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If Universal Health Care is soooo bad, then why are we paying for such in Afghanistan and Iraq???

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posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Nice to know you guys are providing the same level of service to the Iraqis and Afghanis as well.

Difference is, we owe it to the Iraqis and Afghans for destroying their national infrastructures. Reconstruction is one of the perks of getting hammered by the U.S. War Machine. It's standard policy and has been for many decades.


Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Oh, and if you are going to compare populations as to whether or not UHC is feasible...unless you factor in the GDP your argument is bogus.


Gross Domestic Product doesn't enter into it. I already know that nationalized healthcare is not feasible for a very large population — it just barely accommodates you hosers with your tiny little population of 33 million, and the Canadians who can afford it are still coming to the USA for the real deal in healthcare.

— Doc Velocity




posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 08:49 AM
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No only that but with the trillions of dollars on bailout for the rich and wealthy we could afford to pay for each and every American to have private insurance



Let's face it, the government have plenty of money to throw away for everything else but the people in the nation.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
I already know that nationalized healthcare is not feasible for a very large population — it just barely accommodates you hosers with your tiny little population of 33 million, and the Canadians who can afford it are still coming to the USA for the real deal in healthcare.— Doc Velocity


Sure thing. One nice thing about this national debate of yours is that Big Heath is so busy trying to maintain its suction on the collective neck of the American people, it's leaving us alone for a while.

Drink whatever Koolaid you like...but follow all the health care threads, and you find Americans showing Canadians proof that they don't like their own system...and virtually every response from us states that while it ain't perfect, we wouldn't trade it for anything else going.

Tiny population? What your theory speaks to is your own incompetence, not our size...you have a larger tax base in proportion with your population and commerce. Y'all could do it if you valued the health of your brothers and sisters the same as we do here.

And cherry-picking internet sources for bobblehead data doesn't trump talking to those using the system.

Cure cancer for $32 out of pocket. I think Americans deserve that.



[edit on 8-9-2009 by JohnnyCanuck]



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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If we valued the health and lives of our brothers and sisters, we wouldn't be deliberately aborting 1.4 million unborn people every year for the last 35 years or so, as a matter of personal convenience. Yeah. They want to cover abortion under this vaporous "universal healthcare plan"... If that tells you anything about valuing human life and health.

Ah, but that's another topic for another thread.

— Doc Velocity



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
If we valued the health and lives of our brothers and sisters, we wouldn't be deliberately aborting 1.4 million unborn people every year for the last 35 years or so, as a matter of personal convenience. Yeah. They want to cover abortion under this vaporous "universal healthcare plan"... If that tells you anything about valuing human life and health. Ah, but that's another topic for another thread.— Doc Velocity


Abortion is indeed, another topic and another thread, and shouldn't be used to define the character of a Universal Health Care system.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 09:35 AM
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Don't worry, illegal immigrants birth rates cover more than enough for those that are aborted in the US




posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
That's how infant mortality is calculated. XX infant deaths per 1000 live births. There are variables such as male or female, of course, but that's the base calculation.


This just shows that you completely missed my point. Infant mortality rate is calculated per 1000 births, so what the blue hell does the size of the general population have to do with it? You seem to be saying that the larger the population, the greater the infant mortality rate due to the size of the population, which is crap. It instead reflects the health care of the population, regardless of size.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 10:26 AM
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Look we are force to pay for the war



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:14 AM
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Well I guess if it is true that we are paying for universal healthcare for the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan, then the only reasonable explanation would be that our country is ran by a bunch of dumbasses and we are a bunch of dumbasses for voting for them. It wont make us any less of a bunch of dumbasses to expand it to the entire US population. Maybe we will get smart and quit paying for their healthcare too.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by HotDogNoBun
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Well I guess if it is true that we are paying for universal healthcare for the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan, then the only reasonable explanation would be that our country is ran by a bunch of dumbasses and we are a bunch of dumbasses for voting for them. It wont make us any less of a bunch of dumbasses to expand it to the entire US population. Maybe we will get smart and quit paying for their healthcare too.



When Your Insurer Says You're No Longer Covered
In the past 18 months, California's five largest insurers paid almost $19 million in fines for marooning policyholders who had fallen ill. That includes a $1 million fine against Health Net, which admitted offering bonuses to employees for finding reasons to cancel policies, according to company documents released in court. www.washingtonpost.com...


...and my cancer cured for $32 out of pocket.
Who's the dumbass?



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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We do not care if they have a capitalistic system or not. What the heck does that mean anyways? Why is having a capitalistic health care system in Iraq relevant to the citizens of the US providing their health care?

Bring the troops home. We are not responsible for providing an oil pipeline for the oil companies. This will finance our own health care. Let the oil companies hire Blackwater and pay for it themselves. We taxpayers have healthcare for Americans to fund.

Forget about Afghanistan and Iraq and illegal aliens. Take care of Americans first.



[edit on 9-8-2009 by groingrinder]



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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A star for you. Way to go man!



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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You can fix the issue of patients getting marooned without paying for healthcare for everyone.

Your response totally defines the problem with universal healthcare. You think your cancer was cured for 32 dollars, because that is all it cost YOU! Your government (fellow tax payers) paid out a hell of a lot more than that. You didnt care about the cost, because you werent paying for it. That is why we need a system where people share in a greater percent of their health care expense, so they make good spending choices.

[edit on 8-9-2009 by HotDogNoBun]



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 12:16 PM
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If everyone in the United States who had the money to pay for health insurance could get health insurance I might be willing to stand up at a town hall, but they don't.

Try having had a lump in your breast at one point and then buying insurance. Twelve years later you will get it.

Try having had a back injury in the last five years.

Try having had diabetes.

Pre-existing conditions are a bitch.

If everyone in the United States who has health care could have any surgery they needed and it was covered at least 80% under their plan then I might be willing to stand up at a town hall, but they don't.

If health care in the United States wasn't rationed under their current insurance, then maybe I would be willing to stand up and complain about rationed health care, but it is.

If abortions were not covered under existing private health insurance then I would be willing to stand up at a town hall meeting and protest, but they are.

If this health care reform were the only form of "socialism" in the United States then I might stand up and decry socialism, but it isn't. We've provided corporate welfare for years and no one yelled "socialism" because the lobbyists who pay for commercials on Fox, MSNBC, and CNN and buy out our representatives say it's not. If we would rally and cry against a tax system where the rich pay as much as the middle class then I would gladly shove at this single prospect of socialization--because then I'd have enough money in my pocket each year to have my choice of health care providers instead of the provider my company offers me. $1500 is just a bit too steep to go it alone.

I'm sorry, I file this whole debate under: "Partisan Ploy".



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by HotDogNoBun
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You can fix the issue of patients getting marooned without paying for healthcare for everyone.

Your response totally defines the problem with universal healthcare. You think your cancer was cured for 32 dollars, because that is all it cost YOU! Your government (fellow tax payers) paid out a hell of a lot more than that. You didnt care about the cost, because you werent paying for it. That is why we need a system where people share in a greater percent of their health care expense, so they make good spending choices.


We do pay for it. All of us. I've paid taxes all my working life. We do it willingly because we take care of our own. Universal health care is, to us, a human right and a sacred trust.

Our spending choice is that if you get sick, you go to a doctor. It ain't perfect, but the vast majority of Canadians will tell you they like it just fine.

And as to the taxes...our standard of living is at least as good as yours.

So where's that problem you were referencing?



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