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posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 07:48 AM
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S&F x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000

GREAT opening quotes and reference.

You're right - time to educate the masses. But TPTB work very hard to camouflage and cloud the issues, and distract everyone's attention. So good luck.

BUT KEEP TRYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks.




posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 07:51 AM
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That's the *Jist* of the Banksters...

...Just as true now as when it was proposed...sound familiar???


The Bankers' Manifesto of 1892
circleof13.blogspot.com...

BANKERS MANIFESTO

We (the bankers) must proceed with caution and guard every move made, for the lower order of people are already showing signs of restless commotion. Prudence will therefore show a policy of apparently yielding to the popular will until our plans are so far consummated that we can declare our designs without fear of any organized resistance.

Organizations in the United States should be carefully watched by our trusted men, and we must take immediate steps to control these organizations in our interest or disrupt them.

At the coming Omaha convention to be held July 4, 1892, our men must attend and direct its movement or else there will be set on foot such antagonism to our designs as may require force to overcome.

This at the present time would be premature. We are not yet ready for such a crisis. Capital must protect itself in every possible manner through combination (conspiracy) and legislation.

The courts must be called to our aid, debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible.

When, through the process of law, the common people have lost their homes,
they will be more tractable and easily governed through the influence of the strong arm
of the government applied to a central power of imperial wealth under the control of the leading financiers.

People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. History repeats itself in regular cycles. This truth is well known among our principal men who are engaged in forming an imperialism of the world. While they are doing this, the people must be kept in a state of political antagonism.

The question of tariff reform must be urged through the organization known as the Democratic Party, and the question of protection with the reciprocity must be forced to view through the Republican Party.

By thus dividing voters, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us, except as teachers to the common herd. Thus, by discrete actions, we can secure all that has been so generously planned and successfully accomplished.



posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 08:17 AM
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Latinlover, I have more family buried in the vfw circles than you can imagine. I love our soldiers more than you will ever know. You need to relax and get educated on the treasonous act called the federal reserve act of 1913 that was enacted through great conspiracy.



You could start here.



Then maybe you should read the bankers manifesto.

THE BANKERS’ MANIFESTO OF 1934

Capital must protect itself in every way, through combination and through legislation. Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law, the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of wealth, under control of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principle men now engaged in forming an IMPERIALISM of capital to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd. Thus by discrete action we can secure for ourselves what has been generally planned and successfully accomplished

I could go on but maybe you'll see a patern here. We the people have been trodden upon enough. These are the type of soldiers we need and these are the type I support.



Good day sir and I would willing die for your right to say what you will.




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posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 08:21 AM
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S.


Another EXCELLENT quote.

There seem to be so many forces pushing us back to being peons in a feudalistic state - but really, there is only one force isn't there? ...The "bankers" of the world. ...Wonder what they're really doing with all that gold?




posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 08:29 AM
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Indeed. Nice quote from subhuman slimes. I have nothing but contempt for the FED. I believe that Auditing the FED (HR1207) would be the most productive part of everyone's day.

This should be Issue #1 and addressed by everyone at all times. It's one reckless chance that I think all people should be willing to take, even if it means, as the bankers credo claims, by force if necessary. As I can really see no other way to expedite the economic recovery of global and local markets.

Those people are psychotic and not human by definition of human like any of US. They seem to have inhuman greed, reckless disregard for humanity and daily struggles of others. They seem to wipe out populations of third world countries with the stroke of a pen. And us too when it means more loot in their coffers or legislation favoring them.

So, what do we do with humans that behave inhuman? It can easily be established that they no longer behave as humans.

There isn't anything "good" in what they understand. They could only comprehend having more possessions, more power. There isn't any good or evil to them. Only more. And God forbid anyone attempts to acquire theirs. Those three elements are the only things that could possibly consume their interests.
More wealth, power and protecting both.

Since the general public is classed as human and we behave as such with compassion and healthy animosity to each other. How could we possibly class elites/bankers as human.

