Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Psychoses
...Flight 77 which hit the Pentagon, apparently released through FOI.
NO. The P4T people had an "insider" who brought them the SSFDR data, and "decoded" it for them. NOT thru an FOIA.
Incorrect. According to P4T the FDR data
was acquired from the NTSB via a FOIA (and decoded by an industry insider).
However, to date the complete unedited SSFDR file has not been released. It would contain the last 25 hours of data - including flight activity
immediately prior to Sept 11, which could positively identify the FDR with the federally registered aircraft it is alleged to have come from
(N644AA).
A December 8, 2007 FOIA request to the FBI for the SSFDR data from AA 77 and UA 93 was refused on the grounds that it was “expected to interfere
with enforcement proceedings”.
FBI Conceals
Flight Data Recorder Info That Could Confirm Registry ID’s Of 2 9/11 Planes
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Psychoses
The video you found...I've seen it before, makes my stomach hurt. The conclusions show a complete lack of understanding of real airplanes. THAT is
the kind of propaganda that P4T keeps foisting on people who don't know any better.
Opinions. Reason backed by fact and references are much more valuable.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Psychoses
Your other link, above, the print "article" about finding Flight recorders in the WTC wreckage is pure, unadulterated rubbish. Nothing but
speculation and hearsay, meant to further rile people up. It's far easier to make up a lie, and post it in blog form, than it is to do real research
with verifiable sources and references.
Again - let's leave the huff and puff out and focus on the facts, which you have misrepresented.
The claim that the flight recorders were found is not hearsay. The identity of New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi and volunteer Mike Bellone
can be verified and they did not say they heard the data recorders were found - they say they
saw them. DeMasi said, “There were a total of
four black boxes. We found three.” Bellone said he observed a box that appeared charred but was redish-orange with two white stripes, “There was
the one that I saw, and two others were recovered in different locations - but I wasn’t there for the other two.”
It wasn't posted on a blog with no verifiable sources, as you suggest. The
Philadelphia Daily News (October 28, 2004) covered their story and
DeMasi also gave an account of it in
Behind the Scene: Ground Zero, published by the
Trauma Response Assistance
for Children Team in 2003.
Now Bellone claims agents were adamant about keeping the discovery a secret.
“They confronted me and told me to not to say anything,” recalled Bellone, referring to one of three reddish-orange boxes with two white stripes
he saw in the back of DeMasi’s ATV. “I said, ‘Give me a good reason.’ When they couldn’t, I told them I wouldn’t shut up about it.
“Why should I? I have nothing to hide and nothing to gain. It’s the truth, and Nick and I are sticking to our story as we always have.”
Bellone said he and DeMasi were not the only 9-11 rescue workers to see the “black boxes.” He said there were several other witnesses and said he
knows they have been silenced by federal agents.
“I know two or three others saw what went down, but they are not talking,” said Bellone. “They got to those guys after they talked to me. The
only reason I can figure they are trying to hide the truth is that the government knows it screwed up, and the recorders would prove it.”
Asked to give names of the other witnesses, he said he wouldn’t break a fellow worker’s confidence by revealing his identity.
“I can tell you this, though, it was all very strange. I worked on the spaceship Columbia cleanup, and you know when something important is found
and when something is not,” he said.
The day the “black boxes” were secretly carted away, agents acted like “something big was going down,” he added.
Greg Szymansk,
American Free Press.
After publication, Bellone's good character came under assault:
He was charged with grand larceny, criminal impersonation and possession of stolen property and it was claimed his charitable organisation (TRACT) had
unpaid debts.
However, all the charges were dropped, and TRACT still operates as a registered non-profit charity.
No evidence was forthcoming that Bellone, who was made an honorary fireman for his extensive voluntary work at Ground Zero, tried to deceive anyone
about his status. The various Ground Zero artefacts he was accused of stealing were returned and Bellone explained that they were donated by various
people (whom he was not prepared to compromise by naming): "It never occurred to me that anyone would have a problem with it. We tried to return some
of the stuff, but if nobody wanted it, we thought, 'Why not use it for educational purposes?' If someone wants something back, just tell me."
The hallmarks of a smear campaign?
Bellone appeared in the following news reports. Brave, patriotic, self-sacrificing, religious or a man who would wilfully make up testimony about
something so important just for the hell of it?
What would former New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi (whose reputation has not been attacked) have to gain by claiming to have seen three of
the black boxes? Wouldn't both men have more to lose than gain by telling such a story?
[edit on 10-9-2009 by EvilAxis]
