Obama, where's your head?? Van Jones??

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

His political leanings don't matter to me.

You have to be kidding me.

Hey, I heard that Martin Bormann is looking for work in the Obama cabinet. I heard he has some great ideas on financial reform and really would be great as Obama's secretary.

Almost makes you want to get a T-Shirt made that says "Yes I'm Racist - Now can we Talk?"

I'm gonna have stay in the middle on this one. When you first hear that first video, it sounds like a blatant racist comment. But once you listen again you hear that he is actually quoting what the environmental justice group, or whatever they are, said. I don't know if the racist tidbit was his opinion as in if he thinks the 2.5 upgrade is about stopping white polluters. He sort of confused me there... I'll need to hear another racist quote from him to clarify I suppose

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Karma's a bitch, isn't it? You're calling this man (VJ) a racist based on a snippet of a comment that he quoted from someone else and that doesn't matter to you at all. The FACT doesn't matter to you... All you care about is making him out to be a racist, because your lord and savior, Glenn Beck, told you to...

It goes a lot deeper than that little snippet you're trying to hang onto to assuage your white guilt, BH.

Anything is OK as long as he 'quotes' someone else, is it?

Problem is, he didn't use the quote to deny racism, but as a mechanism to put his own racial hatred out there.

Same as his comment that Republicans are aholes.

It's OK, because he said 'Sometimes I'm an ahole too!'.??

Nice try, BH.

Were you perchance looking in the mirror when the word 'fraud' came to mind?

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You're right, I think it's a fantastic idea to give a radical communist a position in which he will have to create jobs and help the economy.

Van Jones is a racist and so is Obama, get rid of him or better yet keep the guy he will implode the whole administration

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hehe i thought that video was funny. he makes a good point. we really do need alternative energy. problem is, we are relying on other nations oil resources and letting foreign nations tap our resources, which we had hithertofore, carefully hoarded in the event we could no longer gain access to foreign resources. it's kinda bass-ackwards.

i see the issue as being a big secret. they sold our resources to foreign powers and are pretending like it's still ours and we just "don't need to tap it." oh i believe THAT! don't you? (sarcasm, becometh us!)

i don't think it's necessary to be constantly reminding people of the human predilection to be less than perfect/humane/or even aware of much of what is happening around them besides their own 1500ft of living space, especially if the event has long past its time of occurrence. clearly we are all painfully aware that crap tends to roll in the direction of least protection. guys in the military certainly know it. enlisted people work hard to get a shingle on their roof (a stripe on top) so the rain runs off.

where i think glenn makes his best point is the native american topic. clearly, if the intent was to give the native americans reparations of any real value, they'd fix the social medicine for their communities, which is apparently painfully broken with no sign of repair on the horizon. otherwise, he just sounds like he's trying to harness the native americans into marxism in much the same way as earlier marxists roped in the black communities. not with real solutions of any lasting value, that much is clear.

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"You won't hear any defense of Obama. MM tried the deflection onto Beck, but that won't work."

"How could you defend Obama or this wackjob??"

I am waiting for the, "you just don't like him cuz your a racist" number. We are a little over due for it, don't you think?

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Van Jones on Columbine

OK, BH, let's see you defend this:



Racist?

Originally posted by jsobecky
OK, BH, let's see you defend this:

I'm confused that you care so much about my opinion. But...This is not a game, jsobecky, of "Let's see BH's reaction to THIS". This thread is not about me or my views, no matter how much y'all have made it out to be that. My god! It's YOUR thread. It's a trash Obama thread, remember? Focus. It's a "let's see how bad we can make Obama look/I'm not a racist" thread. You're famous for them. We all know that.

This is my last opinion on it. What VJ said in this last video is absolutely, 100% true. Like it or not. We're always talking about what to do about the black kids and what to do about the Latino problem but no one is even THINKING about the suffering that's CLEARLY going on in the young white kids of our country. It's not racist to bring that up. Simply talking about white people or black people is NOT racist.

You keep saying how racist VJ is... I don't think that word means what you think it means. Simply mentioning someone's race is not racist. Talking about the races and their different issues in not racist. Making fun of how a race talks IS racist. Finding fault with someone just because they're black IS racist. Hating someone for their race IS racist... Just to let you know.

Originally posted by mikerussellus
Are you ok with him being an avowed communist?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
In this country, you get to be whatever you want to be. It's how you BEHAVE that matters.

