Similarities Between Bush & Obama.

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Bush got into college just fine because of grades.

Wrong, Bush was below Yale standards - his father bought him a studentship.

Obama earned his.

Research

But we decide which is right And which is an illusion. - from the poem Late Lament by Graeme Edge

This is a cached excerpt from a now closed forum on MSNBC:

Election '08: Obama needed help getting into Harvard Law School. He got it from a disciple of Saul Alinsky who shared the socialist agitator's belief in the radical change the young community organizer could embrace.

Obama doesn't talk much about his years at Columbia University and Harvard Law other than he attended both and was elected president of the Harvard Law Review. The reason may be his records at both were, to say the least, undistinguished.

According to the New York Sun, university spokesman Brian Connolly confirmed that Obama graduated from Columbia in 1983 with a major in political science but without honors. What his grades were we do not know. As the New York Times reported, "Obama declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student co-worker, roommate or friend from those years." - unknown author

How Obama got into Harvard...........Obama's McKnight In Shining Armor

It is very difficult to find information on our "man of mystery" president. And so I apologize for not having more widely accepted sources but I wouldn't expect that the information we are interested in would be allowed to be distributed by the MSM. That said, there are possibilities like this from the Neocon Latina blogsite:

Having established that Al-Mansour wanted Obama to get into Harvard Law, the next logical questions are: (i) who is Khalid Al-Mansour? and (ii) why did he want so badly for Obama to be accepted to Harvard Law?

The Man Who Got Obama Into Harvard Law School

And better than the blog entry, the YouTube clip of the interview:



Obama might be marginally brighter than "W". They both need teleprompters if not interpreters. Does the IQ of the bus driver matter on the highway to hell?

reply to post by ofhumandescent


Why are large portions of your post lifted directly from wiki?

Barack Obama, Sr.

You intended to [ ex ] tag that and provide proper credit, right?

And what's with your other posts quoting reams of material?


[edit on 7-9-2009 by loam]

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

bs there is no comparison.

If you want to argue, thats fine, but at least tell me about what. I dont understand the post.

reply to post by loam


I would submit that Obama has done more to harm this country in terms of failed domestic policy in his short 8 months than Bush did in 8 years.

I shudder to think of what Obama will do when he turns his attention to foreign policy.

Sometimes I think he is trying to mold this nation into a nation that would be acceptable to Chavez, etc. He wants to 'dress up the kids' before taking them out to church, in so many words.

reply to post by jsobecky


Let's not forget, the peril is not just Obama. It's huge portions of our population that have plain and simple lost their minds. That is why there is no real material difference in the two men.

I firmly believe in the principle of garbage in and garbage out. We are witnessing the manifestation of that principle in our governance.

The biggest surprise to me, i guess, is all of the hypocrisy...and the speed and scale of the decay.

What a shame.

Originally posted by loam
Let's not forget, the peril is not just Obama. It's huge portions of our population that have plain and simple lost their minds. That is why there is no real material difference in the two men.

Change predominantly comes from the people and not from a single Person who happens to be the President.

The mere fact that people are making the President responsible for all that happens in society is indicative of severe reality impairment, imo. In that sense I agree with your post.

Originally posted by loam
Wasn't Bush handed a "nation in turmoil" on nearly as many months?

Bush was not handed a nation in turmoil, he helped to create one...

I wonder if any employer would say they could not assess your performance after seven months on the job.

I am not assessing anyone's performance. I said a valid comparison could not be made. This isn't about looking at the job Obama has done, it's about comparing the two.

If you think an 8 year presidency compared to an 8 month presidency is fair, you are entitled to that opinion. I disagree.

Our political system seems like a good cop, bad cop routine.

The real Police Department are the International Corporatists and the small number of oligarchs that control them.

You are correct, despite all the overheated rhetoric to the contrary, the policies of Pres Obama are a continuance of the policies of Pres Bush.

Thanks for taking the time to point it out and source!! S&F

reply to post by Hemisphere
Research "Blue Blood True Blood" by Stewart Swerdlow The rabbit hole goes really deep on the "relationship issue".

Really deep.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Bush was not handed a nation in turmoil, he helped to create one...

M'kay.

So you would eliminate that distinction, returning us to the obvious parallel of the two men's similarity?



How ironic.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I am not assessing anyone's performance. I said a valid comparison could not be made.

Because you say it cant? If I get burned once, I don't need to touch the flame a second time even though the light is still very pretty.

If you feel you need eight years to make valid assessments between the two men, so be it. But some of us have a fairly accurate track record of making sound observations over far less time.

