"Conservatives Protest Obama's Nefarious Plot to Have Schoolchildren Learn Things in School"

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by jimmyx

with that said, i think the american people need a bit more of progressive legislation in their lives, so as to hold onto the middle class of this country. too much of raw capitalism results in a poor/rich society, instead of a balance of a poor/middle class/rich society.

Progressive = Collectivist = Tyranny.

I will not join your social experiment.

What are "you/your system" going to do about that?

then i heartily support you sending back any medicare money you or your family has recieved and not actually paid for, and refuse to accept any in the future...and be sure and send back any social security that you have not actually paid for, and for you to refuse any S.S. monies in the future.

and you should refuse to pay any taxes to anybody because they are a "collective" charge. you should be sent an itemized bill for every local, state, and federal, money that is being spent on your behalf, that "IS" being "collectively" charged. i think burma, laos, and many african countries operate that way

[edit on 5-9-2009 by jimmyx]

Originally posted by AshleyD

Originally posted by mental modulator
Ya you did - I was homing in on "Bully" - which is applied force in my mind.

I understand where you're coming from. But bullying can be so much more than committing violence. It can also be psychological to intimidate others to conform to your will.

dictionary.reference.com...

And that is what this feels like. If a parent makes a personal decision for their child, they shouldn't be bullied and shamed by others whose business it isn't.

Yes I am aware of what bullying entails

force- power to influence, affect, or control; efficacious power: the force of circumstances.

dictionary.reference.com...

I also think the parents of kids who are staying home should not try to scare
others into making their kids stay home as well.

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by jimmyx

with that said, i think the american people need a bit more of progressive legislation in their lives, so as to hold onto the middle class of this country. too much of raw capitalism results in a poor/rich society, instead of a balance of a poor/middle class/rich society.

Progressive = Collectivist = Tyranny.

I will not join your social experiment.

What are "you/your system" going to do about that?

then i heartily support you sending back any medicare money you or your family has recieved and not actually paid for, and refuse to accept any in the future...and be sure and send back any social security that you have not actually paid for, and for you to refuse any S.S. monies in the future.

and you should refuse to pay any taxes to anybody because they are a "collective" charge. you should be sent an itemized bill for every local, state, and federal, money that is being spent on your behalf, that "IS" being "collectively" charged. i think burma, laos, and many african countries operate that way

[edit on 5-9-2009 by jimmyx]

Police, Fire, all branches of the military and national guard, roads, etc, etc are all run collectively for the benefit and safety of our society. Which parts should we opt out of?

I would hate to have to fork over the pay-per-view cost of all missiles and planes that are deployed for my benefit

Originally posted by candide

Police, Fire, all branches of the military and national guard, roads, etc, etc are all run collectively for the benefit and safety of our society. Which parts should we opt out of?

I would hate to have to fork over the pay-per-view cost of all missiles and planes that are deployed for my benefit

I'm for proper Constitutional government.

I'm not playing the stupid "The Fire Dept is Socialism" nonsense.

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by candide

Police, Fire, all branches of the military and national guard, roads, etc, etc are all run collectively for the benefit and safety of our society. Which parts should we opt out of?

I would hate to have to fork over the pay-per-view cost of all missiles and planes that are deployed for my benefit

I'm for proper Constitutional government.

I'm not playing the stupid "The Fire Dept is Socialism" nonsense.

I cant seem to find anything about fire depts in the constitution.

How is it not socialism?

God forbid if kids start learning things in school and become educated...they might start thinking for themselves and become...become Liberals or even worse Democrats.

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by candide

Police, Fire, all branches of the military and national guard, roads, etc, etc are all run collectively for the benefit and safety of our society. Which parts should we opt out of?

I would hate to have to fork over the pay-per-view cost of all missiles and planes that are deployed for my benefit

I'm not playing the stupid "The Fire Dept is Socialism" nonsense.

Ya, you are, these systems are FUNDED, OPERATED and OWN by government, for general use by the public, you are assigning a different category for healthcare because it suits you.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by mental modulator
Uw, Uw, pick me, pick me !!!

Lets see what kind Socialisms Obama practices!

The RECOVERY ACT-

open bid contracts

the STATES and COUNTIES are the executors

AS IN REPUBLIC...

Why would a "socialist" put his name on something that is based on open COMPETITION and give the leave the ultimate contractual decisions to local and state officials? EVERY single contract to be SUB contracted to PRIVATE entities.

SMELLS LIKE -----


CAPITALISM

www.fbo.gov...

Uw, Uw, pick me, pick me!!!

Let's see what form of political model Obama picks...

Takeover of GM, government owns 60% of GM, Canada owns another large portion of it. A previous PRIVATE company is now owned mainly by the U.S. but in part also by CANADA.

Obama passed among the many laws H.R. 1388, in which the Corporation is given total power over all learn-based programs/education, as well as Community Service programs.

The Corporation also has the responsibility to teach professors what to teach children, and this applies not oly to public schools but to private schools as well as schools in reservations.