Behavior follows beliefs.
Van Jones is a racist and is an avowed communist.
He's in a position of power (a Czar) and only has to answer to the POTUS.
That POTUS (Obama) is a racist and a redistribute the wealth marxist.

Two racist-marxists who have no one to answer to except themselves.
Gee .. wonder what they'll do with all that unchecked power...

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
It's YOUR thread. It's a trash Obama thread,

Actually it's another EXPOSE OBAMA FOR WHAT HE IS thread.
Telling the truth isn't 'trashing'. It's simply telling the truth.


Van Jones is a racist.
His Columbine comments are disgusting.
His philosophy stinks.

But of course, having him as a Czar falls in line with a lot of the kind of people Obama likes to have around. And as Obama himself says - "Judge me by the people who surround me"


Some of Obama's Friends

Eric Holder - Another Clintonista ...

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel. be afraid!!

John Holdren - Thread here YIKES!

And of course there is nutter Van Jones (as has been stated)



and Part 2:



And the list goes on and on ....
Okay Obama .. we'll do exactly as you say.
We'll judge you by the people who you surround yourself with.
It ain't a pretty picture. :shk:




[edit on 9/5/2009 by FlyersFan]

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The most interesting part in my opinion was when he said that white people have discussions about whether or not black people are animals. I don't care what anybody says and I'm not bashing Obama here, but this guy is a racist and a communist, therefore he should not be an advisor to the POTUS.

I wanna know where are our elected officials and our government law enforcment to keep this scum out of the white house?

THIS CLOWN can talk this BS and be in the oval office wile old grandma goes to a tea party and gets on a list of sorts?

Im ashamed of the entire system..ROUST THESE MOTHER #&$^*%$#

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Look.... nothing Obama does will make any conservative happy.

Even when he plans to talk to kids and tell them EXACTLY the same stuff that Reagan and Bush Senior did... all a sudden it's Indoctrination!


This is the last straw..... nothing the conservatives say can be taken seriously any more... it's simply "Make Obama Fail!" without any intellectual honesty.

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Even when he plans to talk to kids and tell them EXACTLY the same stuff that Reagan and Bush Senior did... all a sudden it's Indoctrination!

Bush and Regan didn't force "learning materials" on the students, or force them to basically worship quotes from their speeches.

I'm amazed at all the waffling about Van Jones from the left. The guy describes himself as a "communist revolutionary". Why in the world would we want a communist revolutionary advising our president? The guy said that if he lived in another country, he would be a rebel fighter! Hes also talked about how he has to change the language he uses,m in order to appeal to more people. That means hes going to try to get communist policies passed, by calling them something else.

How can you not see a pattern emerging here?

I don't know how in the hell anyone can defend this guy. Its not just the GOP; there are a good number of Democrats who now say this guy needs to go.

I just want to know how this guy ever passed an FBI background check.

Take the racist bait, hook line and sinker... In the end it will help them make the case that the opposition are all racists.

No matter which side you are on, or which race you are... As long as you are willing to bite, and play the game, the plan is working.

Democrats = Socialists

Republicans = Racists

American people = Suckers!

If this guy is going to make a statement such as the whites steering pollution into black neighborhoods, he needs to have a ton of evidence presented that shows no doubt what he says is true...

and even if he does, its still not the white man...its certain corporations or legislation effecting low income areas, not black areas (unless we somehow went back to 1950s America where there was clear segregation).

Obama needs to kick this dude, or have him give a public apology for his past comments in the "I was a passionate idiot that have since learned the errors of my ways" type thing....but frankly, a firing may be better. Not that the man couldnt do the job, but there is a certain purity publically that a person needs to have to hold such a position.

If this would have happened under the bush administration with a white guy saying blacks were polluting white neighborhood, the guy would have been all but crusified and with good reason...this is no different because of his skin tone.

clearly its the japanese polluting all our neighborhoods

Fire him and do some research before electing "Tzars"...if it looks ugly when reversed, then its ugly all around.

incidently, he could have simply said the more plausable understanding...that legislation and our green policys is negatively effecting the low income areas that must be addressed...that would have been perfectly fine...once you go racist, you doom yourself

DOOOOOM I say!

