Rumsfeld and the 2.3 trillon, page 1

I am often accused of jumping into threads to wreck mayhem, so I decided to start one of my own.

On 9/10/2001 Donald Rumsfeld made a speech in which he stated....

We cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions.

This pops up on ATS every other day, as part of a post suggesting some sort of heist was pulled off and then the proof of the crime was destroyed the next day. One problem. He wasnt speaking about 2.3 trillon missing from the DoD piggy back. Here is the portion of his speech containing the above quote.....

The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible.

Okay, doesnt sound quite as sinister when its in the full context....but.....

Here is the paragraph after....

We maintain 20 to 25 percent more base infrastructure than we need to support our forces, at an annual waste to taxpayers of some $3 billion to $4 billion. Fully half of our resources go to infrastructure and overhead, and in addition to draining resources from warfighting, these costly and outdated systems, procedures and programs stifle innovation as well. A new idea must often survive the gauntlet of some 17 levels of bureaucracy to make it from a line officer's to my desk

He isnt speaking of missing money, he isnt speaking of a crime. He is addressing the age old Pentagon problem of waste and inefficientcy. For those of you still not sure here is the full text of his speech..

www.defenselink.mil...

(Its titled :"DOD Acquisition and Logistics Excellence Week Kickoff—Bureaucracy to Battlefield ")

Hmmm, a speech addressing the need to modernize and streamline the way the Pentagon needs to conduct business. What a sinister idea...

Now, the other part is, he made the speech the day before the attack. Many in the truth movement think that his speech was the first time the issue was public. Not quite....

Pentagon's finances in disarray

By JOHN M. DONNELLY The Associated Press 03/03/00 5:44 PM Eastern

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The military's money managers last year made almost $7 trillion in adjustments to their financial ledgers in an attempt to make them add up, the Pentagon's inspector general said in a report released Friday.

The Pentagon could not show receipts for $2.3 trillion of those changes, and half a trillion dollars of it was just corrections of mistakes made in earlier adjustments.

hv.greenspun.com...

Then there is this...

There's still huge accounting problems in the Pentagon. They don't even know how much money they have or are spending. The inspector general of the Pentagon said there are 2.3 trillion dollars in items that they can't quite account for.

February 12, 2001
www.pbs.org...

Well there is the AP and PBS with the story long prior to September 11,2001. Finally there is this....

January 11, 2001
Transcript of the Nomination Hearing for Secretary of Defense...

Senator Byrd: That audit report found that out of $7.6 trillion in department-level accounting interest, 2.3 trillion in entries either did not contain adequate documentation or were improperly reconciled or were made to force buyer and seller data to agree

frwebgate.access.gpo.gov...:75903.pdf

So, the issue was even addressed in Rumsfeld's nomination hearing. In other words..

1. It wasnt a secret
2. It wasnt 2.3 trillon in cash
3. It wasnt a crime
4. It was a symbol of the problem that the Pentagon has had for over forty years and one that Rumsfeld was determined to try to fix.

Now, can we lay the 2.3 trillion story in regards to 9/11 to rest????

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

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Me thinks the explanations given are very naive. How can the pentagon not account for 7 trillion in one instance and 2.3 trillion in another instance? Sure there may be beurocracy problems to deal with but losing trillions is just too far fetched.

Besides how can someone explain that a plane just happened to crash on the pentagon wing that was allegedly housing these important documents the day after mr. rumsfeld spoke? Too big of a coincidence if you ask me.

reply to post by radio_for_peace

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Someone else who didnt bother to read the links. I understand why you fear the truth about the issue. But do yourself a favor, read the links and maybe you will see the light and understand the 2.3 trillion was never the issue you thought it was.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

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Thanks for sharing this.... I suspected that even this small claim by the truthers was incorrect. Not that there is any merit elsewhere in their theories either.

Now I can see exactly what Rumsfeld meant.

There will always be those who believe in their loosely bound false theories.

[edit on 7-9-2009 by john124]

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

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I don't fear the truth, nor do I fear being wrong. Your article is simply naive. The pentagon receives a huge budget from congress and sponsors massive black box projects. If the pentagon were to say they spent money on such and such, guess what. The black box projects wouldn't be so secret anymore, so what's the convenient thing to say? They lost it.

You sound very young and naive to me, with hardly any world experience. Do yourself a favor and go outside once in a while. Get a few scrapes and bruises, and stop thinking you can read about the world. And no, it's not an ad homenim attack. It's an addressing of a fundamental flaw of your world view, lack of experience, low emotional intelligence, and a need to rebel, so like you told me, don't be afraid of the truth.

reply to post by radio_for_peace

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The entire US budget for 2001 was approx. 1.8 trillion. You seem to think that the entire budget for 2001, plus another 1.4 trillion all disappeared in September 2001. And you think I am young and naive.........thanks, I needed the laugh.

You sound very young and naive to me, with hardly any world experience. Do yourself a favor and go outside once in a while. Get a few scrapes and bruises, and stop thinking you can read about the world. And no, it's not an ad homenim attack. It's an addressing of a fundamental flaw of your world view, lack of experience, low emotional intelligence, and a need to rebel, so like you told me, don't be afraid of the truth.

Whew, and I thought I was condescending.....shall we see who can pee the farthest next?

[edit on 7-9-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]

reply to post by praxis

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Did you just regain consciousness on 9/10/01??

Problems with procurement, accounting and budgeting have ALWAYS been a problem. Where were you during the 80s when Senator Chuck Grassley was holding hearings on the waste at the Pentagon.

I cannot be the only person here who remembers the:

$700.00 Precision hand held high impact device (HAMMER)

or

the $630.00 Two piece, three position inflight human waste receptacle cover (P-3C Orion TOLIET SEAT)

(Yes I was on active duty in the 80s and looked those items up in the supply system)

The Pentagon has been dealing with crap like that for years. The problem is too many bean counters sitting in offices going over contracts and not knowing a hammer from a precision hand-held.... Unfortunately, the solution from Congress is to always put more bean counters into the mix. Pretty soon you are making 7 trillion dollars worth of accounting corrections covering crap dating back to the Vietnam War.

If this 'explanation' was any where near truth, it would prove beyond any doubt that the pentagon and civilian government were incompetent and incapable of running this circus

I've been saying for years that if you really wanted to hold someone accountable, we needed to clean out the career politicians in Washington and start over. That still doesnt change the fact that the 2.3 trillion issue had absolutely no connection to 9/11/01.

Tell you what -- we'll talk about 'believing' the government's version of events when you can explain the 360 tons of cash flown to Iraq and promptly "lost".

It wasnt lost at all. It paid off a lot of people in Iraq.

[edit on 7-9-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]

[edit on 7-9-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]

reply to post by TwoPhish

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Except that....the gold was recovered and returned to its rightful owners.......

reply to post by Indigenous equity

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Not wanting to veer off topic too much....the hammer I looked up, it wasnt the materials that made it so expensive, if I remember right the packing was listed at 40 dollars on the breakdown.....

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Indigenous equity

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Not wanting to veer off topic too much....the hammer I looked up, it wasnt the materials that made it so expensive, if I remember right the packing was listed at 40 dollars on the breakdown.....

Probably special bubble-wrap. You wouldn't want the bubble-wrap to create a spark when unwrapping your new $560 hammer... I mean precision hand-held...

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