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posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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gay areas to be gay in at all airports, gay changes to holidays calling it a gay time of year instead of christmas I mean any group asking for these thing really takes the biscuit


I totally agree I'm not defending it but pointing out the insanity of it.

As I said earlier one social law should be good enough -

"It is an offence to take offence"

"The restaurant is mine I don't care what colour gender or religion you are, there's your table if you don't like it #### off and cook your own food"




posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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so you sat/stood there, working in a hospital where this kid who was critically ill came in and had time to explain to this guy - who just so happens to fit the stereotype you want to portray - that you were treating the kid first.

k. fair enough

but why did you explain to him that the kid was white? how was it relevant to the conversation at the time? didn't you have more important things to be doing?

i smell b.s.

that and religiously devout muslims tend not to drink...

oh and its your first post too. suprise. birds of a feather and all i guess.

welcome to ATS.

folks look past the superficial here.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by noangels
 


I'm pretty sure Fanatical//radical Islamists existed before 9/11 just as the BNP party did....


yeah the BNP went under a different name. The National Front.


I know this but this guy noangels is chatting as if these parties never existed before 9/11!! Also the NF were around but they were not around if ya know what i mean... they were mainly in their small groups underground... however now they have an excuse to get out and about again because of the Radicals/Fanaticals operating in this country from Islam...



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by mr-lizard
 


I hate Christmas too, I'm Pagan.


Unlucky. Guess you don't know enough about your own religion. Before Christ pagans celebrated the winter seasons and the winter solstice, as a summoning of Mithras. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25.
The burning of Yule logs was part of the ceremony too. The Mistletoe was a sacred leaf, evergreen boughs were carried as a luck symbol.
So i guess you're disgruntled because Christianity stole the celebration from you.


I feel little patriotism to my country. I hate the fact that we are at war in countries for no reason other than to secure Oil.


So you're unpatriotic because our leaders have dragged us into wars that NOBODY wanted. Hmm great excuse to dislike your own soil.



So does that make me a target for your hatred?


What hatred? Read my other posts. Quit typing words until you are wholly sure as to what you are babbling on about.



You are generalising an entire community of people and labelling them as potential terrorists simply because they do not agree with some strict ideas of what YOU THINK Britain is about.


Britain isn't a muslim country. It has a muslim minority. I'm not generalising, although YOU are. Sorry to disappoint you.



What about David Copeland, Tim McVeigh... Are you about to declare war on white men in their 20's too?


Tim Mcveigh to my knowledge didn't bomb England. David Copeland was a right wing nutcase with severe mental health issues.

I'm not declaring war on anyone.



Again, unless these people are approaching you and openly stating their intentions to blow people up, how the hell do you protest such?


Good point. I guess we should wait until the fanatics launch a campaign of violence against innocents and THEN do something about it. That way you can sit behind your keyboard, as smug as you like and then curse me for worrying.




A good comparison can be made with the IRA and the Irish.


The IRA does NOT represent the Irish way. That's a terribly lame arguement.



Would you find it reasonable to do what you do against the "Irish people" and claim that you are combating the IRA?
My suspicion is that you wouldn't, because they aren't of dark skin and grow beards.


No that my friend is an assumption. A rather crap one at that. Do you think i worry that my friend and his family are terrorists because they match your racist assumptions that all people with dark skin and beards are terrorists.

No. Get a grip and actually bother to read my posts before trying to tarnish my opinion with your foolish assumptions.



You people seriously need to learn about the Muslim faith. Just as there are radical Christians and radical Jews, there is radical Islam. But that minority is just that, a minority. You are attacking an entire group of people based on propaganda.


Nope. Again another fail (one of many). Would you liken all Irish to the IRA?
Have you ever been to a muslim country? I guess not, since your ignorant attitude paints me as a racist when in actual fact i'm only concerned about the media brainwashed fanatics as opposed to the muslim community as a whole be they Sunni or Shia.



You cannot simply target an entire cultural group based on the actions of a very tiny minority. To do so is racist, and no amount of denial will prove otherwise.