What needs to be done with those that are inhuman?


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posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by tjeffersonsghost
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The problem is the banksters/internationalists through propaganda have the people convinced that it is Socialism if we throw these guys on their arses. Im as anti government as they come but even I realize this issue is going to take a government with balls to fix and a people who can just open their eyes and realize that its not Socialism if we throw these crooks on their butts. We need an Andrew Jackson in office who gets things done. We dont need an Obama. We have to toss the FED out first. Second drop globalism like a rock and GET BACK OUR SOVEREIGNTY. You can do business with the rest of the world without giving up our sovereignty. This is something people need to understand.


Here's the problem - anyone who runs for POTUS is going to be compromised by the money and the money handlers. You want someone to be completely independent? Then we need to run a candidate who can self-fund a campaign.

For the government to start being truly for the people we need to pull the money and the lobbyists out of the system with real campaign finance reform. Unfortunately I don;t see that happening anytime soon.



posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 09:30 AM
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This is a great OP !

I looked into this just a little and just add here a few things I found -


McFadden is also remembered for his criticism of the Federal Reserve, which he claimed was created and operated by European banking interests who conspired to economically control the United States. On June 10, 1932, McFadden made a 25-minute speech before the House of Representatives, in which he accused the Federal Reserve of deliberately causing the Great Depression. McFadden also claimed that Wall Street bankers funded the Bolshevik Revolution through the Federal Reserve banks and the European central banks with which it cooperated. In the same speech McFadden expressed dismay at the fact that over $13 million in gold had been shipped to a rebuilding Germany that year by the Federal Reserve. He also explained how Nelson Aldrich was tutored by European bankers, then later submitted the Aldrich bill, a translation of the statutes of the Reichsbank and other European central banks, which became the Federal Reserve Act after a half-million-dollar public information program.

Source : Wikipedia


Aldrich Plan - 1912

Rhode Island Senator Nelson Aldrich, the Republican leader in the Senate, ran the Commission personally, with the aid of a team of economists. They went to Europe and were impressed at how well they believed the central banks in Britain and Germany handled the stabilization of the overall economy and the promotion of international trade. Aldrich's investigation led to his plan in 1912 to bring central banking to America, with promises of financial stability, expanded international roles, control by impartial experts and no political meddling in finance.

Source : Wikipedia


Warburg Meets Sen. Aldrich

Aldrich first met Warburg by chance when the senator was preparing for the European trip and visited Kuhn, Loeb and Co. to gather preliminary material about the German banking system. Following that meeting, the German native began writing to Aldrich outlining his proposals, but Aldrich was cool to Warburg's plan and deferred his correspondence to A. Piatt Andrew, a Harvard professor whom Aldrich had appointed official secretary of the National Monetary Commission. As new ideas on banking reform began to crystallize for the senator, Andrew brought the work of Warburg to the senator's attention again and soon Andrew was corresponding with Warburg on behalf of the senator.

Source : Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis


See Full Text of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 - ( PDF ).




posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 10:04 AM
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I want to make it clear that I don't want the military to overthrow the Government.

I was simply asking Penn a question nothing more. I don't want anyone taking that the wrong way. Seems like some did.

Feel like I might have derailed the thread for a minute there, I apologize for that.

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posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by latinlover
You all live in a fantasy!? I've been in the military for over 20yrs. What you are implying is treason. The respect that those of us have for our NATION and the current sitting president is something that some of you will never understand. If you want to change things, do it like all those that have done so in the past. Get involved with our current government. Be relentless, but respectful of our laws. I've seen presidents come and go during my service, some I have not agreed with, yet I would die for any of them in the line of duty. Don't become Timothy McViegh.


Forgive me but wasn't America founded on Treason.?



posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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F/S Thank you for bringing this up.

There is no lack of information on this. So, why has nothing happened? I am very interested in finding out the mechanisms retaining this corrupt fed system. Never are they audited and yet it manipulates and controls our economy. It is more powerful than our government, but what is this power and how can it be usurped?