Hey, I hope, as I have said elsewhere, that things improve dramatically. But I see no real indication substantially favoring that outcome.

If that makes me unreasonably rash and pessimistic, then I say again, so be it.

From my perspective, I simply call it vigilance.



[edit on 7-9-2009 by loam]

reply to post by ofhumandescent


Frank Marshal Davis is Obama's real father .....

Frank Marshall Davis Obama claimed to have attended Columbia University in New York City from 1980 to 1983, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations. His mentor or guru was the right wing Russophobe, Zbigniew Brzezinski (born 1928), who was a professor in the school at that time. Brzezinski was national security adviser during the Presidency of Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981. - Niall Kilkenny on reformation.org

Zbigniew Brzezinski, there from the start, the apple doesn't fall far from the treason.

President Frank Marshall Davis Obama

But the Communist Party connection through Davis is even more ominous. Decades ago, the CPUSA had tens of thousands of members, some of them covert agents who had penetrated the U.S. Government. It received secret subsidies from the old Soviet Union.

You won't find any of this discussed in the David Mendell book, Obama: From Promise to Power. It is typical of the superficial biographies of Obama now on the market. Secret smoking seems to be Obama's most controversial activity. At best, Mendell and the liberal media describe Obama as "left-leaning."

But you will find it briefly discussed, sort of, in Obama's own book, Dreams From My Father. He writes about "a poet named Frank," who visited them in Hawaii, read poetry, and was full of "hard-earned knowledge" and advice. Who was Frank? Obama only says that he had "some modest notoriety once," was "a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes during his years in Chicago..." but was now "pushing eighty." He writes about "Frank and his old Black Power dashiki self" giving him advice before he left for Occidental College in 1979 at the age of 18.

This "Frank" is none other than Frank Marshall Davis, the black communist writer now considered by some to be in the same category of prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. In the summer/fall 2003 issue of African American Review, James A. Miller of George Washington University reviews a book by John Edgar Tidwell, a professor at the University of Kansas, about Davis's career, and notes, "In Davis's case, his political commitments led him to join the American Communist Party during the middle of World War II-even though he never publicly admitted his Party membership." Tidwell is an expert on the life and writings of Davis.

Is it possible that Obama did not know who Davis was when he wrote his book, Dreams From My Father, first published in 1995? That's not plausible since Obama refers to him as a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes and says he saw a book of his black poetry.

The communists knew who "Frank" was, and they know who Obama is. In fact, one academic who travels in communist circles understands the significance of the Davis-Obama relationship. - Cliff Kincaid, AIM columnist

What would have been the harm of Obama clearly identifying Davis in "Dreams From My Father"? I think we can make some educated guesses at the answer and sometimes humans cannot help themselves and thus the mention of "Frank" at all by Barrack. The word is hubris and both Bush and Obama have exhibited this arrogant attitude throughout their lives. One due to his genetic good fortune and the other due to his seeming genetic misfortune. Americans voted for Obama out of guilt and the illusion he was the anti-Bush. How many 48 year-olds have the chutzpah to write auto-biographies?

Obama’s Communist Mentor



Just for shnitz und giggles, what strikes you about this photograph? "Un bon croquis vaut mieux qu'un long discours." (A good sketch is better than a long speech.) - Napoleon Bonaparte

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
The American people were not only abused, they were MURDERED, by the 1000's, in order to forwad the Bush-Cheney agenda, already tucked in Cheney's briefcase even while they were awaiting the decision of the Supreme Court.

Yes, MURDERED.

Sorry, I dont subscribe to wahabist/jihadist hate-propaganda masking as "conspiracy-theories".

I would have prefered no war, but to go as far as calling those with a different opinion/view (namely the view of the necessity for defense) "murderers" is extremist.

[edit on 7-9-2009 by Skyfloating]

I was referring to September 11th, and the destruction of the twin towers, and offered this link to back up the claim and provide some evidence

www.ae911truth.org...

But really, when you look at those towers imploding and exploding and plummeting to the ground in little more time than it would take for a safe or a grand piano to traverse the same distance when dropped through nothing but AIR, it's plainly obvious what took place. And most of the people killed on 9/11 were killed when those buildings were destroyed.

reply to post by Hemisphere

Originally posted by Hemisphere


Just for shnitz und giggles, what strikes you about this photograph? "Un bon croquis vaut mieux qu'un long discours." (A good sketch is better than a long speech.) - Napoleon Bonaparte

I see Carter distancing himself from everyone to his right, each of whom he can't stand...

