"Conservatives Protest Obama's Nefarious Plot to Have Schoolchildren Learn Things in School"

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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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I'm sorry to inform you, but if you are not in favor of Obama and his policies than you are either a schizophrenic Republican or a racist. It takes a lot of balls to come right out and say you are a racist. I assume you're declaring yourself a racist, if you deny being a Republican. Now if you claim to be neither Republican or racist you must be a free thinker, the most dangerous of all domestic terrorist.


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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
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Oh but I am sure that if you dial 9/11 you expect police to be there. If we are attacked I am sure you expect the military to defend you.

Fact is, those are American citizens who take those jobs.

How many of you would be up in arms about a firefighter coming in and asking kids to practise fire drills? Or a police officer telling kids they can be a police officer too?

Would parents balk at Neil Armstrong encouraging them to like space and they can be an astronaut too?

I seem to remember Arnold going around encouraging kids to get fit.





my taxes pay for that 911 service so umm yeah i expect them to respond. And my taxes pay for the military as well.

The Constitution mandates that the federal govt protect our borders. so again umm yes i expect that to happen.

The Constitution does not give this federal govt the right to run the education system. Read the 10th amendment, if the constitution does not specificallly grant the fed govt the power then that authority belongs to the states and the people. I should be thrilled that a govt running an unconstitutional education system wants to speak to my kids about civic service to it ?

Your comparisons make no sense. Armstrong inspiring my kids = good thing. a govt encouraging my kids to bow down and serve them = slavery.

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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Conservative, Liberal, labels and those who point fingers and lay blame on everyone but themselves.

That to me is what the news story should have been titled (no offense to the OP meant).

Political Blame Game Ideology : It's Your Fault

People seem to forget often enough that finger pointing is only distraction from facts. The simpering idiots on Capitol Hill will do anything to divide and conquer the nation, but the incestant bickering amongst these power players gets a bit stupid and idiosyncratic at times.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

What if, just what if, all of this bickering and finger pointing is just to get us off the real culprit of all of this, the entire population of Washington D.C.?

This would be a very useful and successful decoy for them to utilize as a smoke and mirrors tactic in order to make people on both sides of the aisle stand for their party and not for themselves as individual citizens.

Left-wing?

Right-wing?

Conservative?

Liberal?

Who the Hell cares?

The country is falling apart and it seems to me that they are forcing it farther apart by causing the public to be divisive amongst themselves as a diversion tactic in order to keep you guessing about what will happen next, who slept with who, and what politician will have a scandal next about them.

How To Overthrow Your Own Government, Legally and Without Violence, In Order To Survive

The politician's want you to be divided therefore you cannot unite together in order to organize and actually do something creative and make our nation a better place because they will literally be out of a job if you did just that.

As well as that if you are distracted from what is really going on you cannot catch them with their hands in the cookie jar and smack it before they steal any more cookies.

The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve

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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:06 PM
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thank goodness i live in a western state here in america. most of us hate the federal govt with its constant intrusions into our lives.

none of the schools in my county will allow that socialist speech into their classrooms so my kids are safe (for now)

western states like montana, colorado, and idaho are fighting back. we arent enforcing unconstitutional federal mandates and there is talk of withholding fed taxes like gas from the federal govt.

the time for finding a solution with a president is gone. you want real freedom from tyranny ? the answer lies with states the 10th amendment



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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Here's the problems I have with Obama talking to my kids:

1: If the political parties were reversed, there would be a problem, ergo, neither one should be doing it.

2: If it were anything having to do with any sort of religion, it would offend someone, ergo, they would never do it.

3: Alot of the school systems did not say anything about this. This is something that parents should be notified about prior to it happening. Why was it such a secret before it came out in the news? I have to sign a permission slip for my kid to watch a PG rated movie, I have to sign a permission slip for her to take sex-ed.

4: While we are promoting Obama, lets tell the entire story. Why does he surround himself with all the "csars" who need no background checks or senate confirmations and have shady pasts, one of which is a self admitted communist - years back but still doesn't matter - a racist pastor (Rev. Wright), just to name a few.

5: Won't release his school records. Why? And someone like that wants to tell my kids how to do in school?

6: He can't answer a questions that isn't staged or without a teleprompter, so should any of the students at the school in which he is making this show should ask a question, I would have to believe it is pre-scripted to benefit himself.