I've known about this for 20 years, but it seems when people have what they believe they need to be happy, they turn off any questioning awareness, afraid to rock their own boat, not realizing everyone is in the same boat.

Since the American Congress was in session the power has been teetering between private banks and actual government control. In the first years of the America, in England the Bank of England had run up the national dept so high due to such private entities and profiteers that the government was compelled to over tax its people and then the american colonies. Ben Franklin said these entities and it's policies where the reason for the American Revolution. That was only the first war for America created by such greed and lust for control.

Wars have, and are being created, for such profits. Why do we send our children to lay their bodies down in front of another sovereign people, give all their courage and effort for such external profits, when, if they where home and educated could help solve our problems and make this nation an example of a true altruistic democracy.

It makes no sense we are owned by such greedy self-interest's and nothing more than sheep to heard into others countries to feed on their grasses, tearing down fences of trust and respect to do so in the process.

When will the sheep wake to such madness?

I have known this for some time. Here is a link to an old but relevant documentary, still as true today for the lack of change we are now suffering the consequences of.

History of the Federal Reserve (Money Masters)

There is no lack of people talking about this. You will see many more videos at this and other links. So, I am very interested why it has never been faced.

Is it the governments complicit attitude? Congress and the House, or something much more pervasive? Without knowing where the roots lay, how can we even begin to eradicate such a scourge on the people?

ZG



posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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I agree, the short period of time that the white men claimed they owned this land has brought about a plethora of negativity. A foundation built upon slaughter of natives, colonizing a mass of worker bees, and keeping a cycle going in order to amass the resources of a rich continent. As any structure with a weak foundation it is bound to collapse.
I wonder how afraid the elites are that one day all their belongings and their precious bank notes of cotton and linen will be worthless. If we were to live like the natives of this land we could find harmony without posessions; while at the same time using knowledge and technology in harmony.
The major obstacle we face, however, is whether or not the land is still capable of sustaining life like the natives. Corporate farming and deforestation has been a way to "domesticate" earth to our style of caged in living. In order to successfully live off the land people must get rid of their idea of "ownership." The land must be shared and the animals cannot be eradicated. TPTB are trying to control every means of real survival by turning everything into an urban landscape where they own it all.
I have long been thinking of kicking the system like a heroine addiction, but the problem is if I wanted to live off the land in harmony there are so few places that the long stretching hand of the system cannot infiltrate.

Once we develope our own means of survival we can continue to dream of going to the moon, or Mars. Like weening a child of the mothers milk, we must kick the habit of the system. Alot of people like our 20 year military vet here cannot imagine a life without money, and I'm sure the baby breastfeeding cannot imagine living any differently either, but sure enough with age the baby can grow to be a strong man hunting and growing his food. I can only wonder how great we can be once this social organism grows up.


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posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by latinlover
You all live in a fantasy!? I've been in the military for over 20yrs. What you are implying is treason.

What we are implying is what YOUR which is OUR forefathers stood for. Fighting for the PEACE and PROSPERITY we knew ourselves to have rights to. It is TREASON to stand for the slow moving tyranny controlling the president, the military and YOU. The UCMJ explains to you clearly this priority.


The respect that those of us have for our NATION and the current sitting president is something that some of you will never understand.

Some will but I do. I have respect for the PEOPLE of the nation. I have lost all respect for the political, financial and educational high level tiers of this country your directives come from.


If you want to change things, do it like all those that have done so in the past. Get involved with our current government. Be relentless, but respectful of our laws.

This is the blind state of your understanding. The changes that have been made in the past 200 years that truly drive our country have been done so under the guise of lies and deceit. Are you encouraging me to do the same? Respecting the laws easily stated, but the parties who WRITE the laws are influenced by lobbyists and coercion.


I've seen presidents come and go during my service, some I have not agreed with, yet I would die for any of them in the line of duty. Don't become Timothy McViegh.

