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Short thread- How I faced off against JWs and basically won....

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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by miriam0566

Originally posted by undo
we have literally no idea what this guy is going through, whacking him over the head with scripture when he clearly already knows the scripture, is going to do what, precisely?


why else would god send 2 christians to his door to tell him exactly that?


God did not send them. JW's are not Christians.




posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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So let me see if I got this correct. You blame God for you not marrying your dream girl and getting your dream job and yada yada yada? Give me a break!

God didn't go to your interview or write your resume. God didn't propose or take this lady on any dates.

Everything that happens to you in this realm can't be brushed off your shoulders and onto the back of God. At some point you have to stop your boo hooing and stand up and take responsibility for your actions. "wasn't my actions NOT MY FAULT" yada yada. It wasn't God's fault. Seriously you think He's the one that interferes with our daily lives in this realm? You're pointing the blame in the wrong direction.

I hate to be harsh but you are stuck in your ways. No matter what I say concerning the bible or God you are going to be like a little kid and shake your head "nuh uh nuh uh nuh uh". That's the real reason "you can win any argument with religion". It's because you don't listen. You don't TRY to understand.


 
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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 02:01 PM
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Go back, read the last few posts, and then stick a reply on here like an imbecile. K?ThxBai



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 02:06 PM
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Why read a few posts when I have read the entire thread?

It's the same *snip* everytime. Don't point the blame at someone you don't even know (God).


 
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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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Obviously, you don't know God either, so quit telling me how to wizz in the wind!

[edit on 10-9-2009 by wylekat]



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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what have I said that is contradictory to God? You have closed off your heart and no longer listen/see. It is not God that toils in your daily life...it is the fallen angel Satan.

I don't know my God? Okay....sure......



 
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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 02:33 PM
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Confucius says: A man who wrestles with a pig in mud, only gets dirty, and the pig kinda likes it. I just crawled out of the sty concerning you, Agree2Disagree. I put up with people like you who think it's a contest to see how hard you can kick someone in the stomach, and then claim you 'Love' a deity only thislong. You wanna spout any more rhetoric, feel free- I don't have to look at it, tho. Ignore is such a wonderful thing.


The T&C on this site keep me from mentioning what you may go do- and I am not able to reference any farm animals in the suggestions. Have a NICE day!



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 02:38 PM
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Exactly my point. You are not "denying ignorance" you are denying anything contrary to your beliefs. [sarcasm]It's great that you can shelter yourself like that. [/sarcasm]

"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"

It's really fitting don't you agree??


 
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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 02:48 PM
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God did not send them. JW's are not Christians.

Agreed, but there's so many parallels, it's kinda weird. I never did like the religion- I cant explain why. it's something I cant quite put my finger on, but when my instincts start acting up, I listen. I had one time when I was going from airport to airport to airport when I was in the navy, and some berobed person tried to stick a book in my hand- I was on autopilot, and naturally reached at what was being shoved at me- and what happened next woke me RIGHT up- my entire hand and up to my elbow FROZE. As in stuck in a vat of dry ice froze. I yelled (it HURT!) and yanked my hand back, and freaked this guy OUT. I'm standing there rubbing my hand and arm to try to get warmth back in it, and Mr Robes backing away very, very slowly....

I tend to listen when crap like that happens. I only agreed to them showing up, because I knew I was well prepared to counter anything they could say. I rarely take on religious characters, because it's like fighting a blob of dough- no matter what kind of impression you try to make, it fades right out like it never existed, and the dough don't care.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:08 PM
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there are reasons that god allows suffering temporarily.


Needless to say you would define temporary as a lifetime



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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many prayers have been answered for me. but i realised that they all fell into the above criteria


In all probability they would fall into the category "Coincidence"!



the problem with prayers is that many people forget that




sometimes there are things more important than us. - that god is working toward something



How is it possible for an omniscient/omnipresent/omnipotent (the alpha and the omega )being to be working toward something when, everything is ,there can be no there ?