No thanks.

I didn't like the idea, but since the youtube video came out, no way.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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OK, I don't see what the big deal is.

It's not like the kids will come out of the class, dazed and crazed for the rest of their lives because they watched the President speak. They'll probably forget it a week later.




posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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thanks for a great post mate. points well made and taken.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:15 PM
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I didn't read through the whole thread but I know the Obama haters are having a field day bashing him and saying they wouldn't want THEIR president talking to their children.


Sad? Absolutely. He's your president. The president of the United States.

This is pure nonsense.

I have nothing else to say, as it just saddens me such pathetic individuals refuse to accept the fact their president is actually....good.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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No problem whatsoever.


I try to contribute something intelligent to a discussion when I can.

Loved "Where The Wild Things Are" as a child, by the way. Excellent book.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
I didn't read through the whole thread but I know the Obama haters are having a field day bashing him and saying they wouldn't want THEIR president talking to their children.


Sad? Absolutely. He's your president. The president of the United States.

This is pure nonsense.

I have nothing else to say, as it just saddens me such pathetic individuals refuse to accept the fact their president is actually....good.




Funny you should have such blind faith in a "good" man who has proven nothing.

Even your location places you in the "United States of Deception".....well who exactly do you believe to be the leader of this deceptive state?

Thats right...the great deceiver....the "good" man. The one who keeps a lie firmly planted in his mouth at all times. The forked tongue one who promises the moon and sky and yet delivers dirt.

You of all people, being a resident of the United States of Deception should understand full well why people have a problem with all of this.

And if your president is such a "good" man then YOU follow him. The rest of us will follow our own better judgement.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by smarteye
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I'm sorry to inform you, but if you are not in favor of Obama and his policies than you are either a schizophrenic Republican or a racist. It takes a lot of balls to come right out and say you are a racist. I assume you're declaring yourself a racist, if you deny being a Republican. Now if you claim to be neither Republican or racist you must be a free thinker, the most dangerous of all domestic terrorist.


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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:28 PM
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I've used the phrase "want to help me with_______________" when I was teaching my kids something. They get a kick out of "helping" the Adult.
Anyone with children has used that phrase when trying to teach them something, or at least they should.
And trying to get children to WANT to learn? Helping them to not sit in front of a video game and having them ask questions or get involved in something educational? Sign me up for anyone that do that, be Obama or Bush.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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My kid is notgoing to be in school that day. I've said it before, he's 6. What would/could the president say that I'm not already saying? I do not want a person so partisan to be talking to my kid.
The fact that this "pledge" video has come to the fore is also scary. I know BH told me that it came out months ago, but I didn't know about it then. Trust me, it would have freaked me out then!
As far as him being POTUS, let me take a page from the liberals and state that he hasn't been POTUS long enough for me to trust him. I'll "give him time" to fit into his job.
If I want my kid to learn something of politics, I'll teach him. Just like my 17 year old, he can take it or leave it. Mostly, he just doesn't care, but he is also out of HS now, so POTUSis not an issue with him.
If Elmo, Dora, iCarly, or Darth Vader were to speak at the school, he would be allowed to go.

But a POTUS with such shady connections, such partisan ideologies, such biased associates?

Nope.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:44 PM
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Well, won't you be feeling foolish in the days after....


What would/could the president say that I'm not already saying? I do not want a person so partisan to be talking to my kid.


Ummm...did you not see the irony in that last sentence??

Your son is SIX!!! YOU are already the "partisan:" talker, it would seem, yet you say you don't want anyone "so partisan" talking to him??


He's SIX!! By the weekend, he will have forgotten all about it!

Sheesh! Sad to see another victim of the ideological smear machine. I'd think most on ATS would be above that, not as easily swayed by the BS....



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by admriker444
a lot of comments of "whats wrong with that" is disheartening to me. People dont even realize that theyve been manipulated into thinking far differently than what the founding fathers intended for us.

Your right. The founding fathers expected more than just for the people to listen to a speech during the revolution.



My kids arent here to serve anyone. As long as they dont hurt anyone else they should be free to do nothing or anything, injest anything, smoke anything, eat anything, say anything, and do anythin they dam well please. the govt has no right to tell its agents (us) what to do.

