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America's Sovereignty Threatened as Never Before – What Can Americans Do?

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posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 12:13 PM

America's Sovereignty Threatened as Never Before – What Can Americans Do?

America is threatened by enemies from without (foreign enemies) and enemies from within (well-meaning and not well-meaning Americans) whom we might describe as Lenin dubbed them: "useful idiots".

"The implication was that though the person in question naïvely thought themselves an ally of the Soviets or other Communists, they were actually held in contempt by them, and being cynically used.

The term is now used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by a political movement, terrorist group, hostile government, or business, whether or not the group is Com
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posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 12:13 PM
We now see an uprising in main stream broadcasts. I suspect things will get more intense by 2010. This is only the beginning.

Bottom line, a "useful idiot" is one who works to destroy American security and sovereignty, whether wittingly or not. We see these people all around us, but more often than not they appear in public life, sadly, among the Democrat party's ranks; and even though there are such people in the Republican party as well, "useful idiots" are the most rife within the Obama administration.

Should we point fingers? Well, just about anyone whom Mr. Obama has named to his administration threatens America's security or sovereignty in one way or another. Leap-frogging over a now-yesterday's-news figure (self-admitted black nationalist, 9/11 Truther and Communist Van Jones), we come face-to-face with another character, Harold Koh, Mr. Obama's choice as legal advisor to the State Department.

"This is international imperialism. Under Koh's plan, the Constitution would become secondary and international law would take precedence regardless of what Americans said about the matter."

What this means for average citizen is that, taking Koh's advice, the legislative votes of our elected representatives may be abrogated by the rule of international treaties. According to Wikipedia:

"Whereas treaties require advice and consent by two-thirds of the Senate, sole executive agreements may be executed by the President acting alone. [Emphases ours.]

And although the President will often go the normal formal treaty route in order to gain Congressional support on legislation or funding:

"Currently, international agreements are executed by executive agreement rather than treaties at a rate of 10:1

View this to read about the newly-formed Sovereignty Caucus whose purpose will be to fight such encroachments on our sovereignty. Your Congressional representative would like to know if you'd like him or her to join up.
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posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 12:40 PM
America is done, finished, OVER! I hate to say it and deep down somewhere I still have a little bit of hope but for every person that is informed and abreast of what's going on in this country there are 5-10 kool aid drinkers cheering on the start of Football and Dancing with the Stars. For every American willing to rise up and protest or make a statement there are 5-10 sheeple calling them kooks and conspiracy theorists. I think at this point it's time all of us who give a damn sit back grab the popcorn and watch the brown stuff hit the fan.....and when it's all over and people are suffering, crying and whining and complaining about their freedoms and standard of living............We can tell them a big fat I TOLD YOU SO MORONS!

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 01:15 PM
reply to post by Zosynspiracy

I have that problem. I try to warn others or get them somewhat prepared but they look at me like I dont have a clue about what I'm saying. I cant just yell "Wake up" although I might if this keeps up!

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 01:21 PM
reply to post by wonderworld

May I suggest the fetal position?

Comfortable and practical.

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 01:30 PM
reply to post by Rockpuck

The fetal position is about all we have left. I cant just grin and bear it though. Look at Montana fighting for their gun rights.

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 02:03 PM
reply to post by wonderworld

I know exactly what you mean. I've been called crazy more times in the last 3 months than in my whole life combined. I just can't take it anymore. I have to at least try to wake some people up. I have been successful a couple times but usually it's a blank stare followed by a I didn't know you were insane look.

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 04:17 PM
reply to post by Strictsum

I like the description you describe. I think many here at ATS have experienced the same looks, like "are you OK" look, etc, etc.

They will soon understand what we are saying. It's not such a silent revolution anymore.

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 04:43 PM
reply to post by wonderworld

I have that problem. I try to warn others or get them somewhat prepared but they look at me like I dont have a clue about what I'm saying. I cant just yell "Wake up" although I might if this keeps up!

I have been successful in waking people up because I stay away from Left/Right politics and conspiracy type stuff and educate about the Federal Reserve. I use a couple of hooks to draw them in and then give them web sites to look at:

The US Circuit Court ruled The Federal Reserve Banks are private. Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (1982).
"Examining the organization and function of the Federal Reserve Banks, and applying the relevant factors, we conclude that the Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the FTCA, but are independent, privately-owned and locally controlled corporations." [Lewis vs. U.S., 680 F. 2d 1239, 1241]

This is where your tax dollar goes. "100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government." - from the Grace Commission Report

The Assets of the United States have been sold to foreigners
The Department of Homeland Security says 80% of our ports are operated by Foreigners and they are buying and running US bridges, toll roads, and Water Authorities

After the World Trade Organization was ratified in 1995, statistics showed that by 2002 Foreign ownership of U.S. assets increased to over 70% of U.S. GDP.

An analysis of the 2007 financial markets of 48 countries shows the world's finances are in the hands of a few mutual funds, banks, and corporations. This is the first report of global concentration of financial power

The greedy cartels running the World Trade Organization are not satisfied with part of the cake they want it ALL.