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 03:24 PM
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its not all no. its yes, just later


That reminds me so much of this video, lets ask Wylekat to pray to the jesusyawhe god and to the milk jug see what happens,

When not try it yourself Miriam see how you get on




posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 04:09 PM
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well i must say your experience sounds so similar to the one i was going through before i went in the coma. the doctors didn't notice the symptoms of the onset of encephalitis either. they thought i just had a bad case of the flu. even when i could no longer see where i was walking (blind from infection in optic center of brain). they couldn't isolate out the bacteria or virus that might have been causing it. (it was gulf war syndrome .. .we theorize it was from japanese tick borne encephalitis vaccine that was given to the guys/gals in the military during first war with saddam. it was apparently contagious and spread via intimate contact with some people acting as carriers of it, while others were dying from it or nearly dying from it within months of the return of the troops)

you should perhaps seek out a dootor of natural medicine who could arrange for you to get the tests for LYMES disease, since it identifies mycoplasms and that's the key infectious ingredient in this form of encephalitis and also in Lymes. or there's a doctor in california who has a series of tests you can take to determine if it's Gulf war syndrome.

mycoplasmic infections are hard to diagnose. the tests required to isolate it are different than standard blood tests. you could seriously ill right now and the doctor would not be able to identify it unless he knew what he was looking for (and most don't run tests for mycoplasmic infections).


here's website of dr garth nicolson . .read up on it and see if you think the symptoms sound familar

www.immed.org...



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 04:11 PM
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That reminds me so much of this video, lets ask Wylekat to pray to the jesusyawhe god and to the milk jug see what happens,


Ya know... I saw that video, and how Christians present God, it's EXACTLY how this video puts it. It's honestly and truly the same way some gamblers attribute random chance to their 'dice or cards being 'hot'. While I don't have the math side of probabilities under my belt, I can 'feel' my way thru it with a great deal of competence. And- when you're given 3 states, and these 3 states seem to be random, THEY PROBABLY ARE. If Believer a, Non believer 2, and Satan worshiper x all get the same results on identical things... Something's pretty wrong. Satan running the planet or not. In fact, if Satan's running things, the non believers and such should be MUCH better off, and they aint! It's- well- RANDOM. For the most part. Then, there's people like me... who are put thru a special, really freaky reality....


My only thing is- when the milk jug doesn't answer prayers- you can drink it before it turns to cheese... Like I stated a few posts back- there's crap attached that I haven't a clue what the heck's going on. However, the 'Christian' Way of doing business isn't denting the Twilight Zone end of things one bit, and in fact, it's making it WORSE. I have something chewing on my little slice of reality, and it's not behaving according to their 'Satan's powerless, God's all powerful and Good' advertising.

Look at it this way- I gave you the milk jug, and say 'pray to it'. Suddenly, and without any reasonable, logical way to do so (it's put in a tub of ice for this hypothetical purpose) it heats up, and boils merrily away- melting the ice, the jug, and making a mess. All lab tests show it was plain, ordinary milk- nothing was added to it, there was no heat source, nothing. Your reaction to the whole thing would be be completely, totally stumped and not a little freaked out, no? That's what I got going on. Things that aren't making any sense, that have no RIGHT to make sense, are happening- and there's not one single solid answer as to why. The Christian faith utterly has failed explaining it. So has the Wiccan side of things (yes, I asked a practicing one. Fun moment, her reaction was the same as the Christians'-
) If I didn't keep some semblance of a sense of humor about this, I'd have killed myself some time ago. I have done my own research, even on mental problems (and then, this thing grew legs and did some EXTERNAL shenanigans- including someone who knows me, and not my ex at all having an exact duplicate of my usual dream).

I noticed, no one had so much as a 'well, here's your problem' with that long, long, long post I had- It's the usual business I face when I let loose and reveal what's bothering me with faith and religion in general. Faced with crap like this, I can bring anyone to their knees, I guess. I don't blame or fault anyone for not being able to answer it- be happy that you're not the only ones to stare and go "what the *!(@*$$...." People who should HAVE answers don't. I am talking, they studied and know more than the average bear- and they start to back away while
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posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 05:02 PM
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My immune, creative, and cognitive faculties work pretty darn well. Not only that, this mess HAS been experienced by someone else at least once (someone who knows me but never met my ex described a dream with her in it, described how she looked, everything), and my friend who went with me at Disney DID see my ex- for the split second I pointed her out and then ran for my life.

While I point out stuff that would make any sci fi writer wanna rub his hands in glee at the prospect of selling it to the Twilight Zone folks or the Outer Limits folks, and any psychiatrist sweat- I also point out that I at first thought I was having some sort of mental breakdown. Then... stuff started to just get weird. Even my cats knew when I was going to be put thru the wringer, I would have both of them take up guard positions on the bed- and I only noticed the connection after a few nights of having to put up with an occasional cat tail shoved up my nose.
When I was going to have a nice, normal night's sleep, they'd just go find a spot, crash, and next morning, someone may or may not have piled on in with me. When I'd be having these dreams about my ex, I had a 2 cat escort to bed, and both of them on either side, and on the nights I began to notice- in the semi dark (from the outside security lighting) 2 sets of heads swiveling like radar dishes. Depending on how bad the dream was - thrashing, the now permanent wrist injury I got from decking the bed, ect- I'd wake up to both cats, still in the room, but perched on the side table and the dresser, and staring at me with what could only be called concern, or STILL right beside me, looking just as paranoid as when I went to bed. If this was some sort of infection, I don't think I'd be getting bookended by 2 animals who think my only function is to feed, pet, and clean out their litter box. Recently, they have been taking up these spots when I am awake as well. I have to watch where I put my chair, where I stick my feet, if there's a body when I need to stretch....


