having a little fun with them. A sense of humor is a good thing to differentiate yourself from humorless fanatics which is an easy characterization of the truth movement. Who can laugh is usually the one with the psychological advantage. Being able to laugh at yourself is a sign of confidence. That so many haven't gotten joke is not inspiring. There are a certain number of trolls, but there are a percentage of you that are way too hot under the collar and are blowing this way out of proportion. Thus you present yourselves as easy targets for the enemies of truth. The "hit" to Jones' credibility is insignificant compared to the lack of cohesion and breaking of ranks. By losing your minds you show the opposition just how disorganized you are and just how easy it is to shake you from your foundation. Observing this example for instance it doesn't look that hard. In other words your extreme reactions are just as harmful to the truth movement as any stunt. Perhaps more. What all this shows me, as well as many others, is that a good segment of the truth movement just isn't ready to win. And you won't. The trolls will always be right until you commit to changing your attitude. You lose because you lack the understanding of maintaining and growing a movement that your opposition doesn't. And they will continue to win until you do. You want Jones to be perfect and make the optimal decision every time. Not going to happen. The opposition is a cadre of keystone cops yet they continue rack up wins. How is this? Maybe it's because they stick together no matter what. Even if they are all full of crap. For their effort they have a better picture of what their priorities are. It makes a big enough difference to keep them just out of reach. Consistently.

Trolls, you have the con.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:03 PM
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Very good post and unfortunately accurate. The truth movement is very competitive and AJ atm is on top and in general he is held to a higher standard than anyone else many also love to see others fail. Its human nature i guess.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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this thread seems to be going in circles arguing the same points over and over. i think if anything was accomplished with this stunt it was to draw attention away from something else that might have gone down today can we disperse and try to find that subject out instead of trying to beat this dead horse. its quite clear to me people will believe what they want. that applies to everybody lets just agree to disagree and move on.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:12 PM
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well said

star



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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so based on your model we should just go along with the status quo? i think you forget that differentiates US from THEM as you so eloquently put it is that we DONT follow the status quo. and we do demand perfection from the truth. and not even that we just hold the seeker of truth to the very ideas he claims to be fighting for. hypocrisy is not what we need we have TPTB for that. also nice to see you joined up yesterday very convenient.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:16 PM
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Again, why is it hard for people to understand what I'm getting at. Please note Jone's stated that the piece was written to get MSM attention.


at the expense of others by making a bogus story..

can you not see that?

a lie does not justify any outcome EVER ...



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:18 PM
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Just wanted to thank you for that GREAT post shirakiku and to let you know how much I appreciated it.


Have a great night!



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
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Again, why is it hard for people to understand what I'm getting at. Please note Jone's stated that the piece was written to get MSM attention.


at the expense of others by making a bogus story..

can you not see that?

a lie does not justify any outcome EVER ...


I brought this up in a different "i dont have enough flags so I'll make an AJ thread" thread earlier, albeit sarcastic:


I'll tell you the liars that are really scum. The people that LIED to the SS and said there were no Jews in their house thereby saving their lives. Those scum should be hung right next to Alex Jones.


You think it would be better to give them up and let them be murdered?
What about pearl harbor? that is a known false flag operation and it stopped hitler. would that scenario have been better left alone for Europe to deal with?



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