Obama Aide Van Jones Resigns After GOP Attacks, page 4

reply to post by mental modulator

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Thats not the point, the point is Righties are making it seems as if this practice is new.

The practice of appointing 30+ czars in 6 months *is* new to America.

No doubt because Czar falls hand and hand with the Totalitarian Obama dictatorship
and yields itself to rural xenophobia.

'Rural xenophobia'? What's that - an attempt to disparage the opposition, MM?

The elite, the 'enlightened' have had their lunch eaten. By a bunch of hicks.

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by schrodingers dog

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So what does that tell ya?

That I'm too old to keep playing "Whac-A-Mole" with politicians and their appointees ...

[edit on 6 Sep 2009 by schrodingers dog]

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by mental modulator

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Regardless this does not change the fact the other administrations have done the same thing, however this is the only time I have seen such backlash to the practice.

You're talking about the practive of appointing czars, right?

The fact is, Obama has acted like a pig with his pratices. He has appointed more czars than any other administration, with no end in sight.

A good way to evade congressional appointment and oversight. That's exactly what he is doing. Most of these czars, if required to go through an appointment process, would never make it past the first round.

Obama has appointed almost 60 "czars," and is not even close to filling his Cabinet and second-tier appointments for want of legitimate candidates.

The ones I've described are unqualified for their positions. Browner - "global gov't, and Socialist International; Holdren - eugenecist and de-industrialist; Zeke Emanuel - allocation of health care and denial of care to the infirm/non-productive; Sunstein - taxaholic: "There is no liberty without dependency;" Jeff Jones (his Apollo Alliance wrote the 'stimulus bill') SDS and Weather Underground founder; knows Obama like his hand & says: "These various initiatives will collectively set the nation on a path towards redistributing financial resources downward. ... His (Obama's) centrist appointments are a smokescreen; they co-opt the moderate center. Even Lenin would be impressed!”


reply to post by schrodingers dog

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If he did cause people to lose their lives ( debatable ) it was because of incompetence. If VJ had the chance, he would do it out of hatred and racism.

HE did not cause lost lives, the N.O. mayor and La. governor and their ineptitude caused almost all of the immediate harm.

As for Bush's "czars," Gen. Lute was kept on by Obama and his wife was made a member of the UN delegation.

Tobias WAS "AIDS czar" and was responsible for delivering BILLIONS in aid to Africa for AIDS relief. ALL of the others, and the 2 Reaganites, were eminently qualified for their positions at the time of their appointments, WERE VETTED, and passed Democrat and MSM scrutiny!

Obama's can't even qualify on their merits, much less hide from their pasts.

jw

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by mental modulator

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Thats not the point, the point is Righties are making it seems as if this practice is new.

The practice of appointing 30+ czars in 6 months *is* new to America.

No doubt because Czar falls hand and hand with the Totalitarian Obama dictatorship
and yields itself to rural xenophobia.

'Rural xenophobia'? What's that - an attempt to disparage the opposition, MM?

The elite, the 'enlightened' have had their lunch eaten. By a bunch of hicks.

There you go that is fact - I like that much better as it is honest.

The second part-

No, I just know the GOP uses peoples small town mentalities to their advantage, they don't like change and they don't trust "outsiders". The word Czar refers to something
Soviet, as we all know the Soviet Union was OUR mortal enemy for decades.
This word is used LIBERALLY to `appeal to this anti Soviet notion that has been
instilled in us. This is direct pandering to small town "eagle exalting" Americans
who have been programed like the rest of us (rightfully so) to hate soviet notion, this is further compounded by small town mentalities.

It is clear to me that using the word CZAR is a tactic in the larger strategy to erode BO's presidency with a constant whisper campaign, with the small town mentality being the primary distribution point of the campaign.

This is the Partisan Political plan as it has always been, garner opposition by using
the word SOCIALIST and garner opposition by waving flags and eagles. Just like the BEATLES were SOCIALISTS been going on for decades, so lets be honest here.

Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by schrodingers dog

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First of all, I am very glad this man resigned his position. By no means did he have any business working for the White House.

Meh, either way another mole head (see above post) will take his place. This latest strategy of attacking individual soldiers of the opposition is as apt and effective against the ptb as trench warfare is to a nuclear war.