You have taken this to the extreme. You have taken this to a place the MSM who is influenced by corporate fascists WANT you to take it. Have you researched the OC bombing? it wasn't just Timothy and the overall lie was sold to you for this exact reaction in times like these.

Most of the people here want justice and by no means do I read anyone saying "let's go blow up and kill innocent Americans. It saddens me to see how well puppeted our service men have become. It's why I got out of the military and my "superiors" were more than glad to see me go.

b --- edited to take exchange words of emotion with words of integrity



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posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by spannera

Originally posted by latinlover
You all live in a fantasy!? I've been in the military for over 20yrs. What you are implying is treason. The respect that those of us have for our NATION and the current sitting president is something that some of you will never understand. If you want to change things, do it like all those that have done so in the past. Get involved with our current government. Be relentless, but respectful of our laws. I've seen presidents come and go during my service, some I have not agreed with, yet I would die for any of them in the line of duty. Don't become Timothy McViegh.


Forgive me but wasn't America founded on Treason.?


Good point. Should a persecuted Jewish person in Germany in the 1940s join the Nazi military to change it? This is an economic war on the people of this nation. You cannot join such ranks if they by definition are working for another master.

Also, the "duty" you are laying your life down for is for the defense of our nation, and not the economy of a foreign financial dictatorship.

My friends and colleagues went to war in Vietnam and are still treated like low class vets. Their children who are in service in the middle east are killed, sickened and shunned by our nation. Where is the honor and duty for them?

I honor the dead and the living for doing what is in their hearts with courage and dedication but whom are lied to for such dedicated bravery. Their efforts can never be questioned. They are the good of America. But, are we supporting a very few external entities and their interests, or our own people, their freedoms and rights and a desire to work hard, creatively and make a better world we can then share with others?

There is a serious disconnect in our cultures understanding of current military operations and other past wars and police actions. There is a cognitive dissonance that is hidden from our conversations and inquiries. Why?






From Answers.com

www.answers.com...

The theory suggests that conflicts between behavior and beliefs create a sense of discomfort, or cognitive dissonance, that the individual subconsciously attempts to eliminate by modifying his or her beliefs. For example, a man who believes in nonviolence may strike someone in anger.

The theory states that the man will either modify his beliefs about nonviolence to justify the violent behavior or will believe his action to be something other than violence. He may convince himself that he was acting out of instinct or self-protection rather than a desire to inflict harm, or that the provocation was so extreme that even a nonviolent person like himself would have no choice but to respond. Individuals often seek reassurance from external sources that their behavior is not in conflict with their beliefs.

Nazi war criminals defended their actions to themselves and others by claiming they were "only following orders" and were not responsible for behavior that was in conflict with social mores.


Are we doing the right things for the wrong reasons? Is that why it is so hard to see the monsters behind the curtain?

ZG



posted on Sep, 6 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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this has been a very well put together thread by all who contributed. everyone knows that the fed. reserve is bull and this thread will open more eyes, and will give more drive to the people who already know. thank you all. very good job.

RedPill



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 02:40 AM
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THE FACT THAT the USA boasts as its major export military might - weapons of lethal and more or less lethal sorts - is a telling sign of where our priorities have been for decades.

I WANT TO KILL (repeat twice), has been our national motto, recalling lines from the song Alice's Restaurant by Arlo Guthrie:

(excerpt)

And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL."

