Video: Bush and Reagan school addresses were very partisan compared to Obama school speech

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Ok then you fail.

YOu have failed to show me any Channel one news footage or maybe some (God forbid) Bus Radio sound bites of former presidents addressing captive audiences.

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. Many of you obamanaughts are no different from the neocon nazis.

You two groups should hold hands and sing kom-by-ya as this nation fails.

You just refuse to accept that indoctrinating a captive audience with political rhetoric is wrong because you man says so as opposed to the opponents.

Jeeze lousie man. Get over party politics!

BE honest. Think for yourself and not for your party. AND UNDERSTAND THAT EXPLOITING CAPTIVE AUDIENCES IS WRONG!

Originally posted by titorite
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Ok then you fail.

YOu have failed to show me any Channel one news footage or maybe some (God forbid) Bus Radio sound bites of former presidents addressing captive audiences.

We had just got Channel 1, if it makes you feel any better, the CNN coverage of it was shown on the same TV's as channel one in my school.

I thought I showed you proof...

volokh.com...

On WESTLAW, I looked up other news stories about the speech. It was reported as 10 minutes in some reports and 12 minutes in others. It was carried live on CNN, PBS, and [the NBC] and Mutual radio [networks]. The Secretary of Education sent a letter urging schools to have their students watch, but I didn’t find any evidence of how many schools followed that recommendation. And most striking: Bush laid out goals — to increase the graduation rate, improve student competency and better prepare students for entering school — and said, "Let me know how you're doing. Write me a letter. I'm serious about this one. Write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals."

Here are some excerpts:

10/1/91 USA TODAY

President Bush takes to the airwaves today to promote his education goals, a day after the Education Department released a bleak report on students' achievement. Bush is scheduled to make a noontime speech to be carried live by CNN, PBS and Mutual Radio. He'll speak from Alice Deal Junior High School, in Washington's affluent suburb of Chevy Chase, Md.

10/2/91 Cincinnati Post

Bush told students to write him to let him know how they were doing in school and to suggest ways to help achieve his national education goals — to increase the graduation rate, improve student competency and better prepare students for entering school.

10/4/91 Washington Times

Majority Leader Richard Gephardt said Wednesday the Education Department was financing "paid political advertising" by paying technical costs of broadcasting the president's 12-minute speech from Alice Deal Junior High School. . . .

Public Broadcasting Service and Cable News Network televised the speech live and Mutual Radio carried it on its network. Educators had been alerted by mail to encourage classroom viewing.

10/2/91 Baltimore Sun

Yesterday was one of those occasions White House image-makers love.

They gave their boss the hated task of reading a prepared speech from TelePrompTers but put him into one of his favorite places to do it — a small classroom.

Walking casually around the room as he spoke, President Bush gently exhorted 27 rapt eighth-graders — and pupils watching his televised performance throughout the nation — to take control of their own destinies by making sure they get the most out of school.

The effect was part bully pulpit, part campaign ad. Mr. Bush was simultaneously employing the power of his office in the drive to improve American education and making another bid to focus voter attention on what he considers the centerpiece of his domestic agenda.

"I'm asking you to put two and two together," Mr. Bush told Cynthia Mosteller's history class at Alice Deal Junior High School in Northwest Washington. "Make the connection between the homework you do tonight, the tests you take tomorrow, and where you'll be five, 15, even 50 years from now. . . . You're in control." . . .

In one of the few ad-libbed lines of his 10-minute appearance, the president added: "I can't understand for the life of me what's so great about being stupid."

Mr. Bush's speech was part of a broader effort to promote the goals of America 2000, a program that calls for vast improvements in student learning levels by the end of the century. With little new money to put toward the cause, the Bush administration has focused on encouraging students, parents and communities to pressure their schools to meet higher standards.

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. Many of you obamanaughts are no different from the neocon nazis.

Ok, so you actually do espouse the same beliefs as Glenn Beck?

You two groups should hold hands and sing kom-by-ya as this nation fails.

You just refuse to accept that indoctrinating a captive audience with political rhetoric is wrong because you man says so as opposed to the opponents.

Jeeze lousie man. Get over party politics!

That's my whole point here!

Hannity and Glenn Beck and the rest of the folks who claim this is a disgrace are only saying that BECAUSE of the party politics!

BE honest. Think for yourself and not for your party. AND UNDERSTAND THAT EXPLOITING CAPTIVE AUDIENCES IS WRONG!

I don't have a party, other than intellectual honesty.