I didn't... But YOU did. YOU assumed i was targetting a community, as opposed to me using my own brain and effectively realising that these idiots do NOT represent what Islam is about.



The argument is over in my opinion.


Yep, because you failed to even grasp at what i was calmly and politely discussing. Maybe i suggest you order a new pair of reading glasses and bother to read what i was talking about.



You guys have done nothing to adequately prove that you are not just a grass roots replacement for the BNP now they've gone semi-legit.


Which guys. I do hope you're not labelling me into some sort of faction, as i speak for myself and only for myself. I guess that's too much for you to deal with in this day of division and social tagging.



You contradict yourselves, proclaiming not to be racist while constantly banging on about a select few and tarnishing the entire cultural group.


Again you'll find it's YOU who has done a terribly fine job of looking foolish and contradicting yourself, by claiming the righteous side of an arguement while using hypocritical arguements and sweeping generalisations against my character.

If you even bothered to read my own posts you'll find i'm taking a neutral stance and trying to see things from all sides of the arguement.

Unlike yourself who has attacked me.



You are fundamentalists in yourselves, a hypocrisy, stating that those who do not believe the same as you (Christmas, flags and so on) should be fought.


Well as soon as paganism starts getting a bad rep, PLEASE don't come crying on these boards. As i am very open minded about faith and religion and probably know a lot more about the various religions of the earth than you do. Unlike you i don't tag people into groups and factions, and can have an honest personal opinion about those who dislike our way of life without the need to fit into any group - be it political, religious or philosphical.



I'm done in this discussion. You'll continue to deny the facts, and you'll continue to form inadequate arguments in your defence.


I'm not done. I have plenty more to say. I've not denied any 'facts' and my arguements are of slightly more calibre than yours, as i've actually bothered to take an interest in peoples opinions, posts, threads and views without jumping onto any particular bandwagon. You sir are VERY ignorant and can barely hold your own in a discussion, god forbid you ever stumble into an arguement with me.



You've done nothing in this thread to convince me that the EDL is anything but a racists group of thugs determined to cause hatred and violence.


Did I? Is that the invisible post that only you can read. Please post it.



Well done guys, you must be really proud to be British.


Yes as a matter of fact i am.


Next...

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posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 12:04 PM
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I suggest you need to comprehend that the Western World has faced numerous threats in the past 100 years - these threats to the western world have largely been manufactured.
There are no end to such "manufactured" events and they are manfactured to keep populations in varying states of fear and thus keep them malleable and susceptible to other agendas just below the surface.
You are "in the weeds" so to speak and cant "see the wood for the trees" and thus you become an instrument of somebody else.

Here is a brief Macro perspective - from 30,000 feet.

THE PAST
-WW1
-WW2 - The Nazi Party/The Japanese etc (Pearl Harbor False Flag Op)
-The Commies are coming! (Bay of Pigs etc - Plan by joint chiefs of staffs to shoot down US airlines and blame it on the Cubans so as to promote a new war front - variations thereof)
-The Atom bomb will wipe us all out! (multiple examples)
-The Axis of Evil and the Muslims are coming and we must defend (Read PNAC et al)

THE PRESENT
-The Terrorists are now here as well as over there - we must defend!
-The Environment
-The Economy

THE FUTURE
-Threats from Extraterrestrials?
-Threats from Asteroids hitting earth.

There will always be a threat that is manufactured as this is the proven was over the ages to be the effective means of population control and achieving certain power/financial/control ends.
I dont deny that each and every one of the above was and is a potential threat in its own right - BUT understand that it was largely engineered/developed this way to support numerous underhand agenda's from Military Industrial Complex to power grabs, to energy/fuel policies to other natural resources policies and so forth.

The world has a population of 6.5 Billion +/-. Now take the combined population of Europe (700 million +/-) and the population of the USA (600 million +/-) and we see that we have approx 1.4 Billion versus a majority of 5.5 Billion or so that are left.
Our Western way of life, and the things that "we" rightly or wrongly value today would not have been possible in its current form without all of the above agendas being pursued - they are just a means to an end - the question of whether the means justifies the end is an age old philosophical debate.

