I suspect, however, that your friend is not so desperate for healthcare as you claim.
Even with fast-track federal legislation, the so-called "healthcare reform" (socialism) movement in America would not actually see any reform until about 2013. That's right, even if every American was in favor of "healthcare reform" and there was no opposition to the legislation and President Hussein signed the thing into law today, the actual reform would not even begin for another 4 years.
Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by Doc Velocity
Seeing how you point out socialism and Hussein, it highly suggests that you are not in favor of any healthcare bill, compromised or not.
Obama just addressed the insurance debacle on a live broadcast on CNN.
(if anyone even noticed)
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Insurance is the problem, not the solution.
Insurance allows hospitals to get by with charging $20 for an aspirin.
Insurance forces doctors to run tests they would otherwise deem as unnecessary simply to make sure their malpractice rates don't go up.
Insurance regulates who gets into a hospital and who doesn't.
And when you hear about these experiences, when you think of the millions of people denied coverage because of preexisting conditions, when you think about the thousands who have their policies cancelled each year, like Katie, I want you to remember one thing: There but for the grace of God go I. (Applause.) Most of us have insurance. And most of us think, you know, knock on wood, that we're going to stay healthy. But we're no different than Katie and other ordinary Americans, no different than anybody else. We are held hostage at any given moment by health insurance companies that deny coverage, or drop coverage, or charge fees that people can't afford at a time when they desperately need care.
It's wrong. It's bankrupting families, it's bankrupting businesses. And we are going to fix it when we pass health insurance reform this year. We are going to fix it.
I would expand a say this is indicative of why this issue is nearly impossible
to address... The last part is also very important...
Originally posted by jam321
I ask you, if tomorrow you were to become disabled or come down with a life threatening illness, how will you provide for your healthcare? Will you totally depend on charitable hospitals? What will you do when those charitable hospitals run out of funds?
Originally posted by 27jd
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See, i don't know why everybody brings up the pre-existing clause. Employer based insurance plans have NO such clause, at all. I've never in my almost decade in the health insurance industry seen a plan with that exclusion in it. I think that is in effect for private plans, in which somebody decided to go SO long without insurance or well-checks, then all of the sudden is hit with a catastrophic illness and wants insurance to pay their bills, and them only pay a small premium. How is that AT ALL fair for the rest of the members? It doesn't work that way in ANY other industry, if you ignore your vehicles maintenance schedule, and the engine blows, it's not gonna be covered under the warranty.
When the government removes our Liberty and starts demanding that we pay for indigent healthcare, starts taking it out of our paychecks to finance "socialized healthcare," THEN you will probably see the charity hospitals "run out of funds" rather quickly, because we won't be able to afford making charitable donations.
Originally posted by Mak Manto
I don't see a lot of employers getting major health care plans for their employees.
There are many aspects of the health insurance industry that can be changed, but insurance is NOT the only or main problem. It's EVERYBODY in the industry.
We are held hostage at any given moment by health insurance companies that deny coverage, or drop coverage, or charge fees that people can't afford at a time when they desperately need care.