On a side note, didn't Palin claim to resign due to attacks from the left? And that they were interfering with her ability to perform as governor and were costing too much money for defense?

Sure ... other than the fact that one was elected by the people and the other wasn't.

Can't remember exactly. But if that's the case, to those saying Van Jones' resignation was due to GOP attacks, do you feel the same towards Palin? Does it disgust you in the same way? Why would you transfer the blame to the GOP for Van Jones' resignation but not feel the same way for Palin's resignation?

Well, I for one am not disgusted. If anything it has revealed to me the identity of staunch patriots on ATS, whom I am sure will be just as thorough in their righteous defense of the republic no matter which party is in power.

reply to post by schrodingers dog

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Ah thanks for your response. Sorry, my above response was a general response to the thread and other posters but I used the reply to tag to you since you were the OP. But thanks for answering. lol I'll go edit it out so it doesn't confuse anyone.

Originally posted by cenpuppie
reply to post by esdad71

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First off, don't be offended by what i am trying to convey..just read.


You see what really ticks me off is that people are trying to hang this dude out to dry when they don't know about Reganomics (they won't say anything bad about him), J Edgar Hoover, or Storm Thermen (i butchered his name i know. Hell, i don't even know if i got his name right, lol. Anyways, he was a notorious racist against black but admitted to having an affair and having a child with his black maid).

Personally to me, it seems like when someone criticizes black people especially on this forum a majority of folks on ATS don't necessarily agree but they feel the OP, if you don't believe me then read the posts on ATS when dealing with ethnic based issues. But when the shoe is on the other foot, everyone condemns it, this is why as a black guy, i pretty much try to avoid these racially charged issues.

Let's just agree to disagree and move on.

White men in this country are not ignored, they are lazy. So is any hispanic, black or other minority that does not take the time to see what is available to him. There are mentors in EVERY community. Break the cycle.

My problem in his speech is this, and as a black man you should appreciate my concern. He states that black kids don't indiscriminately shoot up schools but are more picky with their targets. What the hell does this mean? That we should be more concerned about whiny rich kids who have no parents around or the black kid in downtown Detroit who has no dad and lives with auntie and deals crack? They are BOTH equal in my eyes.

This man if he was white or black in my eyes would not be a firm choice as a non vetted member of any cabinet.

Lets agree to find a common ground and move on together, otherwise you are no better than he n this case.

reply to post by Mailman

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Expectations are the building blocks of disappointment.

reply to post by schrodingers dog

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Personally I didnt expect much, I guess you could also say the same thing about broken promises.

reply to post by HunkaHunka

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I am not a D or an R. I've seen the tapes of this guy saying exactly what he is accused of and viewed the website where he signed on to the Truthers.

Are you aware when he signed on to the Truthers he was called and it was confirmed he understood what he is doing? Now he lies and said he did not understand what he was signing. He lies to us and he lied to the Truthers and threw them under the bus.

You should pick your battles more carefully.

By the way, he is still working for Obama, he is just no longer a Czar. Would I be wrong to point that out? Obama must agree with him or he would send him packing. That was confirmed by Obama's Press Secretary when asked. It slipped under most peoples radar.

reply to post by schrodingers dog

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Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by schrodingers dog

So what does that tell ya?

That I'm too old to keep playing "Whac-A-Mole" with politicians and their appointees ...

Well now at least your signature is starting to make sense.

You're downplaying this as no big deal, nothing new here, move along.

Well, sorry, you're wrong. Wars are won one battle at a time. And yes, there is a war going on....for our country and what it stands for.

It is a precursor for many battles to be fought in the next few years, including Cap and Trade, amnesty, localism, and others.

He had a minor victory with the stimulus and omnibus bills. But even there, the battle is still not over.

ACORN has received more stimulus money than small businesses in America.

This corruption must stop.

And we haven't even begun to address foreign policy.

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by schrodingers dog

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You're downplaying this as no big deal, nothing new here, move along.

Not at all, it isn't a big deal to ME, but if I thought it wasn't a big deal I wouldn't have made a thread on it.

Well, sorry, you're wrong. Wars are won one battle at a time.