Up for grabs at the negotiating table is worldwide privatization and deregulation of public energy and water utilities, postal services, higher education and state alcohol distribution controls; a new right for foreign firms to obtain U.S. Small Business Administration loans; elimination of a list of specific U.S. state laws about land use, professional licensing and consumer protections, and extreme deregulation of private-sector service industries such as insurance, banking, mutual funds and securities.

Then I hand out my business card with these web sites on back

Money is Created by Banks: Evidence Given by Graham Towers to Canadian Parliament:

G.Edward Griffin about history of the fed “The Creature from Jekyll Island”

“Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” Interviews -

The last asset of the USA, farmland is being given to the multinational Corporations

'Structural Adjustment Policies are economic policies which countries must follow in order to qualify for new World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF) loans and help them make debt repayments on the older debts owed to commercial banks... SAPs often result in deep cuts in programmes like education, health and social care.."

None of this is conspiracy stuff and much comes from historical facts or laws. It does not make anyone want to fight with me, it just makes them want to learn more.

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 04:57 PM
I really feel almost at times like just giving up. I have absolutely had it with our government. The more they do the more passive I become. It's like there is no way to reverse this trend of 1984 Orwell government. Once I read the book 1984 I started to see the world more for what it was and it's had much of an influence on me since... and I think we are screwed if we don't do something about all of this.

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 09:31 PM
reply to post by crimvelvet


You have a better way of getting the point across. I love the business card idea and may copy you.

There are many consequences editing the Fed, the Federal reserve has rules and unethical practices of their own that could further crumble the ecomony if the secrets were out.

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 09:36 PM
reply to post by Frankidealist35

I think many of us feel like giving up. I wont go down without a fight. The prooblem is we are out numbered in Congress and the house. Things are whizzing by without our consent and comstant protest.

They forgot that they WORK for us. I think they need a kick in the @ss to remind then but Greed and power is a bad combination.

Dont give up yet! We still have some untapped recourses. We still have our Freedom???

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 09:42 PM
Thank you all for your great concern for the safety of Americans. It's like despite our warmongering and decadence you all still want to save us, even though we are clearly not worth saving.

I truely sense that some of you are upset that Americans like football and dancing with the stars more than what's really going on. It's weird, but thank you.

I personally think its cool that so many people around the world have decided to come here, invest and work so hard to entertain and feed us. They are doing an excellent job.

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 09:57 PM
reply to post by IDK88

I’m all for foreigners coming to work here, if legal. Our states have the right to call a natural emergency; however we have been out trumped with executive orders, treaties, etc. It must stop now!!

These executive orders are created by the President and never go through the Senate. There is something deeply wrong with this picture.

[edit on 7-9-2009 by wonderworld]

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 10:05 PM

Originally posted by wonderworldI cant just yell "Wake up" although I might if this keeps up!

Originally posted by Strictsum I have to at least try to wake some people up.

Just curious...

what makes you two so sure you know what people need to wake up to?

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 10:43 PM
Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791. The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people.

The Tenth Amendment is similar to an earlier provision of the Articles of Confederation: "Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."[1] After the Constitution was ratified, some wanted to add a similar amendment limiting the federal government to powers "expressly" delegated, which would have denied implied powers.

The Tenth Amendment, which makes explicit the idea that the federal government is limited only to the powers granted in the Constitution is generally recognized to be a truism. In United States v. Sprague (1931) the Supreme Court noted that the amendment "added nothing to the [Constitution] as originally ratified."

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 10:46 PM
reply to post by zorgon

Hi zorgon,

In this particular situation. "Waking up" in meant in the context of Freedom and the threat to State and Federal Sovereignty.

We need to limit the power of the Federal government in order to keep our States sovereignty. This is not how America was founded and is blatant corruption at all levels regarding our 10th amendment.

What do you think?

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 10:50 PM
reply to post by wonderworld

So what exactly makes America "threatened as never before?"

I would think WWII has been Americas all time worst threat to our sovereignty..

but i also have zero fear of the "NWO" unlike many here..

so again, why should we be so fearful?

edit for typos

[edit on 7-9-2009 by open_eyeballs]

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 11:03 PM
reply to post by open_eyeballs

Federalism, the Constitution and state Sovereignty. It’s crucial for our survival to put LIMITS on Congressional power.

There is a clear line between State and Federal Government. This Administration doesn’t seem to understand this. The Supreme court has changed a few things; however the legislative branch has not only messed around with the 10th amendment but also the 14th and 11th.

What’s your take on the subject?

posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 11:16 PM
reply to post by wonderworld

Those threats have been consistent since the inception of our republic.

The title says "Threatened As Never Before."

If you are trying to mask this as an Obama thing, then fine, but when the article says "As Never Before" and I am assuming you agree with it, then I find it difficult to think our sovereignty ans safety as a nation is in more distress now than it was fighting the national socialist party of 1940 Nazi Germany, or fascist Italy or Imperical Japan..all of whom sought the destruction of any idea but there own...including to remove the sovereign status of the Unitred States of America.

So I suppose I just disagree with the headline...thats all

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