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I am a member of the English Defense League

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posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 07:39 AM
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I do not feel superior do not need to be "told" what to think, do not think that this country owes me anything because i fought for it. I did it because I love this country, of my own free will, and by the way, we paid taxes too, kinda like paying our own wages, which are pitifull to say the least so you would HAVE to love this country to fight for it with those kind of wages!! What it did do is protect your right and mine for free speech and to be able to live our lives without fear in our own country, and althoughg we fought, we failed because of a trecherous goverment that has sold us out at every turn. The older I have got, the more pissed with this country i get, and even more so with myself for sweating blood for it. Nobody HAD to tell me what to think, i thought all that up by myself. So I have decided to do something about it. Stand up for this country. What are you gonna do about mister? You gonna fiddle on your computer while rome burns? Or are you going to grow a pair and work to bring balance back to our green and pleasant land, which includes all races, tongues and religions?
I dont agree with violence, racism, I hate any form of censorship, and this goverment has done nothing more than stifle free speech, divide the country on race and religious lines and incresed tensions between us to take our attention away from what they are doing. ..
I have joined the EDL to make sure that true english patriots do not go the way of holocaust denyers and bigots. Im not against muslims, but i am against this countries way of life being threatened by them. I am also against this goverment who are even more an enemy to us than any muslim extremist.




posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 07:57 AM
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I understand what you're saying and I understand why you might feel the way that you do about this government, but the reasons that you fought have nothing to do with the current government, or any other government for that matter. You were employed by the Ministry of Defence. The Ministry of Defence is part of the permanent Civil Service. The PCS is not an elective body, it's members are appointed and therefore it's 'ideals' are not subject to our (the 'little people's') needs and concerns. It is their role and their aim to maintain Britain, we the people are a factor in that, as a resource, but what we think, feel and need is not, unless dissatisfaction reaches a level at which they may feel threatened.

The elected government, even the House of Lords, is subject to the directions and restrictions imposed by the Head of the Civil Service, because that is the body that runs this country, the government is merely the intermediary between it and the government.

You are able, as you state, to think clearly, but also understand that any government, Labour, Conservative, Green Party, whatever, is potentially just as pissed off as you at how powerless they really are to enact any change. Immigration is driven by economic requirements. We may need more tax payers or more people willing to take low paid work. People like Rupert Murdoch and many others who have only a capital interest in this country demand that they do so or they'll take their jobs and money elsewhere. Remember that as a nation, right now, our only major export is financial service. If you want someone to blame, look towards the City of London Corporation, and the current debate regarding non-Domicile Tax Status. The immigration issue, as contentious and as valid as it may be on the street level is by no means the problem here, nor is the current disillusioned government, it is the smoke screen.



[edit on 12-9-2009 by shamhat]



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
That EDL and Casuals United have links with football fans / hooligans is undeniable, but why should that have a bearing on the validity and strength of their arguement on an unrelated subject?


Because the minute the trouble starts, who is more likely to get blamed for it?

And when they do get blamed, what does that do to the actual message thats trying to be put across?

All the politicans will see is football hooligans kicking off again.



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 12:04 PM
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Comment removed cos can't handle another debate about Muzzers.
****sorry***

[edit on 12-9-2009 by and14263]



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 01:42 PM
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This just appeared on utube as a response from one of the muslim leaders ( Anjem Choudary )in regards to the EDL and UAF
You just have to watch it to believe it
amazing
how do you deal with these people ???

www.youtube.com...



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 01:51 PM
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So in a nut shell - he doesn't take the EDL seriously and asks for the UAF to embrace Islam. He declares that the Islamic flag will fly over downing street and declares that sharia law will be in the Uk during his or his childrens life time.

Any comments from all parties?

Whether you be UAF, EDL, Socialist, communist, casuals united or muslim....




posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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Basically He just does not care what anyone thinks, we are all idiots and Islam will sort us out when they have gained the upper hand !



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 02:29 PM
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Sharia law, religion blurs into governance of the Realm. What the Mullahs need to realise is that Sharia law holds very extreme views. For example Muslim men are allowed to have multiple wives, but if a wife is having a relationship out of wedlock, the wife can be stoned to death.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Mullahs purporting Sharia law in the UK are being watched, they need to remember that the soil they stand on is part of the Queens Realm after all, not that the Queen would openly comment on such matters as to inflame the situation.

Perhaps the answer lies in creating a modern European version of the Muslim faith, just like the old testament which was born a new?



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 02:31 PM
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There you go then.... the true intentions of Choudrey & Islam

[edit on 12-9-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 02:46 PM
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that video has been moved to a new thread of its own

www.abovetopsecret.com...

just incase anyone is interested



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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I know this is somewhat off focus from the OP's post but hopefully the OP will not mind.

Do you honestly thing that the UK military is going to sit back and let this country fall to Islam? Everyone who serves in the miltary swears an oath to the monarch, and the monarch is head of the Church of England, so the military will have fight this.



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 04:35 PM
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lets have a look at some figures. only 3.5% of the population is muslim about 2 million. now out of that 2 million we have children, women the elderly. you then have the vast majority of Muslims who are not militant or violent.

So that leaves us with lets say 10,000 Muslims at the most who believe we should install sharia Law and have the Islamic flag over 10 downing street. How do you think this is possibly going to happen.

It's a straw man argument that has been peddled out about different threats through the years. come on people, stop buying into the fear.

[edit on 12-9-2009 by woodwardjnr]



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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The EDL are planning protests against choudry, some EDL have renamed United against facism to United against freedom. Support is rising from Bristol to London and even New Zealand and the US, facebook group had 1700 members yesterday, today there is 2100.



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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EDL group and website just appeared on BBC news, we were unkown a month ago, we are now on mainstream media.



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 05:41 PM
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That's more like it Jensy. Thanks for the clarification and the interesting story. There's something insidious, in my opinion, about the need to build a mosque which dwarves the worship places of the community's other religions.



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 05:44 PM
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Nice one....will take a look



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 05:48 PM
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This is what happen's when people get off there back side and stand up for what they believe in. I just hope more people will join and stand up for there country. It's long overdue, and of course people will think its rasict, but hopefully they will wake up and realise that theres nothing wrong in national pride, nothing wrong with stading up for your country, its laws, its culture, its people.

Tsom87



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Members just hit 2300, 200 jump after a radio show on 5 live.



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Cant find the group on facebook!
Please direct me




posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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Go to the website, search english defense league, on homepage click join us on facebook, right hand side.



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