Just the fact that in the USA that 5% of world population uses 35% of available energy resources is one point alone - all of this "Western Wealth" has been achieved massively at the cost of others - like parasites.

Well now the PARASITE is reaching a point whereby its starting to consume the HOST - and like all empires it will implode upon itself - this is happening now - look around you.

The parasite will keep trying to create more substance from which to feed, such as printing more money, creating artificial bubbles that only temporarily stave off the end that it knows is coming - the parasite will continue to create more Wars/Debt/Credit/Misery so that it can continue to feed - but now its feeding of its own people - the citizens of the USA and Europe and not just the rest of the world.

How about some symbiosis? - how about mutually beneficial relationships where a little of the wealth and love is shared around some? Instead of being so parasitic and just "take take take" at the cost of somebody else less fortunate in a way that is highly unbalanced and will always cause a collapse at some point?

Unbalanced Media and an uninformed and ignorant view does not a warrior make, example:

1) CNN covered North Korea for weeks, bringing on plenty of talking .s and specialists to cover the North Korea situation as it was evolving around the missile launches and the kidnapped journalists.
2) A few weeks later CNN runs a poll asking its clearly non-representative population whether they believe North Korea is a threat?
3) At end of poll CNN announces ticker tape result" 85% of CNN viewers polled believe N Korea is a major threat.

TY

Bravo



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 01:05 PM
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You claim to be a pagan, and you hate Christmas?

You must be a very ignorant pagan, or a liar.

Christmas is a pagan holiday.

Celebrating the rebirth of the SUN, that big yellow orb in the sky during daylight.

Easter and Halloween are also pagan holidays.

The 4th of July, also corresponds to a pagan holiday.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 01:19 PM
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Your country was sold out for cheap labor by corrupt politicians,
and we are in the same boat here in short order.

Chaos is the destination, and the only real hope if for you and your
friends to go rural, and prepare for the collapse.

That is what a lot of ppl here in the US are doing.

Let the cities turn to cess pools, and get the hell out.

Vote with your wallet and your feet.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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Yes, there are always threats that will be manufactured, and there will alway be real threats.

Islamic terrorism is not a threat that has been manufactured, it is a real threat to anyone on this planet who refuses the worship their god.

This is the reality of the current situation.

Islam spreads violence where ever it goes. The edge of the Muslim world is a war zone, where extremists practice terrorism against non-muslims. Within the Muslim world women are treated like slaves, and non-muslims are treated as non-citizens and forced to follow the barbaric laws imposed upon them by the religious muslim nation.

If your wife or daughter does out without an escort and is raped, it is the fault of your daughter or wife. People who hold such a belief are not civilized, they are animals.


CX

posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 01:41 PM
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Well thats put paid to my trip to London with the kids next Sunday...



English Defence League: Future Demonstrations

2009

•13th September 2009: London
The Home Office bent over backwards to ban us from Luton, yet Hezbollah, a Muslim Terrorist Organisation's supporters are due to march through London this coming Sunday. I wonder if we have missed the Al-Qaida March? We urge everybody who can to come to London to oppose this. This Demonstration is being organised by March for England, but we will be supporting them. We will be meeting around Trafalgar square. More to follow.


My kids love it in Trafalgar Square and the surrounding area, theres not a chance in hell i'll take them near there if this one is on.

Chances of it passing off peacefully?


CX.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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all of this "Western Wealth" has been achieved massively at the cost of others


Wrong, the wealth of western nations was created by the people of the western nations.

The Middle East sells oil to the west because they want the wealth that western nations have created. The very oil that comes from under that land they live on was discovered and developed by western nations, who then turned that great amount of wealth they had discovered over to the desert nomads who claimed that land as their own. With all the wealth they have gained from that huge amount of wealth found under their land and developed by westerner's, Middle Eastern nations have failed to improve themselves in any way. They have developed no technology, or manufacturing capability on their own. In a few decades, as the oil under their nations begins to run out, they will become very desperate people who will seek to take over the wealth of other countries.

