reply to post by marg6043
Indeed.
If the Chinese were to dump all their US holdings the global financial system would break down within hours.
"Conservatives Protest Obama's Nefarious Plot to Have Schoolchildren Learn Things in School", page 3
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reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 12:48 PM by marg6043
reply to post by warrenb
I know but I made a mistake that was for another thread, but thanks my friend at least you know what I am talking about.
I know but I made a mistake that was for another thread, but thanks my friend at least you know what I am talking about.
reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 12:48 PM by admriker444
reply to post by intrepid
you cant see that we already are in a socialistic / fascist system ?
Kennedy was just one of many presidental puppets that have wormed us down this road.
Read CFR documents. its their stated goal to put us under one umbrella regime of socialism.
My govt is an agent to me. Im not a slave to it. I dont owe it any civic duty. Do I volunteer and donate money, yes. But its not the govt job to make it mandatory or force me to do it.
Im not here to serve any president. Kennedy was wrong to ask us "what can we do for it" just as Obama is asking my kkids about civic duty and how they can help the president.
Its a slow system of changing the way people think and its been planned for decades through this joke of an education system.
Ironically I dont oppose much of what these global ellite CFR desire. I think the world could do without much of the population. I think world goverment is a necessary step to end wars and eventually move off into space to colonize other worlds.
I just dont believe in how theyre going about doing it.
you cant see that we already are in a socialistic / fascist system ?
Kennedy was just one of many presidental puppets that have wormed us down this road.
Read CFR documents. its their stated goal to put us under one umbrella regime of socialism.
My govt is an agent to me. Im not a slave to it. I dont owe it any civic duty. Do I volunteer and donate money, yes. But its not the govt job to make it mandatory or force me to do it.
Im not here to serve any president. Kennedy was wrong to ask us "what can we do for it" just as Obama is asking my kkids about civic duty and how they can help the president.
Its a slow system of changing the way people think and its been planned for decades through this joke of an education system.
Ironically I dont oppose much of what these global ellite CFR desire. I think the world could do without much of the population. I think world goverment is a necessary step to end wars and eventually move off into space to colonize other worlds.
I just dont believe in how theyre going about doing it.
reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 12:49 PM by nixie_nox
reply to post by Miraj
More young children can name who ronald mcdonald is but not george washington. And your worried about this?
More young children can name who ronald mcdonald is but not george washington. And your worried about this?
reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 12:54 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by Remixtup
I don't understand.
The little ones have the attention span of -- well, of six-year-olds! This is such a non-issue, in their minds at least.
The older ones will just be glad there isn't a test, or a pop quiz...when I was that age, in school, we all welcomed any break fromt he monotony. Films, the ubiquitous 'filmstrips'...the inevitable equipment break-downs and delays.
Well...this is the electronic age, but still. It's going to be short, it's basically a Civics lesson, nothing more. AND, I daresay a lot of schoolkids in the US could stand to learn more about Civics!
Anyone every watched Jay Leno do his "Jaywalking" comedy bits??
THAT is truly sad. SO had it right, but for another reason.
Maybe its just my opinion, but it makes me squeamish to think the POTUS is going to give this speech to a CAPTIVE audience of pre-k---6th graders.
I don't understand.
The little ones have the attention span of -- well, of six-year-olds! This is such a non-issue, in their minds at least.
The older ones will just be glad there isn't a test, or a pop quiz...when I was that age, in school, we all welcomed any break fromt he monotony. Films, the ubiquitous 'filmstrips'...the inevitable equipment break-downs and delays.
Well...this is the electronic age, but still. It's going to be short, it's basically a Civics lesson, nothing more. AND, I daresay a lot of schoolkids in the US could stand to learn more about Civics!
Anyone every watched Jay Leno do his "Jaywalking" comedy bits??
THAT is truly sad. SO had it right, but for another reason.
reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 12:55 PM by BlackOps719
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
I agree that it is sad when something as simple and as seemingly innocent as an address asking kids to stay in school has to turn into something sinister and politically motivated.
But what does one do when their faith in their government and their respect in its leadership has all but completely dissolved?
I say people are distrustful of this administration and very well they should be. This, at least for me, isnt about any left or right or center. It isnt about politics. It is about recognizing a shill and a liar and a corrupt administration filled with thugs and gangsters for exactly who and what they are.
The sad fact of the matter is our government has failed us in virtually every way, and as such, do not deserve our respect or the benefit of the doubt. I would urge people to be naturally suspicious of career politicians. Especially when it comes to their children!!
When you know for a fact who these people are and what they truly represent it makes it difficult to be that "doe eyed believer" as you stated. How can one fight against everything they know to be true and every gut instinct they have that tells them that these crooks are up to no good?