"Van Jones: Only ‘Suburban White Kids’ Shoot Up Schools"

Oh really? I happen to live very close to Detroit and I am hearing on a daily basis about how many "young children" are being shot each day here.

Ok, so white kids shoot up schools? Then black kids destroy entire cities. He really doesn't want to go there.

Blacks by far are the worst group in this country when it comes to community living. They take entire communities and destroy them and that's a fact. Detroit is a prime example. They took Detroit and look at it now. A shining example of what Obama and Van Jones want for the rest of us?

Van Jones is a Racist pig and so is Obama.

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The fact is in America today you will have difficulty getting a mortgage simply because your name is Tyrone or Shakeesha so I think this movement is long overdue. Change in America has to be more than health care related while Obama is in charge if you ask me.

Isn't the whole "banking crisis" based on giving unqualified borrowers loans?? Wasn't ACORN tied to manipulating the banks into giving these bad loans???

I found "you will have difficulty getting a mortgage simply because your name is Mary or Susan" I could not get a mortgage because I was FEMALE. A black male at my company earning less than I had not trouble but when I applied for a mortgage, at age 35 with 5 years at the same company, I had to get my very old RETIRED father to cosign the blasted loan!

Females account for over half the population and we are discriminated against big time. Heck the only reason females were added to the Equal Rights Amendment was because those against the Amendment were sure adding females would kill the bill . That means our status in the good old boys eyes is LOWER than that of a black male. Even the activists said "the only place for a woman in the equal rights movement is flat on her back."

As far as Obama and his Czars go, I do not like them but I wonder how much is a dog and pony show to divert attention from the Fed/Corporate agenda and how much is to stir up racial tensions so their is no chance of US citizens uniting to fight against the Fed/Corporate agenda. He has the right vs left and the racial pots at a higher boil than I have seen in quite awhile. Instead of letting this corrupt government start a "lets you and he fight" both sides should grab the curtain and look behind it.

I can not believe anyone here at ATS believe Obama's government is any less corrupt than the Bush government. Mike Tailor as proposed food Czar (Monsanto lawyer) and Vilsack as Sec of USDA (known Monsanto puppet) told me all I needed to know. The only change is the speed in which banker/corporate written legislation is making it through Congress.

By 2002 over 70% of our GNP was owned by Foreigners. The only thing left in this country the Bankers have not already stolen is our land. The "Banking Crisis" and the "food safety bills" are designed to take that last real wealth. The plan is to "harmonize with the same WTO written regulations in other countries they have intentionally useddriven over half the independent farmers off the land. see: FDA Policy Revised to Harmonize With International Standards... In my opinion, this is what the media is diverting attention from. Food Safety Bill The bill regulates your home garden the only exclusion is a limited definition of farm. Registration is $500 a year if you give your neighbor some tomatoes! It also includes lots of paperwork, warrantless search, heavy fines and jail time and the government telling you exactly how to operate your farm. The only reason there is ANY exclusion is because a few farmers, including me, have screamed bloody murder about these bills but this one made it past the House.

“The term ‘farm’ also includes facilities that manufacture/process, pack, or hold food, provided that all food used in those activities is grown, raised, or consumed on that farm or another farm under the same ownership.” (emphasis added). Under the guidance document, a “farm” can process food if the raw ingredients are grown or raised on that farm. In other words, a farmer could make lacto-fermented foods from his own produce; but a farmer who obtains produce from a neighbor to make such foods (unless consumed there) would no longer be considered a “farm” and would be subject to FDA registration.

Under the FSEA, anyone who “knowingly violates” certain prohibitions contained in the FFDCA, such as the prohibition against introducing adulterated or misbranded food into interstate commerce [21 USC 331(a)], can be imprisoned for up to ten years [section 134(a)(3)–p. 85]. Note that such actions as failing to register a facility or not conducting a hazard analysis constitutes “misbranding”. So, an Amish farmer who knowingly refuses to register his facility, or a local baker who knowingly failed to fill out the extensive required paperwork, could be thrown in jail.

The bill also provides fines of up to a total of $100,000 for individuals; and a corporation or other entity can be fined up to a total of $7.5 million. Each day during which a violation continues shall be considered a separate offense

After years of fighting and trying to educate a deaf public, I am about ready to quit and when you are all starving because of the preplanned famine, laugh in your faces. The corporations have intentionally removed all US emergency food stores and deleted laws for replenishing YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!