The people of the third world desire to live in the first world nations, which are the western nations, and the two Asian nations, Japan and S. Korea who have adopted western culture and succeeded beyond all their other Asian rivals.

Why do the people of the third world want to live in first world nations?

Because they want to share in the wealth created by first world nations.

The people of the third world have plenty of resources to create their own wealth. They don't succeed because they refuse to do the things necessary to succeed.




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posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
reply to post by Haydn_17
 

Your country was sold out for cheap labor by corrupt politicians,
and we are in the same boat here in short order.

Chaos is the destination, and the only real hope if for you and your
friends to go rural, and prepare for the collapse.

That is what a lot of ppl here in the US are doing.

Let the cities turn to cess pools, and get the hell out.

Vote with your wallet and your feet.





Of course, the problem with this mate, is that our country isn't even 1/8 as big as yours. There's quite a lot of us, and not much room!



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 03:30 PM
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In response to your response.

It is part of the protocol of the Emergency Room to keep waiting time to a minimum and to inform patients of further delays ( not a nice job but someone has to do it).

At NO point was the child's race or colour disclosed. He was alerted in by ambulance and was clearly visible to anyone not visually impaired.

NO-ONE has the right to assume what I am thinking at any given time, there is NO attempt at portrayal of stereotypes, merely a factual account
of the events of the evening.

WHO stated that that the intoxicated youths were either Asian or in fact Muslim, they were actually White lads calling the said gentleman a racist because he was calling ME a racist. So WHO exactly is stereotyping?

As for the smell of BS, I suggest you check the bottom of your shoes because there is none in my account!

I do NOT belong to any FLOCK and like you am entitled to my opinion.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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The Queen has absolutely no power. The Monarchy hasn't had power for decades. The Government has the power and it is the Government that is making Britain unsafe for the British to live in.

I agree with everything the EDL stands for (incidently, I am not in any way, shape or form, a racist).

Britain is a CHRISTIAN Country. Christianity teaches us to love thy neighbour regardless of colour, creed or race. Does Muslim teach this? Can a Muslim person openly worship Allah in the UK? YES. Can a Christian openly worship Christian God in a Muslim country? NO.

Muslim is essentially a religion that teaches about peace and the majority of people that practise this are wonderful people. But the extremists (and don't get me wrong, there are plenty of Christian extremists that twist the Bible's teachings) need to be kicked out of Britain. No excuses, no second changes. If you cannot live peacefully and accept that you are living in a Chrsitaian country, then get out and don't come back.

By the way, normal Muslim families are not offended by Christianity, Christmas and National flags, it is the pathetic, brainless Councillors that are afraid, not realising that if you ban something integral to a Country for 'fear' of reprisals from minority communities, the only thing you succeed in doing is stirring up resentment from the majority.

I left the UK 18 months ago precisly because I couldn't stand living in a country run by brainless idiots.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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Actually, hundreds of years ago the Christian Knights of St John built a wall around what was Europe then, to keep the Muslim's out. We are now realising why exactly they did it.

We need to build that wall again.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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This current situation cannot wholly be blame on the Government.

The English people have been ashamed of their Englishness for the last 20 years. It all started with the English football yobs, exporting thier violence to Europe. Let's not forget racism either - throwing of bananas at black players in the 80s -not exactly the English finest hour.

So when racism or religion come up, any politician worth his salt treads very carefully. The English Defence League may be leigitimate, they may be fascist, either way they have a mountain to climb to get over the English psyche.

Here is where we can get help from France or better still Turkey a mainly Moslem country that easily separates religion from politics (secularism). It makes sense that anyone coming to this country should observe all the secular rules and laws of the country (and indeed the koran talks of living by the local rules)

The governemnt are not off the hook - they encouraged a diversity policy - to encourage people to come to the UK and basically stick together. Their policy should have been more around integration. We all fear what we don't know.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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Eurika !! I have the answer to the problem of islam

Get all the members of the EDL to contract swine flue then each of them visit a mosque demanding to be converted .

Now that should send them packing for you no ?