How would we know that ... but for the metaphor when was the last time the people ever won a war against the string pullers? Nope, I am afraid until we identify those, all of these battles are but an illusion being waged by the wagged from masters they do not know, with useless weapons, and on the wrong front.

But like I've said many times to folks of all political ideologies and persuasions ... by all means, soldier on if you feel that it is important.

And yes, there is a war going on....for our country and what it stands for.

True enough, but as pointed out above, most couldn't find it if they were sitting on it ... that's not a metaphor, that is in fact what is happening . Folks are sitting on a time bomb but focusing on the shiny keys dangled before them.

It is a precursor for many battles to be fought in the next few years, including Cap and Trade, amnesty, localism, and others.

He had a minor victory with the stimulus and omnibus bills. But even there, the battle is still not over.

ACORN has received more stimulus money than small businesses in America.

This corruption must stop.

And we haven't even begun to address foreign policy.

Ok.

reply to post by esdad71

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My problem in his speech is this, and as a black man you should appreciate my concern. He states that black kids don't indiscriminately shoot up schools but are more picky with their targets. What the hell does this mean? That we should be more concerned about whiny rich kids who have no parents around or the black kid in downtown Detroit who has no dad and lives with auntie and deals crack? They are BOTH equal in my eyes.

I agree with what you said, 100% I think what he's trying to say (not my opinion) that white kids will try to kill everybody while a black will try to kill only the kid(s) they are trying to kill. Your right, it doesn't make any sense at all when you think about it, a body is a body.

However, if he is resigning to due to what he says, then ALL congressmen and women that say something that others perceive as racist should resign.

reply to post by Helghast1

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You took the words out of my mouth as I read the headline....

"Attacks".....How about after the GOP exposed the truth? LOL. So funny, defeating the libs with the TRUTH. The things this man said, and Obama's camp didn't know? Riiiiight. Just shows...these Czars are not being vetted....

Another one bites the dust.

Originally posted by sos37
reply to post by HunkaHunka

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WHAT-EVER! If this were a Republican resigning and Fox news blamed "Democratic attacks" as the cause you would be slandering Fox news and saying the Republican got what he deserved.

You can't sit there and assume what I would say in a hypothetical situation and pass it off as support of your argument. That would be like me defecating and calling it gold.

This guy got caught with his pants down. And it was on tape. And you just can't admit that a Democrat screwed up - OHHHH NO... It's the REPUBLICANS fault because they attack EVERYTHING.

Yeah.. I do admit it... The guy doesn't need to be in the job.

Do I think he should have been vetted more? Maybe in hindsight. I don't know how this man conducts himself around others, he may come off as a very passionate man. I just don't think that in a Liberal administration, that the process of vetting whether someone is a 9/11 truther or not is anywhere on a list. So it's not exactly a failure of the administration in my book. Hell there are child molesters found as principals of elementary schools every day! You just don't know sometimes until evidence presents itself.

I was actually starting to think you had an open mind, hunka, but this proves you are nothing but a disgusting shill for Democrats.

*sigh* really? Ad hominem attacks SOS? Come now, you are better than that.

I don't think you were reading my posts.

I never supported Van Jones...

I responded to someone who said claimed that the use of the phrase "GOP Attacks" was hyperbole.

When in fact, yes both sides have scum bags that attack at every angle, but no one has seen the machine that Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter and their cult followers compose. The only thing I was defending was the use of the term "GOP Attacks" as a fair assessment.

Didn't the former Mrs California say the same thing? She said if it were not for the "Attacks from the left" her crown would have never been questioned. And she was right that her exposure on such a large stage and divisive question generated attacks. I blame Perez Hilton for that.

In this case, it was the GOP Attacks (which happen no matter what the admin does) which brought this to light. It's not exactly a win for them, as much as it is just the fact that a broken clock is right twice a day.

I suppose some people believe that when both sides are on the attack, that there is somehow a virtue of supervision which results out of this, because folks like Van Jones fall out of the deck. But I'm not such an inquisitor. I believe that the costs of the constant witch-hunt far outweigh whatever benefits can come from it.

But then again, I also believe that the benefits of torture do not cover the costs either.




[edit on 7-9-2009 by HunkaHunka]

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