reply to post by kiwifoot
kiwi, you don't need 40 questions. I'll just address the first two. Really, Number 1 is all you need:
That's the real "conspiracy" to investigate, the rest is just hogwash.
Those other microscopic and ridiculous fantasies come from people who seem to either want to make a name for themselves, to be a "hero" or
something, or they are truly so delusional that they believe the incredible stories of all this "pre-planned" nonsense. It turns into such an
elaborate "plot", it defies belief. YET, these deluded folks mange to find others who, through a lack of thorough research, tend to believe the
baloney.
Number 1 cuts right to the issue. EITHER certain players in the various government agencies were stubbornly incompetent and arrogant and refused to
heed the warnings offered by our allies, OR (and this is the real "crime" if it is true) intentionally and willfully allowed this act to be carried
out.
IF it is the latter, then that's the way these "investigations" should be headed. ALL this other stuff is clouding up and distracting any real
"truths", should they lie in that direction. And, IF this is the case, of willful negligence, then "they" are laughing their butts off, since
"thery" are getting away with it.
An example of the stupidity and cloudiness is Number 2:
I could barely stand to read that claptrap you linked in support of question Number 2, made me want to vomit, it was so obviously biased.
Although it started with accurate information regarding cellphone limitations at high altitudes, from airplanes, it dishoestly went on to insinuate,
allege and just outright LIED to leave impressions in the reader's mind about "scripting" and "false flag" bull puck.
Again, without examining IN DETAIL these allegations, one cannot know the entire story.
The "source" tried to twist the facts to make it seem that cellphones were being used by all those passengers and crew. IN FACT, only TWO
cellphones were used, and that was just minutes before impact, when the airplane was at a low altitude.
9:58:00 - Ed Felt, 911 call to Westmoreland County dispatcher (see also cell phones about this call)
9:58:00 - CeeCee Lyles called her husband with her cell phone (see also cell phones about this call)
NOTE the times of those calls --- 0958 EDT. The impact was just after 1003.
HERE are the othr calls:
9:30:32 - Thomas Burnett Jr, 28 seconds, call to his wife
9:35:40 - Sandy Bradshaw, 5 minutes, 53 seconds (353 seconds), call to United Airlines
9:37:03 - Mark Bingham, 2 minutes, 46 seconds (166 seconds), call to his mother
9:37:41 - Jeremy Glick, line left open (7,565 seconds)
9:37:53 - Thomas Burnett Jr, 62 seconds, called his wife
9:39:21 - Lauren Grandcolas, 46 seconds, call to her husband, left a message.
9:43:03 - Joseph DeLuca, 2 minutes, 10 seconds (130 seconds), called his parents
9:43:48 - Todd Beamer, line left open (3,925 seconds), spoke with GTE operator, Lisa Jefferson.
9:44:23 - Thomas Burnett Jr, 54 seconds, called his wife
9:46:05 - Linda Gronlund, 1 minute, 11 seconds (71 seconds), called her sister, Elsa Strong.
9:47:57 - CeeCee Lyles, 56 seconds, called her husband from an airphone.
9:49:12 - Marion Britton, 3 minutes, 52 seconds, called a friend, Fred Fiumano
9:50:04 - Sandy Bradshaw, 7 minutes, 50 seconds (470 seconds), call to her husband
9:53:43 - Honor Wainio, 4 minutes, 29 seconds (269 seconds), call to her parents
United 93 cellphone debunk
The other thing to know is the data from the Flight Recorder regarding the airplane altitude. By roughly ~0956 EDT the jet was down to 5,000 feet
MSL. It briefly climbed up to about 10,000 just prior to the final descent and impact, likely the climb was in response to the passenger's attempts
to take the cockpit.
What non-pilots don't seem to understand is in reference to altitudes. 'MSL' means Mean Sea Level. SO, when United 93 was at 5,000 feet, it was
only ~2,500 feet above the terrain, in that area. We use "AGL', or Above Ground Level to differentiate.
Do you think cellphones might work if only 2,500 feet above the celltowers???
Laurel Hill summit (~2,600 ft) is located ~14 miles to the west of the crash site, at the Westmoreland-Somerset County border. The cell tower is
owned by American Towers, which operates towers for the cell phone industry. This tower is 329 ft tall, located at 2701.9 ft, with an overall height
of 3060 ft. The second tower is also owned by American Towers
(see link for photo)
Near Jennerstown, ~10 miles to the west of the crash site, this tower is owned by Cingular Wireless. It has been here since 1997. The total height
of the tower is 275 ft, together with a ground elevation of 2210 ft, the overall height is 2500 ft. The second tower here is owned by Crown
Communications, which owns and operates cell towers, and has been here since 1997.
(see link for photo)
Combine the elevation of the land surface with the low flying altitude, the plane was flying only ~2500 feet above the ground when the cell phone
calls were made. For comparison, the World Trade Center north tower was ~1,368 feet tall. It's entirely reasonable that cell phones would work at
double that height.
Both phone calls only lasted 1-2 minutes, and then were dropped. That coincides with a sudden ascent up to ~10,000 feet that the aircraft made before
it then plummeted to the ground and crashed.
(same link)
Any questions???
MOST 9/11 misconceptions occur for very similar reasons. POOR analysis.
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