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 05:17 PM
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Take your propaganda filth and go and post it somewhere else.
I would like to remnd you that Hitler used this anti sentiment to rise to power by systematically killing them.

I may not agree with some of the extreemist views but I will not persecute muslims because I know that the agression had come from the west in the first place.

You only need to look at the foreign policy of the Corporation of the US to see that the muslims have been given a raw deal in the form of the Infinite wars based on lies for the motove of profit. And you willingly allowed it to happen. Well, I have news for you, if the muslims are forced out of Britain then you will be next.

If you make a conscious effort to reach out to muslims in general then you will in fact see that they are not monsters (the msm will have you
think otherwise) speak to them and get their opinion first before joining organisations such as the BNP and the EDL that have racism and "Divide and Rule" as their shadow agenda.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 05:48 PM
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When did I ever say all asians. You are reading into, and making very wrong assumptions from my post. Many of my friends, and my children's friends are asian. My best friend is asian. As are her children, who are friends of my children's. None of them, however, hold extremist views. Nor are they secular.

At a quick guess, I would say that 40% of my sons friends are asian/black.

I would also point out that the asian kids who hang out with the white kids are also "targeted" for attack by the more extreme muslim crowd. Since you are so "clued up on what's happening on the streets, you will know that though!

Which particular marginalised group were you referring to when you stated "NEDS"? I have worked with many in a professional and open minded capacity?



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 06:18 PM
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The BNP can no longer afford to be white-only

Reading the .line you may think this post is an exploration into the BNP's policies, however in this instance the .line is to be taken literally: The BNP simply do not have enough money to be a white-only party anymore.

As was commented on by political writer Ian Dunt this week, the BNP were set to go to court on Wednesday, accused by the Equality and Human Rights Commission of breaching the Race Relations Act by not allowing anybody of non-white ethnicity to join the party.

The court proceedings never got underway - the case was adjourned after the BNP changed solicitors at the last minute, potentially a tactic to buy some time while they decided what to do.

On Thursday a statement on the party's website seemed to indicate that Nick Griffin is ready to concede defeat and for the first time accept members of different ethnicities into the BNP. If we are to assume this is true it's a massive decision from Griffin - the BNP has been white-only since its inception in 1982.

Griffin's statement said that if the BNP were to continue fighting the Commission it would bleed the party dry. He claimed that it would cost more than £1 million to appeal and that it would strip the party of the ability to fight the next general election. In his statement he claimed it was a matter of "evolving and living to fight another day or going down in a blaze of glory".

The party leader also implied that contesting the decision was pointless, arguing that the Government's Equality Bill expected to be passed by Parliament in coming months would ban any party from discriminating on grounds of ethnicity.

While from the outside looking in you'd think this wouldn't really affect the party - I mean, how many non-whites would actually consider joining the BNP anyway? But on the inside there are likely to be a large number of members who only joined the party specifically for the reason it was white-only. Griffin's decision is likely to ruffle a lot of feathers within the party and could even cause a massive split right down the middle.

For the first time the BNP will be fighting internal bickering as well as being on the receiving end of the usual external angst, only time will tell as to whether it can cope with both.


uk.news.yahoo.com...



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 08:14 PM
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The poster never said that - what was said is that the irate man was accusing her of being racist because the "white" child was treated first - whereas the poster was trying to explain that in emergencies they take the most serious first (which was this seriously ill child, who happened to be white) and explaining that to this guy was futile.... the poster was called racist, they didn't talk about the child being white, the other guy did!

Classic example of reversed racism - and even trying to discuss this situation in the emergency room is taken out of context and then thrown back at them because the story wasn't understood properly in the first place.

Not picking on you - just trying to point out how easy it is for anyone to be put on the defensive by someone on the offensive such as extremists most definitely are.

Every emergency room handles the sickest first as best as they are able - I can well imagine how difficult a person like that would make an already difficult situation worse.

I have no problem with people living their lives as long as they don't expect me to give up mine because theirs is more important which this poster was talking about. Perhaps its their way from their homeland, but again, if you move to another culture/country to turn it into where you left, please go home. We like it fine the way we were BEFORE you came.




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