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# Derren Brown to predict lottery results on live TV. How?

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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 06:20 PM
The far left ball seems to "pop" at one point. This would be a very disapointing end to one of his tricks. I much prefer his seight of hand tricks.

The only two ways i thought of, were still video footage of the left hand side...

HOWEVER... why would he have another show where he explains this... surely that would be rubbish coming out and saying ..."nah i just cgi'd half of the video".

He admits he has no special powers... but i for one think he is amazing at what he does and thinks that these are too simple of an answer.

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 03:06 PM
Can someone watching his solution post as soon as they find out? I'm not near a tv.

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 03:14 PM

I'm watching it now, so I will try and post his given solution, as long as I can understand it!

He just hinted at something like "the wisdom of the crowd", or something, but who knows what he meant...

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 03:34 PM
He seems to be saying you can find "predictability in randomness" via deep maths.

Deep stuff.

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 03:36 PM

Originally posted by harpsounds

I'm watching it now, so I will try and post his given solution, as long as I can understand it!

He just hinted at something like "the wisdom of the crowd", or something, but who knows what he meant...

Well, it turns out he was hinting at "wisdom of the crowd"! First time I've ever pre-empted Derren correctly! /me eats a cookie

He just talked about the experiment of guessing the weight of the cow, and how if you average a crowds guesses it will be very close or exact to the real result.

He's just been doing a few prediction type stunts so far, and tying it loosely into mathematics.

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 03:44 PM
The other events look just as interesting, if true, me no trust Wikipedia

Event 2: How To Control The Nation On Friday 18th September, the second event will be broadcast.

The Guardian published details of the second events.

According to The Guardian, Brown will attempt to use subliminal advertising to attempt to "control the nation" by forcing an inability to get up and walk away from the show. "Next week [Brown is] going to induce an inability among viewers to move from the sofa by the use of subliminal messaging."

Event 3: How To Be A Psychic Spy

Event 4: How To Take Down A Casino

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 03:54 PM
So far he's explained that he got a group of 24 people together a few weeks ago, they all looked at the last year's worth of lottery numbers, each of them made a guess what the next set of numbers would be, then they added together all their guesses for each of the balls & divided by 24 to get the average prediction... they kept doing this each week, for each lottery draw, each time guessing correctly more & more correct numbers on each draw as they got more & more 'tuned in'...

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 04:00 PM
And of course the real solution will have had nothing to do with random guesses. Has he explained it yet?

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 04:02 PM

Random guesses.....OR HE FIXED THE MACHINE.

"It was just a trick."

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 04:03 PM
...at the end he explained how he could have fixed the machine by getting an insider, switching the real lottery balls for weighted balls before the live draw, then switching them back again after the show...but he says clearly he didn't do it like that as it would be cheating....etc...

So basically he's playing with us, he's explained to us one way how he did it (with 24 people) but then hinted at another way... so has he told us the truth or not?

I still feel like I don't actually know how he did it...?

TBH fixing the machine seems more realistic... can't see how that would be legal though....?

[edit on 11/9/2009 by moobaawoof]

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 04:06 PM

Originally posted by moobaawoof
I still feel like I don't actually know how he did it...?

Me too, I think he just blew smoke up all our asses! I'm not convinced "wisdom of the crowd" can work for such a thing where it's random like this, and I don't believe the inside job theory either.

Maybe we should get together 24 ATS'ers, and clean up on the lottery next time... but then probably about 1000 syndicates will form this week to try it out, and we'll all just have to share a tenner!

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 04:28 PM
It's a bit like a conspiracy, he's given us a few far fetched possibilities of how he did it but we're all left still doubting him and not really knowing the truth.

Maybe he's trying to wake up the masses into not just naively believing what possiblities are put forward and to question things ourselves.

At the beginning he was making a point that fear makes people suggestable.

[edit on 11-9-2009 by mc1km]

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 05:06 PM
Event 2: How To Control The Nation

Those who are highly suggestible will get stuck to the couch, those who aren't won't, and the rest of the people will be too lazy to get up and think it's worked

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 05:16 PM
Event 2: How To Control The Nation On Friday 18th September

this one worries me, it sounds like he's actullay gonna show a vid that'll keep you from standing up out of your chair, to the who ever watches. i'm not sure if watching is such a good idea, it shows how easly we can be manipulated.

then theres the tittle, the first one 'how to win the lottery' could apply to anyone but 'how to control the nation'. well not everyone can apply to this only someone with power.

my suspicions on derren brown grow

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 06:10 PM
Please understand that when DB is explaining how he has done something he isn't being honest... he's still in character, you can't trust his explanaitions. This is not a bad thing this is why he is so good.

But seriously 24 people? Guessing numbers? Lots of maths involved? Meh

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 06:28 PM
Personally, I find Derren Brown very fascinating and enjoy his ability to manipulate people.

What I love most about him is he's "honest" in his "deceptions" - meaning, he isn't pretending to be psychic like that John Edwards rubbish. He openly admits he uses trickery, illusion, slight of hand and human pattern manipulation to get what he wants. And fair play - he's effing good at at!

But in this latest trick - I'm leaning more towards the option 3 -- he fixed the machine.

I would *love* to believe that through an unsconscious level, the participants were able to choose the lottery numbers. It would be fantastic and inspiring to know that perhaps there's some level of clairvoyance we all share, etc.

And he did negatively reinforce a positive attutide to the fixing of the machines, as in, trying to get you to "believe" he did it, but not really... but really.

Howver, I'd be surprised is the National Lottery would a) be in on it (if they were) or b) not take up serious inquiries into it if there was a shred of proof to him fixing the machines as it raises all sorts of real legal issues.

Either way, I was impressed with it. Would love to have the same level of knoweldge of human pattern recognition and prediction he has.

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 06:34 PM
I'm watching the repeat now.

He's using one of his best tricks.... talking quickly, filling our heads with information, so we get confused and trust in his knowledge. Yeah he's great and great at manipulating but he doesn't manipulate people in th eway most viewers perceive he does.

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 06:49 PM
I watched it tonight and thought it was quite intresting as I do with most of his stuff.

But I find it totally impossible that you can predict 6 numbers from 1 - 49. Totally impossible in my eyes. Regardless of what maths or statistics you use!

Personally I think his 3rd option seemed more likely. This was good publicity for both DB and the lottery. Especially in such current times, people are hoping for a win on the lottery now more than ever! So I can imagine a lot of people were watching!

Also why didnt he go and stick a pound on it if he was so sure?! And then even give the money to charity or something. But there was not 1 winner with the full 6 numbers on Wednesday.

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 06:54 PM

He was banned from buying a ticket.

Option number 3 has to be the only correct one surely?

This stunt would certainly have boosted lottery sales prior to 'the event' and im sure it will increase even more so now.

Could the people at Camelot and the BBC have turned a blind eye?

Im still baffled.

posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 06:57 PM

So did DB do it? was he correct?

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