It is sad that we have two sides of one nation who cant seem to find any common theme, other than the fact that this administration is screwing ALL of us. The only difference is one side willingly accepts it and the other willingly accepts nothing.....even something that could potentially be beneficial to them.
It comes down to whether or not you believe that the politicians have your and your families best interest at heart. I happen to believe they do not.
I agree that it is sad when something as simple and as seemingly innocent as an address asking kids to stay in school has to turn into something sinister and politically motivated.
But what does one do when their faith in their government and their respect in its leadership has all but completely dissolved?
I say people are distrustful of this administration and very well they should be. This, at least for me, isnt about any left or right or center. It isnt about politics. It is about recognizing a shill and a liar and a corrupt administration filled with thugs and gangsters for exactly who and what they are.
The sad fact of the matter is our government has failed us in virtually every way, and as such, do not deserve our respect or the benefit of the doubt. I would urge people to be naturally suspicious of career politicians. Especially when it comes to their children!!
When you know for a fact who these people are and what they truly represent it makes it difficult to be that "doe eyed believer" as you stated. How can one fight against everything they know to be true and every gut instinct they have that tells them that these crooks are up to no good?
It is sad that we have two sides of one nation who cant seem to find any common theme, other than the fact that this administration is screwing ALL of us. The only difference is one side willingly accepts it and the other willingly accepts nothing.....even something that could potentially be beneficial to them.
It comes down to whether or not you believe that the politicians have your and your families best interest at heart. I happen to believe they do not.
reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 01:04 PM by finemanm
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
I am sure that you have never actually lived under communism. My parents, my wife's parents, and many of my friends' parents escaped from the USSR in the 70's and early 80's.
These people with actual experience in the subject have been saying recently, "I thought I left this behind in Russia." This is not an exaggeration. Russians had schools too. Children were also encouraged to read books about their leaders such as Lenin and Stalin.
Children were taught various pledges of allegiance to Quote: Uncle Lenin. What you see is an innocent attempt to speak to children is in reality an indoctrination into this administration's service agenda (read forced volunteerism) of our children. This is the United States. If my child wants to volunteer her time when she is old enough to make those choices, fine. But to push this agenda is leftist, we know whats good for you non-sense.
Adults can make their own choices. We can choose to do the types of things the President stands for, we can choose not to. Mr. Obama has no business telling our kids what to do.
BTW: Watch the youtube vid I posted earlier. Quote: I pledge to be a servant to the President (vid at 3:54). Last time I checked, it is the president that is the public servant, not I.
I am sure that you have never actually lived under communism. My parents, my wife's parents, and many of my friends' parents escaped from the USSR in the 70's and early 80's.
These people with actual experience in the subject have been saying recently, "I thought I left this behind in Russia." This is not an exaggeration. Russians had schools too. Children were also encouraged to read books about their leaders such as Lenin and Stalin.
Children were taught various pledges of allegiance to Quote: Uncle Lenin. What you see is an innocent attempt to speak to children is in reality an indoctrination into this administration's service agenda (read forced volunteerism) of our children. This is the United States. If my child wants to volunteer her time when she is old enough to make those choices, fine. But to push this agenda is leftist, we know whats good for you non-sense.
Adults can make their own choices. We can choose to do the types of things the President stands for, we can choose not to. Mr. Obama has no business telling our kids what to do.
BTW: Watch the youtube vid I posted earlier. Quote: I pledge to be a servant to the President (vid at 3:54). Last time I checked, it is the president that is the public servant, not I.
reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 01:05 PM by admriker444
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
i have no problem with the president asking my kids to think and learn. There is more to his message however.
I dont agree with him asking my kids about civic duty. My kids arent here to serve the goverment.
I dont agree with his lesson plan that asks students things like why is it important to listen to politicians. Again another change of thinking that has been going on so long that posts here show its working.
a lot of comments of "whats wrong with that" is disheartening to me. People dont even realize that theyve been manipulated into thinking far differently than what the founding fathers intended for us.
We arent here to be lectured by our goverment and to do their bidding. These recent town hall meetings clearly show us that the goverment isnt here to do our bidding.
Their intention is to use the Delphi technique to get us to do their bidding and thank them for it because we feel involved. Look that up, its taught by the elite schools on how to win debate and indoctrinate.
And essentially thats what this whole speech is about. Its manipulation at its core to change the way kids think about govt and their role in society.
But there are those like myself that understand and see the delphi technique and wont allow it to go unchallenged.
My kids arent here to serve anyone. As long as they dont hurt anyone else they should be free to do nothing or anything, injest anything, smoke anything, eat anything, say anything, and do anythin they dam well please. the govt has no right to tell its agents (us) what to do.
Unfortunately decades of indoctrination have led us to a society that cant see how ignorant it really is.
i have no problem with the president asking my kids to think and learn. There is more to his message however.
I dont agree with him asking my kids about civic duty. My kids arent here to serve the goverment.
