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Is government health care socialism?

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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 09:29 PM
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So is government health care socialism? Is welfare socialism? Is Medicare socialism? Are public schools socialism? Are the police who catch the guy breaking into your car socialism? Isn't the fact that you can't punch that idiot a**ho*e around you socialism?

OK, straight up. If a little girl is hurt and dying do you care where she came from? Does she need help, can you give it?

I made this thread about health care, the way I see it government run health care brings the health care corporations into line. It dampens the "greed factor" that I think most people would see is a real problem. A government based health care system that is voluntary would provide a ceiling against uncontrolled escalation of profit by the hospitals or the insurance companies, (there is not just one enemy in this fight).

I think it should be, imho, a better world if someone who was sick could get the best help possible at the moment.

Medicare for many Americans is all they have to help them "LIVE". It is government run and they don't want to let it go. It was a fight back then, just like now to "make it happen".

I see so many threads here that quote the idea, " They didn't come for me..., and when they came for me there was no one to object". I get it, and it's absolutley really but it really isn't that extreme. If someone stumbles in front of you, your instinct will make you reach to help them.

Isn't that what socialism is?

I think socialism is if my neighbor doesn't know how to change the oil in his car I can walk over and slide under his car, loosen a bolt and drain his oil into a pan he bought at wallmart. Maybe, just maybe someday when my ac is down he knows how to replace a blower motor. Know what I mean Vern?

If nothing else, that is socialism. Is that wrong, evil... ?

Socialism is not a dictatorship, socialism is the many trying to help the few.

light, peace, love and balance to all


Edit: I had to laugh at myself because I said "If a LITTLE GIRL NEEDED HELP", really I mean if any other person, wow, look I guess I am a sexist.





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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 09:48 PM
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Yes, government run healthcare is socialism. That is because there is no alternative...only what the gov't gives you. The police are paid for by taxes and they have checks and balances. Welfare is socialism. And no one is going to let a little girl die. If people go to the emergency room with an actual life threatening emergency they will be treated. Healthcare costs are so high because people go into the emergency room for stupid and unreasonable reasons with no money to pay! If the government would create jobs people would be able to afford healthcare, ergo there wouldn't be billions of dollars in unpaided healtcare costs, ergo everything involving healthcare would be cheaper.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 10:25 PM
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I do understand what you are emoting. I agree with you very much but the exception I take is that we are on the cusp of "letting that little girl die", because she doesn't fit a certain mold.

Over the last couple years here I have seen many people say, "It's alright to kill an Iraqi because some of them don't respect our values of being what we are, (My intial reaction was to point out radical Christian actions as an example of "you can't judge the reactions of a whole by the actions of a few").

I am a real person, I am not going to starve my children to help a stranger but as is the way of nature, I will try to achieve a balance between my needs and the needs of those that with me. I think in the modern world that line has been stretched thin.

We are very close to isolating ourselves (and I speak of we as Americans in this sense, but if the shoe fits wear it, in a shtf sense). I grew up in an America, where being an American meant I stood up for truth and justice and the respect for the individual, and in pride of just "doing the right thing". I think that's what the majority of people really believe in. At least I hope so.

Maybe that's just an expression in my hope that people really care about the status quo. All I can say is that if some old woman needs help and I can give it I would.


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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 10:31 PM
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No, it's not socialism, it's common sense.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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So what is common sense then? Sounds really "Sarah Palin", to leave it that vague.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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Made me remember this recent post on Dennis Kucinich's blog. I'm not adding this to represent my opinion, I just think he's one of our more honest politicians, and he seems to want something more along the lines of socialism than this bill is offering...


The Administration plan requires that everyone must have health insurance, so it is delivering tens of millions of new "customers" to the insurance companies. Health care? Not really. Insurance care! Absolutely. Cost controls? No chance.

You will next hear talk about "co-ops." The truth is that insurance company campaign contributions have co-opted the public interest.

I need your help to spread the word and rally the nation around true healthcare reform which covers everyone and maintains fiscal integrity without breaking our nation's bank! Your contribution will empower our efforts to continue to fight for the single-payer, not-for-profit health care bill, HR676 "Medicare for All," which I co-authored with John Conyers.. The bill now has 85 sponsors in the House.

The hotly-debated HR3200, the so-called "health care reform" bill, is nothing less than corporate welfare in the guise of social welfare and reform. It is a convoluted mess. The real debate which we should be having is not occurring.

- Source

Again, just offering his perspective. Take it or leave it.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 10:53 PM
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Wow, Dennis Kucinich. I have to laugh because he is considered a "way out there" idealist. Very much like Ron Paul, who I really respect, I hope he opens the eyes of the public in his quest of transparency of the federal reserve. My energy is with him.

Edit: I have to add that Dennis Kucinich is from my State, Ohio. He even believes in little grey men.


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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:01 PM
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Yes, he's very idealistic indeed. I like to know what he and Ron Paul are saying... most of our other politicians are just spewing the same 'party line' all the time.

And I personally think it's awesome that he had the nerve to answer the 'alien encounter' question honestly at a public debate!



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:12 PM
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Well since you brought it up, in the actualized world and the real world there seems to be a difference between what we know to be and what is acting out in front of us. Two realities, both equally as true, existing in the same moment. The right and left in politics are both correct in their basest sense. If you delve into that though the polarites hold true.

EDIT: I digress, but I guess my point is that we gotta fix healthcare. I am tired of someone dying to make someone else make $x amount of dollars.

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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by kingoftheworld
Yes, government run healthcare is socialism. That is because there is no alternative...only what the gov't gives you.


Damn right boyo!!!

I know next time my house catches fire I am calling that PRIVATE FIRE DEPARTMENT
the one with all those commercials



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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My only sister's husband is a fireman. God Bless em.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:21 PM
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But in the same vein, it's not just what God gives you, it is what you make of that which defines you.

Edit: Free Will is the hand that God deals you, how you play it is determinism.

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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:23 PM
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Well, by definition, socialism pretty much means governemnt run! so yes, ide say this is socialism..when the goverment tells you whats good for yuo,w hat yuor getting and how much, rather than freedom of choice, free will, and variety.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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I really wish we could just drop all the socialism, liberalism, conservatism, etc. and find a common medium in which we can all just help one another.

Seems like -ism just serves to further divide. Whatever happened to compromise.

To op- My answer is no.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:27 PM
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No, if I may I think socialism means that the many realize the needs of the few and act on that.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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I've seen the temper of your posts here and so I say I am surprised, (but not disappointed) in your answer. Very glad to meet you! More to your post, I agree. Focusing on the idea of socialism in the face of what is happening is mindnumbing but it is a focus of many minds. Who is leading them that way?



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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:32 PM
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Socialism- The freedom of choice by your government to tell the Weople what to do like it or not. ^Y^

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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:34 PM
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LOL, Where did you get that definition? This isn't the Rush Limbaugh with side-kick Glenn Beck show. Now.... Deny Ignorance

Ok, I apologize for that remark, you are entitled... (hear that?) it will haunt you later, to what you think. God bless you for at least thinking something



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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:36 PM
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Nice to meet you too.

Passionate yes- Temper NO


I'm just as frustrated as everybody else. Obama is not the root of all evil, nor is healthcare. We just got to find common ground that will benefit, not please, all.

Who's leading them- Hard to tell. Some people don't need leaders, they just go with the flow.

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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by damwel
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LOL, Where did you get that definition? This isn't the Rush Limbaugh with side-kick Glenn Beck show. Now.... Deny Ignorance



No, I would never think of of quoting either one of them geniuses Rush Beck or

Glenn Limbaugh. ^Y^



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