posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 03:56 PM
Nothing in the OP is news to me. I know and agree with most of the points made there. But it's still a bit difficult for me to respond to.
Seagull, it seems to me that based on the knowledge in the OP, you have chosen a position to take. A position that states that this presidency is the
same as the last and that people who have political opinions and are involved in discussions about political issues, fit into one or the other groups
that you’ve listed. Additionally, it seems to me that you advocate NOT fitting into these groups. Or at least not talking about it…
And I wonder… if having and expressing an opinion on a woman’s choice puts me into one of these strict groups and makes me a puppet in your eyes,
what would you have us do? Give up all opinions? Stop discussing them?
Your A -vs- B illustration seems to assume that if someone is "A" then they can't be "B" and that these paradigm positions are hard and fast and
never the twain shall meet. From my viewpoint, you are as guilty of dividing the people into these solid positions as the people themselves who are
choosing these positions.
People have different opinions on things (like abortion). That doesn't make them stupid, ignorant or puppets. Neither does having the gall to have
hope for the future by thinking that this new president may just make some changes for the better.
I am conservative AND liberal. I am pro-choice AND pro-life. I am pro-religion and anti-religion. It all depends on the specifics. I have very strong
opinions about the details of these issues. You can’t honestly think that anyone who supports one position or another is a puppet or doll? I
don’t know about you, but for me, it’s entirely possible to hold strong positions on abortion or gun control or the president without being a
puppet. Being a Republican doesn’t make one a puppet. What makes one a puppet is a blind allegiance to an ideal or a person. And there are
certainly some of those on this board, but your post seems to me to be speaking to the majority.
What am I misunderstanding here? What am I missing?
To be very frank, I'm tired of being told that unless I distrust all government and give up all hope, that I am a puppet. I’m tired of hearing that
because I am not willing to judge a 7-month-old presidency as worthless, that means that I’m a sheeple. That I’m part of the problem. That unless
I think of Obama as the same as Bush, I am a puppet.
Like I said, I agree that the divisiveness is NOT serving us. But why wouldn’t some people go from castigating Bush to defending Obama if
they see a great deal of difference in the two? Your position is that there’s no difference. I strongly disagree. Of course we can point out the
similarities. As I said in Ashley’s thread, I can show you similarities between Strom Thurmond and Martin Luther King. That does not mean that,
given the opportunity, the outcome of their presidencies would be the same or that they have the same heart or intent… or that we should judge them
as the same.
We can discuss these issues without the polarization and divisiveness. In fact, I believe that should be our goal. To learn, not to teach.
[edit on 7-9-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]