Obama speaking to my son in Public school is no different than Bush and Ronnie speaking to me when I was in school.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


...and now comes the part where everyone opposed to this speech totally ignores what you just posted and continues on their hysterically ways. You said it. Total lack of intellectual honesty.

[edit on 6-9-2009 by xEphon]

reply to post by HunkaHunka


NO wait Hunka, Your poor progressive school showed you every shuttle launch LIVE and all the Channel one programing, Now you only suddenly got it Channel one??

And I suppose you teachers asked you to write Regan?


Maybe you should visit RATS. Maybe you have no idea what teachers think about the current state of affairs. May you love Democrats above intellectual honesty. Maybe I should go watch Fuax news and worship Bleck???



Their is an issue here.

One your down playing and marginalizing.


You keep saying this and that in the name of intellectual honest but please just be honest.


I never watched these speechs on channel one. And I was in the prime test group. 1989-1990-1991-1992. York Jr High. Spring School district. And thats as much info as you get.

Your repeating facts from another source that aren't true facts. LET THE FALSE HOODS GO.

Originally posted by titorite
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

NO wait Hunka, Your poor progressive school showed you every shuttle launch LIVE and all the Channel one programing, Now you only suddenly got it Channel one??

Once again, I would hardly call a DIV 4 school in Ohio progressive.

I lived in a rather low income farming community that was left over from the days of the railroads.

We only got Channel 1 in 1991. And yes we watched some shuttle launches. Specifically the challenger, as the Teacher on board came from our neighboring state.

And I suppose you teachers asked you to write Regan?

No... just Bush.

Maybe you should visit RATS. Maybe you have no idea what teachers think about the current state of affairs. May you love Democrats above intellectual honesty. Maybe I should go watch Fuax news and worship Bleck???

Why do you think, because I am clamoring for intellectual honesty that I like democrats? I don't... but I try to make it a rule not to hate on anyone.

Their is an issue here.

One your down playing and marginalizing.


You keep saying this and that in the name of intellectual honest but please just be honest.


I never watched these speechs on channel one. And I was in the prime test group. 1989-1990-1991-1992. York Jr High. Spring School district. And thats as much info as you get.

You didn't read my post. They were not aired on channel one. They were aired on CNN, PBS, and a couple others. We watched them on CNN in my school.

Your repeating facts from another source that aren't true facts. LET THE FALSE HOODS GO.

Good grief

Originally posted by xEphon
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

...and now comes the part where everyone opposed to this speech totally ignores what you just posted and continues on their hysterically ways. You said it. Total lack of intellectual honesty.

[edit on 6-9-2009 by xEphon]

I didn't think it could be true... but alas it is...


Good call...

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
The stench of hypocrisy coming from the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh, and Beck is enough to make a grown man cry. They are doing and saying anything to get back at the party that defeated them in the elections. Like Skeptic Overlord said: damn the union, the GOP have their long knives out. So now the President of the United States can't even address the students of the United States without being attacked for it. These men do NOT represent the news in any way, shape, or form. They are propagandists pure and simple.

I can't see the OP (deservedly, ignored). I can read the headline and the other posts though...

This is not ANY OTHER President. Whenever it suits them they claim

"This is History in the making"

.

Yet, when Obama tries to just be a President (BTW it still looks like he's campaigning) and do something that other Presidents have accomplished, he stumbles miserably.

Why? I'll lay some of it out... and I know that I'm not alone.

Because this guy (not a man) has done so much additional devastation beyond what any other President has done ... In less than 10 months I might add ... That he has lost the confidence of not only the right (who cares huh) but the Democrats are seeing through his crooked politics.

He claimed that he would bring our country together. What an outright baldfaced lie! He and his administration (Van Jones included) have done more to polarize this nation than ANYONE EVER!!... This thread is yet another example. A leader will figure out how to repair this. He isn't. and he won't. He has NO interest in that any more than any other promise that he's blatantly broken.

If one is able to sense fear... He is the guy that can strike fear into many. He's not up front, he doesn't intend to ever be... So everything he proposes from here on out will be looked at as an attack against Americans. I wonder why?

He's also taking some of the disdain that people feel for Congress. Since they are barely listening in many areas.

If you are trying to catch a babe, be unpredictable, be mysterious, if you are trying to ruin? run a country, instill absolute confidence of your next move and of all of your intentions. Be upfront and predictable.

Since no one really knows this chump and he won't allow anything to be released... of course the public is tense over his next move, and if it's towards our kids GTFAway. He could be hiding Child Molesting charges or convictions for all we know.


[edit on 9·6·09 by DrMattMaddix]

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Once again, I would hardly call a DIV 4 school in Ohio progressive.