I dont agree with his lesson plan that asks students things like why is it important to listen to politicians. Again another change of thinking that has been going on so long that posts here show its working.
a lot of comments of "whats wrong with that" is disheartening to me. People dont even realize that theyve been manipulated into thinking far differently than what the founding fathers intended for us.
We arent here to be lectured by our goverment and to do their bidding. These recent town hall meetings clearly show us that the goverment isnt here to do our bidding.
Their intention is to use the Delphi technique to get us to do their bidding and thank them for it because we feel involved. Look that up, its taught by the elite schools on how to win debate and indoctrinate.
And essentially thats what this whole speech is about. Its manipulation at its core to change the way kids think about govt and their role in society.
But there are those like myself that understand and see the delphi technique and wont allow it to go unchallenged.
My kids arent here to serve anyone. As long as they dont hurt anyone else they should be free to do nothing or anything, injest anything, smoke anything, eat anything, say anything, and do anythin they dam well please. the govt has no right to tell its agents (us) what to do.
Unfortunately decades of indoctrination have led us to a society that cant see how ignorant it really is.
reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 01:12 PM by getreadyalready
reply to post by admriker444
I may be wrong, but I don't see "Civic Duty" as serving the government in any way! Civic Duty is serving the Community, and our Founding Fathers were all for that! It was very common up until around the 1960's!
All of us debaters are the ones serving the government! We divide and ridicule and undermine anybody with a new approach, because they are from a different party, or because we question their motivations! That is serving the two-party, corporate controlled system, and allowing them to continue to run amuck!
What if evil motivations lead to a wonderful outcome? How many times have good motivations led to horrible results?
I say, take the plan at face value, let any good come that will, and then address any evil side-effects as they arise! You don't kill the patient to get to the virus! Under the mold is a tasty cheese! So on and so forth!
Anyhow, even if he has evil plans, activating the community, pushing education and reading and history are all great things!
I dont agree with him asking my kids about civic duty. My kids arent here to serve the goverment.
I may be wrong, but I don't see "Civic Duty" as serving the government in any way! Civic Duty is serving the Community, and our Founding Fathers were all for that! It was very common up until around the 1960's!
All of us debaters are the ones serving the government! We divide and ridicule and undermine anybody with a new approach, because they are from a different party, or because we question their motivations! That is serving the two-party, corporate controlled system, and allowing them to continue to run amuck!
What if evil motivations lead to a wonderful outcome? How many times have good motivations led to horrible results?
I say, take the plan at face value, let any good come that will, and then address any evil side-effects as they arise! You don't kill the patient to get to the virus! Under the mold is a tasty cheese! So on and so forth!
Anyhow, even if he has evil plans, activating the community, pushing education and reading and history are all great things!
reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 01:16 PM by quaple_pouge
reply to post by intrepid
I'm sorry, "W" reading an age appropriate book to school children is so more different than Obama wanting to address them directly with a specially prepared speech.
I'm sorry, "W" reading an age appropriate book to school children is so more different than Obama wanting to address them directly with a specially prepared speech.
reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 01:19 PM by Animal
Originally posted by quaple_pouge
reply to post by intrepid
I'm sorry, "W" reading an age appropriate book to school children is so more different than Obama wanting to address them directly with a specially prepared speech.
"so more different" is a perfect reason to promote education in the USA.
reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 01:28 PM by nixie_nox
reply to post by admriker444
Oh but I am sure that if you dial 9/11 you expect police to be there. If we are attacked I am sure you expect the military to defend you.
Fact is, those are American citizens who take those jobs.
How many of you would be up in arms about a firefighter coming in and asking kids to practise fire drills? Or a police officer telling kids they can be a police officer too?
Would parents balk at Neil Armstrong encouraging them to like space and they can be an astronaut too?
I seem to remember Arnold going around encouraging kids to get fit.
Oh but I am sure that if you dial 9/11 you expect police to be there. If we are attacked I am sure you expect the military to defend you.
Fact is, those are American citizens who take those jobs.
How many of you would be up in arms about a firefighter coming in and asking kids to practise fire drills? Or a police officer telling kids they can be a police officer too?
Would parents balk at Neil Armstrong encouraging them to like space and they can be an astronaut too?
I seem to remember Arnold going around encouraging kids to get fit.
reply posted on 4-9-2009 @ 01:32 PM by nixie_nox
Originally posted by admriker444
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
My kids arent here to serve anyone. As long as they dont hurt anyone else they should be free to do nothing or anything, injest anything, smoke anything, eat anything, say anything, and do anythin they dam well please. the govt has no right to tell its agents (us) what to do.
And that mentality is the reason that kids have an obesity issue, can't name who the 16th president is, and that we have the entitled generation. Who start a new job on Wednesday and expect a corner office and to be CEO by Friday though they called out Thursday.
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