I wish my parents felt the same way when I was growing up. They wouldn't let me do anything. /sarcasm

I understand your point regarding freedom, but I'm just pointing out the irony in your words.

I too am disappointed with the government and the partisan bickering, but let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. The government does serve a purpose and we would be worse off without it. Think of all the things that make this country great and I'll point out the role government had in making that happen. Without it, we would still be individuals living a scant existence on a prairie somewhere in a country that never achieved anything.

The government is the reason we have the economy that we do. For example, the highway system wasn't made because we are a great country. We are a great country because we have the highway system and cheap transportation. Right now the economy isn't doing well, but it's better than never having an economy to begin with.

This doesn't come cheap and at some point requires some sacrifice like paying taxes or some also serve in other ways. This may be an unpopular opinion, but if you want to enjoy all the great things this country has to offer, you should feel obliged to pay in some way. If not, then you don't belong here.

This speech that Obama is giving is harmless and just another subject for the right wing to complain about loosing the election. Well I'm not listening.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Well if this thread accurately represents a cross section of American society, then the US might well be circling the drain.

For god sakes people, the man has not even said his speech yet. Some posters talk about how they mistrust his motives, or that he seems "creepy".
I watch 5 minutes of US based mainstream media and I truly get angry. Fox news, CNN etc...
Some of the garbage that is shown on your TV screens is appalling.
If you are genuinely worried about your 5 year old being brainwashed, start by throwing out your TV set. I don't think you would go that far though...

The mature thing to do is to teach your child to make up his/her own mind. Teach your child to think objectively, and to always ask questions of everything.
Teach you child to reject propaganda.
Teach your child to serve the people, and not the government.
Freedom of speech is also a pillar of democracy...presidential addresses and trash reality shows will always be there.

On a side note, I wonder if any of the posters suspicious of Obama have cared to consider the world of advertising, and it's craft ways in which products are sold. Remember one thing, a happy child is a happy parent. Next time you see a toy/car/holiday/mall being advertised, pay attention to who the advert is directed at. Your 5 year olds are being targetted on a daily basis, at times when they are most likely to be watching TV, at times when you are not around.

Now that the president wants to talk to your kids about education, you have an issue



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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I'd rather spend a fun day with my son and be wrong, then have him go to school and try to explain how god hates him because he is different, doesn't volunteer, or use paper bags at the grocer.

If Obama's speech is all that you and the others say it is, I will personally start a thread stating how wrong I was.

Actually on monday because that's when the speech comes out from the WH.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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Do you guys actually think that public education was better before?

I have yet to meet any American that does not hate the Chinese and North Korean for being Communist or the Arabs for being Muslims. That is taught by parents AND by schools.



Tell your children, LEARN CHEMISTRY, BIOLOGY, PHYSICS, MATH, AND ENGLISH. They can make a living out of that.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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For me it boils down to a couple main points.

The biggest is this.

I do not let my children view anything that i have not pre-screened first.

Period.

As i think any descent parent should. I don't care what he Says he is going to say. I am more interested in what he is actually going to say. Nobody knows because he hasn't said anything yet.

Second is this.

I am more worried about the spin the Teacher will put on this than what he is actually going to say. Case in point. Last January my 6 year old son came home from school and informed me that Obama was the best president we had ever had and that he was going to fix all the worlds problems. He had been in office less than a week. When i asked him how he "knew" all this he told me that his teacher had taught him this in class. Needless to say i was pissed and he was out of that teachers class the next day.

This crap has nothing to do with Education and everything to do with indoctrination and mind control. Me and my family are not playing into it. On a good note, when i asked my sons teacher what they were planning for the 8th she hadn't heard anything about it. When i showed her the links she was appalled and said that in her opinion 1st graders shouldn't be watching this kind of crap. They could know that there was in fact a president but that it should be left at that. They are supposed to be learning how to read and write not , "how they can serve the president "



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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I litterally sat here and shook my head at some of the posts in this thread.

These ad hominem arguments are never going to end and seem to be getting worse as the presidents come and go.
People don't even know what Obama is going to say and already they are screaming that they'll pull their kids from hearing the speech?
Why!?
Isn't the speech going to be made public? Are they being shown this speech in a special room with no supervision around?

I'm really having a hard time understanding what the issue is here...
But alas, maybe being an independent has stripped me of all my critial thought. Democratic/Republican party - here I come!





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