And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."
~~~

The fact that our govt., that Latin Lover presumes to want to continue to defend, allowed Monsanto to insidiously and wantonly destroy our food gene pool and spread its vicious ways around the world to Mexico, India, Canada, et al is reason enough to cry fie and overthrow the Bastille, WE won't take it any more and start acting out Street Fighting Man.

Perhaps the swine flu hysteria is being amped up because in reality the GUV
wants to keep people from socializing with each other in public places and causing
unrest - or __worse__.

At a Tavern in Boston reportedly initial murmurs of the American Revolution sounded. Bottoms up, guyz and galz.



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 02:54 AM
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Well. but sadly, this doesnt apply to Germany anymore.
Were facing the same scythe you guys do.



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 09:46 AM
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What grinds me is that the US economic system was subverted to launch and orchestrate a global takeover - to replace the monarchies with global corporate government/economic control - and no one gets it!!!



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 10:06 AM
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We, the People, were given a mandate by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence. He wrote, "...whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

So, the question is how do we do that? It would require that the military be on the side of the people, otherwise the people would get nowhere. That means any such action must be constitutional. To constitutionally replace our government we would need to, in essence, fire the whole lot.

The Constitution was created in a convention of delegates elected and sent to the convention by the states. It took a 2/3 majority of those delegates to approve the Constitution. The purpose of the Constitution was to create the federal government. The C (Constitution) was not created for the people, but BY the people and the government was the result.

The C is a contract between the states setting up the federal government. The government is not a party to that contract, but a result of it.

For us to replace the government constitutionally, 2/3 of the state legislatures would have to pass a nullification resolution that would, in essence, nullify their contract with the USA. The USA IS the federal government. This would "REBOOT" the C.

That resolution would also set up an escrow account in each state where all the federal taxes collected in that state would be deposited.

That is per the C, the military would agree to back the states, the federal government would run out of money, and we would run them out of Washington.

The C would revert to its original form with no ammendments except the first ten. All federal law and court decisions would be null and void.

We could start all over from the beginning, a little more astute this time.

That is the only way to get rid of the corrupt government we have now, other than going into battle with the US Marines. I would rather have them on our side.

Check out this group of present and former members of the US military. They have promised to honor their oath to protect and defend the people and the Constitution.


oath-keepers.blogspot.com...


Glenn Flowers



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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BTW: The problems you have in the US are similar to ours. Every country has its own "Fed". Theres your root of all evil. Time to stop pointing fingers randomly and start naming names (of the owners for example and demand audit s(veeeery severe ones)).


The problem of central banks trace back to the 16th century. Monarchs found that if they tried to tax above 40-43% there were riots and revolutions. Some bright gold smith/banker showed the monarch that if they allowed fractional banking they could crate a hidden tax called inflation. In this way rulers could increase tax without losing their heads.

The fed was written by seven men representing 1/4 of the wealth in the ENTIRE WORLD.

The Story is written out here History of the Fed lecture by G.Edward Griffin author of “The Creature from Jekyll Island” www.bigeye.com...



Other useful web sites

Money is Created by Banks: Evidence Given by Graham Towers to Canadian Parliament: freedomprime.blogspot.com...


A PRIMER ON MONEY:Committee on Banking and Currency, House of Representatives 1964
famguardian.org...



"With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government." - from the Grace Commission Report
famguardian.org...



the [fractional] Reserve is now zero market-ticker.denninger.net...

Interview of John Perkins, author of “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” www.lewrockwell.com...

McFadden was also shot at twice before he was poisoned twice. This is the main reason. Isn't it about time we those formal charges acted upon?



On May 23, 1933, Congressman, Louis T. McFadden, brought formal charges against the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve Bank system, The Comptroller of the Currency and the Secretary of United States Treasury for numerous criminal acts, including but not limited to, CONSPIRACY, FRAUD, UNLAWFUL CONVERSION, AND TREASON. The petition for Articles of Impeachment was thereafter referred to the Judiciary Committee and has YET TO BE ACTED ON. www.maxexchange.com...



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 01:31 PM
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What grinds me is that the US economic system was subverted to launch and orchestrate a global takeover - to replace the monarchies with global corporate government/economic control - and no one gets it!!!




Sometimes I wonder if that's true, that no one gets it.

I am starting to believe most people don't want to "get it". It's just easier to hope it's not true and live in fantasy land.

The signs are there, people choose not to see them. Most of the time even after they've been pointed out. At least that's my experience.





 
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