I can dissect posts too. Can you review? In your reply you make it out as though your poor school district is cunning edge then in the next reply your district is super poor and behind the times.

You did not research Channel one at all did you?

Channel one came online in 1989. Went national 1990. You say you watched this and that and every shuttle launch? I say you are exaggerating!

You dont like it? TOUGH! Deal with reality cookies!

I lived in a rather low income farming community that was left over from the days of the railroads.
We only got Channel 1 in 1991. And yes we watched some shuttle launches. Specifically the challenger, as the Teacher on board came from our neighboring state.

Yeah I was there THE DAY AFTER TOO! Watched it on Nightline. What can I say? I was A weird one. Funny thing, Challenger was in 86. Channel One and school sponsored news was not till 89-90. Funny that manipulation of truth on your end as far as what you saw in school and when!!

Why do you think, because I am clamoring for intellectual honesty that I like democrats? I don't... but I try to make it a rule not to hate on anyone.

I think so because you have focused you negative attention on republicans and your positive attention on democrats. You have also made party politics a point whereas I Give a Flying flip about your party their party or third parties I SAY !BLANK! Political Parties!

That is my opinion on the whole twettle dee twettle dum issue.


NOW THEN

I Read your posting. But you still fail to read mine.

Post me a channel one link.

Oh I saw your faux news links that you used to support your side and I watched you CNN links that can jog your memories but not mine or anyone elses before this posting.... Strange that. I never saw that special CNN footage that you were privileged to in your special "poor" Public school.

You can remember Channel One but you got special privileges Houston school districts did not get.

OK Fine buddy. What ever you say.

I shall let you have the last word because I can see I have no other choice.
You remember things happening your way in your favor according to you. Regan addressed all the kids in school during school time according to you and Bush SR ask the kids to write him according to you....

Thanks for all the links to the same biased page and thanks for you absolute intellectual honesty you pride yourself on.






[edit on 6-9-2009 by titorite]

reply to post by HunkaHunka


What are you talking about? The democrats and media went ape poop during both of their speech to schools. So who is the hypocrite here? Is it Republicans who raising an issue, or is it the democrats and media for being selective about who it supports in these matters?

By the way, Channel 1 was excessively left wing. Look at the anchors from the show. They all became left wing media propagandists. It was no different when we were forced to watch it in the classroom.

You guys are great at finding hypocrisy of Hannity and Beck, but seemingly fail to notice the same hypocrisy from everyone else You're just being selective about who's hypocrisy you'll acknowledge.

www.examiner.com...

"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students." - Majority Leader, U.S. House of Representatives

Finally, the leader of the Democrat party is on record regarding the President's speech to America's school children. Refreshing, isn't it? Well, don't get too excited. These words were spoken by Rep. Dick Gephardt (D-MO) in response to a speech that was given by President George H. W. Bush in 1991, and he wasn't alone in his objections:

It is outrageous for the White House to "start using precious dollars for campaigns" when "we are struggling for every silly dime we can get" for education programs. - Rep. Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo.)

If Bush feels obliged to use government funds to hire outside consultants "to make him look good," then he should fire some of the public relations experts on the White House payroll. "Then the president might be more sympathetic to unemployment benefits." - Rep. Martin Frost (D-TX)

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The nutjobs who are so upset about THEIR PRESIDENT giving a speech to students of America aren't the most intelligent creatures around. They need a reason to be angry at Obama.

It's just how it is. Republicans need to be angry at Democrats while Democrats need to be angry at Republicans.

Sadly, these idiots will never grow up.

[edit on 6-9-2009 by GorehoundLarry]

reply to post by titorite


I never claimed we were cutting edge.... watching shuttle launches on a tv is hardly cutting edge.


believe what you will...

The hypocrisy of the right is staggering. Clinton was reviled for being a "draft dodger."
Cheney got 5 deferments and is a right wing God. Bush got bumped ahead of hundreds of others to get a cushy Air Nat'l Guard spot to avoid Vietnam, and simply stopped serving when he didn't feel like doing it anymore.

Bottom line, it's okay if a conservative does does it.
Just ask "Send All the Drug Heads to Prison" Limbaugh.

I'm continually boggled by the fact that everyone sits around and complains about our apathetic society, about how stupid kids are today, how uninvolved, how we have created this 'entitlement' culture and yet they are the first ones screaming the first time anyone mentions civic duty or even when an effort is made to create an interest civic matters.

And quit treating children like they're stupid, quit underestimating them. Why we have this movement of infantilism towards our youth, I'll never understand. I suspect it's people acting out of their own unmet needs as children.