When I am sick, I get the usual pity from these 2 (NONE
)- so whatever this is- this isn't me having an infection. This is something they sense, and do not react well to. And what really throws me, it's something they have a REAL NEED to protect me from! These are 2 cats, that I am sure if I was dying, they'd want me to fill up the food bowls or at least leave the bag opened before I finally keeled over!


I at least know for a fact this isn't something just going on up in that dusty attic I call a mind, this is something tangible enough to be picked up by my cats. What- I STILL am unsure. What's worse- the dreams I had detailing her life... ummm got proven true by someone who (I did NOT ask to!) decided to go on a fact finding mission. After 1 round of that, I told him if he ever went and found out anything else, whether I dreamed it or not, I was gonna beat him over the head with the first blunt object I could lay hands on.
I also decided to keep my big, fat mouth SHUT afterwards, too! The stress did absolutely nothing for me, and the stress of this crap being true made me almost capable of scaling the walls!



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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i thought it was something else too. i had no idea the problem was biological. it presented itself as incomprehensibly twilight zone-ish. when i tried to explain it, people around me who weren't sick, would tell me it sounded strange but nearly impossible. it started with the disappearance of items from my clothing drawer and got worse from there. escalating strangeness. in some cases, i even had eyewitnesses, but no one seemed to realize that somehow my malfunctioning brain was manifesting some of the strange in the first place. when hubby finally took me to the hospital after several days of migraines (and i don't get headaches), the hospital admitted me because my personal doctor had recommended it. by that night, i was in a coma. by the next day, i was no longer breathing. and they had to transfer me to the neural critical care unit.

anyway, even if it may not seem like it's biological, if you begin to manifest physical symptoms, please consider what i've said here and get yourself tested.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 05:21 PM
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Well dude sounds as though you got some real crap going on there and religion will defo not bring you answers.

The satan character is BS, you know it, I know it, we all know it but some are too afraid to admit it coz they badly need it.

You seem to be looking for explanation outside of yourself why exactly is all this crap happening to you ?

More importantly how do you change it ?

Perhaps the first step is to acknowledge that you can't do anything about what 's done so if you f#### up observe it look at it deeply without guilt or embarrassment, 2 things that xtianity very often plants deep into the subconscious.

You have to have an empty canvas to start repainting you life mate, reliving the crap here only instills the situation deeper in your psyche.
When s##t decides to happen observe it but don't focus on it, you seem to be attracting stuff that you didn't mean to.

Try thinking in pictures not english see how you get on.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 05:42 PM
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now let's not be hasty. i tend to believe the various ancient texts of the world are reporting real events not fairy tales, and many of them share a similar "tricky" entity, that the scripture refers to as the accuser. it's amazing to me that people could ignore some 5000 years of human history as if it never happened!



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 09:54 PM
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Hmmmm.... while running tonight I thought about what "undo" had written concerning the possibility that you might have a medical condition that is affecting your thinking.

Have your thyroid checked. Simple blood test. Untreated thyroid disease can be devastating to both mind and body. Do it.



posted on Sep, 10 2009 @ 11:24 PM
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It's been several years, and my only symptoms are the ones from the stress of dealing with it. To be perfectly honest, I WISH it was biological. Gawd- to have a reasonable explanation for it- after I got out of treatments, I'd be doing cartwheels!

I did read that link, and no- physically, I am in good health, Last year, I had a spider bite turn into that MRS or whatever those 3 letters were crap- took me a week to realize I didn't simply whang my elbow and mebbe gave myself a fracture (not to mention I was nowhere near a hospital at all), came thru that with flying colors after antibiotics, all I had was swelling- Skin didn't even break. Confused the doctor a bit... supposedly, it was to have done an overripe melon on me and split, and be somewhere between a horror show and completely disgusting. All I ended up with was being a little loonier than usual- I thought I was sick with the flu- and being cranky.

I have a bad back, and that brings me no joy... but this other... It's not anything 'infection based'. I wish it was- then it could be cured, and it'd go away.



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