I see Clinton reflecting upon 'fun times' in the Oval Office...

I see Bush trying to upstage the 'new' guy with a near body tackle of a stance...

I see Obama amazed that he actually managed to get there...

And I see Senior Bush thinking all the same 'yahoos' still work at the White House.



What do you see?

[edit on 7-9-2009 by loam]

Finally, a place where sense is made. I am tired of the generic responses from mindless people being led by the masses. Thank you for such a thoughtful post.

Originally posted by loam

I see Carter distancing himself from everyone to his right, whom he can't stand...

I see Clinton reflecting upon fun times in the Oval Office...

I see Bush trying to upstage the 'new' guy with a near body tackle of a stance...

I see Obama amazed that he actually managed to get there...

And I see Senior thinking all the same yahoos still work at the White House.

What do you see?

I see much the same. We're talking about body language here. The "four whoresmen" are comfortable with each other. Carter by contrast is and was not connected, an outsider that slipped through. He was done in, politically speaking, much like JFK and Nixon. I've often said that Carter was a bad president but a good man. His actions leading to his election and now in private life point to his goodness. I don't agree with all of his views but I believe his motives were always righteous. I wish I could say that for the others.

reply to post by Hal9000

Ask someone who has lost a family member in this war if they care if you "misinterpret" someones feelings or not. I don't think it matters. You are too far removed from the events of the last administration to understand what happened. The bombs didn't drop on your house. Your house wasn't invaded in the middle of the night. These are the conditions which the Iraqis lived in.

If you understood how that was, you wouldn't be asking.

Now that indeed was a lecture.

Further, I do not understand why you keep responding the way you do. All I was stating was that the internet is quite difficult to convey a message, without a lot of assumptions being made about the opposing poster. Can you not agree that is is difficult? And that seeing someones face and expressions while conversing is way more "connective" or natural?

The root of the problem is that you can't see the root of the problem.

It should be expected that we could see different "roots" to the problems, since we are individuals.

You can't see that people died as a result of the previous administration, and that has yet to happen in the current administration. There is no comparison. That is the fact and nothing you can say will change that.

Oh I cannot see that people died as a result of the last administration? Well, you must know me better than I know me.

Please stop assuming you know me. Thanks.

Besides, people are dying during this administration. Yes, the previous administration effects carry over, but the war is still being waged. Obama could stop that, why doesn't he?

I do not advocate one side or the other. My standpoint is merely from an empathetic person.

Here is a clue. See how many people die as a result of a president's actions, and that should be an indicator. If it isn't, then it should be. The next time we are so eager to invade a country, we should learn from past mistakes.

Look. Why were the majority of the American people misled into a war? Due to the revenge attitude of the previous administration after the 9/11 attacks. Then, the previous administration somehow attributed Iraq with WMD's and possible contribution to the 9/11 attacks.

All of this is the act of misleading in my opinion. I hope you can agree with that. So, this right here should show you that the very act "misleading" can cause a whole slew of troubles, including war. Misleading should be seen as at least a stem of the problem.

So please inform me as to how I am the root of the problem. Me, just me?

We have lobbyists that sway congress, bankers who cause debt, corporations who make slave jobs to pay those debts, government incentives to join the military, etc.

If anything is the root of the problem, it is the lack of education, critical thinking, and sense of oneness with the earth.



Anyways...



[edit on 7-9-2009 by Unlimitedpossibilities]

reply to post by loam


Loam, I think what is hard to grasp for some of us is that the speed of the agenda has changed. Much like a pitcher following a change up low and away with a fastball under your chin. We might get the perception that Obama is young and vibrant and quick. Thus excusing and accepting the flood of permanent changes being pushed through. Nothing we're seeing is left to chance. The diversity of issues and the speed with which they are being addressed is not by chance. Two hundred twenty years in the making, eight years and a few months in the dismantling. I've alluded to it earlier, they are on the same team.

“I love these members, they get up and say, ‘Read the bill,’” said Conyers. “What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?” - Congressman John Conyers, Jr. Democrat from Michigan

Speed kills!

reply to post by OmegaPoint


I know what you were referring to. Ive been to ATS long enough and have read numerous threads on the theory. Im willing to entertain the theory. I am unwilling to call my fellow humans murderers on account of a theory.

[edit on 7-9-2009 by Skyfloating]

Seconds before this amazing photo all five presidents were shouting obscenities at each other and were about to exchange blows when the first ladies walked in.

Now we all know who the PTB really are!

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss! (or bosses)