If you're (I mean this generally, no one in this thread, or specific) so afraid that a simple 5 minute speech by someone is going to influence your child in ways that go beyond the values that you've taught him - then all I can say is that you haven't done a very good job then, have you?

If you cannot trust your children enough to be able to exposed to the world and make good decisions based on their core values, then again, you aren't doing a very good job at parenting.

I would claim that it is these parents that are indocturnating. Controling the flow of information to their children, picking and choosing just what they are exposed to, what views that they are allowed to explore, accept or deny. A healthier relationship would be comfortable in knowing that they have taught their children right and wrong and let them sort out the details themselves instead of going all Kim jong il on them.

This thread titled "Bush and Reagan school addresses were very partisan compared to Obama school speech" is TOTALLY WRONG since Obama's speech has NOT taken place nor has his advance copy of this speech been made available...

Facts...
Obama's speech was not widely known until 3 days ago thus hiding it over the USA Labor Day Weekend.

The US Dept of Education, for whom it is illegal to do lesson plans, sent out lesson plans asking the children after the speech to write, 'what can I do to help Barack Obama" and 'why should you listen to Obama and other politicians" (listen as to obey as opposed to hear, analyze and think for yourself).

Our teachers are nothing but Socialist trainers.
My 9yo daughter has an illegal alien in he classroom calling her a racist because she does not say the US Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish per my direction.
My high school stepson says he's a communist and believes in strong central government because of his discussions with his English teacher.
This upcoming speech and lesson plans was the last straw for lots of us and I gave it both barrels to the school district.

Obama is a snake, daily speeches, why won't he just shut up.

Originally posted by Angus123
The hypocrisy of the right is staggering. Clinton was reviled for being a "draft dodger."
Cheney got 5 deferments and is a right wing God. Bush got bumped ahead of hundreds of others to get a cushy Air Nat'l Guard spot to avoid Vietnam, and simply stopped serving when he didn't feel like doing it anymore.

Bottom line, it's okay if a conservative does does it.
Just ask "Send All the Drug Heads to Prison" Limbaugh.

DING DING DING

We have a winner. Star for you.

This is hilarious.

There hasn't been a single issue that bobble head hasn't addressed that was not prefaced or framed in "his predecessor"

This guy so busy pushing divisiveness that his acolytes will never see it coming until it's too late.

So.. go ahead, keep being the loyal supplicant. Just more grist for the mill.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


this is laughable ... the previous presidents held a conference with a few children or read a book in one class ... they didnt broadcast to every school in the nation ... your scale is waaaaaaaay off

[edit on 6-9-2009 by conspiracyrus]

Of course. The hypocrisy of the conservatives, the total moving of the goalpost on every single issue, is a disgrace to America. The hatred of Obama because he's black and yet the denial that it has anything to do with being black is comedy to the rest of the world.

America may not exist in 50 years. And it's because conservatives cannot tolerate an America with diverse philosophies on the direction of the country. Liberals can tolerate conservatism, but conservatives cannot tolerate liberalism.

And the conservatives are ignorant. Look at all of them who ran out frantically and bought guns after the election because "Obama was going to take your guns away!!!!" What idiots!! If they had ever bothered to read the constitution they would have known that a president cannot possibly rescind a constitutional ammendment. But the gun industry played them very profitably for the patsies that they proved themselves to be. And how illiterate they are. Having a strong aversion to reading has, unfortunately, become a characteristic of the modern American conservative.

Now they're going bug nuts because Obama wants to tell kids to stay in school and work hard.

Conservatives are patsies for corporations who are destroying our country. It's very depressing to me, because when I registered to vote over 30 years ago I registered as a Republican and considered myself conservative. Now, I don't even want to be associated with them and frankly consider them traitors, corporate sellouts and of low intelligence.

I don't care how inflammatory the tone of this post is, some things need to be said.

I know I'll get idiotic responses. I'll ignore them.

reply to post by ClintK


Youve got to be kidding me ... i voted for Obama ... and after he selected his bush era cabinet ... i was done with him. Change yeah ... w/e you people are robots
Im sure there are people who are racist and dont like obama because he's black ... but nooo no one could be upset at him over his policies or the people hes appointed, of course not that would mean people can think for themselves.... rediculous

[edit on 6-9-2009 by conspiracyrus]

Originally posted by conspiracyrus
reply to post by ClintK

 

Youve got to be kidding me ... i voted for Obama ... and after he selected his bush era cabinet ... i was done with him. Change yeah ... w/e you people are robots

Exactly why are you against his speech though?