Another law was passed in which all COMPULSORY Community Srvice will be done without paying Americans, and Emmanuel Rahm, who happens to be Obama's Chief of staff, in case some people don't know, has stated that the Obama administration will require ALL Americans to do some form of Compulsory Community Service. This will include retired, and disabled Americans. This happens in Socialist dictatorships.

And among the many other things the Obama administration also wants to implement the ideology of "redistribution of wealth".

I wonder where those came from...

[edit on 5-9-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

gee...it seems your lying...here's the official summary of the bill:

thomas.loc.gov...:HR01388:@@@D&summ2=m&

now maybe you can show me where its MANDATORY!! and i don't want the FOX NEWS version.

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by candide

Police, Fire, all branches of the military and national guard, roads, etc, etc are all run collectively for the benefit and safety of our society. Which parts should we opt out of?

I would hate to have to fork over the pay-per-view cost of all missiles and planes that are deployed for my benefit

I'm for proper Constitutional government.

I'm not playing the stupid "The Fire Dept is Socialism" nonsense.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general WELFARE of the United States

Welfare
welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being. [

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Funny, the people I know from Russia and other communist countries think we are whining too much and don't know how good we have it.

Really? funny that the only three people in these forums which I know have experienced Communism, have been saying similar things to what I have been saying.

With all due respect Electric, this is an internet forum. I could be a pimply faced 12 year old for all you know. But just for the the record. I am not.

This country is being transformed slowly into some form of Socialist dictatorship. indoctrination of children towards one political agenda of collectivism, which despises individuality, and puts the collective before the individual is always bound to become a dictatorship, because then individual rights are lost.

Exactly what proof do you have of that? What legislation has been passed that has made this a socialist dictatorship? Where are we erasing individuality? How is encouraging people to help others eliminating individuality? I find that helping people is very empowering. Isn't that what human beings are all about? Isn't that what separates us from the animals?

I see nothing wrong with a president getting students to think about what a president should be doing for them, and encouraging them to take part in their own ambitions.

You have any idea how much our education system actually discourages kids from thinking they can't achieve anything? How a student not doing well gets thrown to the side? How if your black or latin, your told you will never amount to anything? As far as I see it, it is inspiring individuality.

Much of the left doesn't want to admit what is happening, even though it is happening right in front of their eyes.

Most of us need proof of something before deciding if it is happening or not. We don't go by fanatical partisan hearsay.

Even a known Communist, Chavez, has stated that President Obama is more to the left than he is. He said it as a joke, but as a true joke, and many Americans do not realize, or want to admit what this means.

Again with all due respect, are you quoting Chavez? Sounds like the man is having a grand ol time adding fuel to the fire.

Originally posted by grover
God forbid if kids start learning things in school and become educated...they might start thinking for themselves and become...become Liberals or even worse Democrats.

yeah...you know your right...lets let all the right-wingers kids stay home from schools. i can't believe they are so scared to have their kids hear obama tell them to work hard, study, stay in school, don't be discouraged, try and make a better life for yourself by becoming more educated.
apparently to the rightwingers, that is so un-patriotic and un-american.

reply to post by tommy_boy


True, I agree I just don't trust politicians to set politics aside...

We will see after his adress....

Originally posted by mental modulator

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by candide

Police, Fire, all branches of the military and national guard, roads, etc, etc are all run collectively for the benefit and safety of our society. Which parts should we opt out of?

I would hate to have to fork over the pay-per-view cost of all missiles and planes that are deployed for my benefit

I'm for proper Constitutional government.

I'm not playing the stupid "The Fire Dept is Socialism" nonsense.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general WELFARE of the United States

Welfare
welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being. [

reply to post by VinceP1974


Leftist leftist, racist, denial, deflection, etc. etc. You only have proven that you, like most of the shrieking masses these days at these tea party/town halls aren't worthy of serious consideration.

Your hatred is blind and your ignorance is self imposed and you cling to it like a security blanket.

Bother someone else.

I am watching cnn this morning.

I see the crap going on.

I post a comment that I have the ability to call my daughter's school, talk to her teacher, decide for myself.

If the white house is gonna let me see the speech, which I am sure they will, there will be a telepromter won't there?

If I speak to my daughter's teacher and she says they will not use DoE materials then what?

What do I have to BI##H about then?

They read my comment on the air. I am not the only one. It is a parent's due diligence.

Originally posted by mental modulator

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by candide

I'm for proper Constitutional government.

I'm not playing the stupid "The Fire Dept is Socialism" nonsense.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general WELFARE of the United States

Welfare
welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being. [

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by mental modulator

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by candide

Police, Fire, all branches of the military and national guard, roads, etc, etc are all run collectively for the benefit and safety of our society. Which parts should we opt out of?

I would hate to have to fork over the pay-per-view cost of all missiles and planes that are deployed for my benefit

I'm for proper Constitutional government.

I'm not playing the stupid "The Fire Dept is Socialism" nonsense.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general WELFARE of the United States

Welfare
welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being. [

Well, whoever wrote the article that you're quoting from didn't read the fine print. I don't know where he got the idea that Barky's speech is about "staying in school" but that's not the whole story at all. Each student, originally, was supposed to write up a two page paper about what the President said, any ideas they have about it, and how they plan to help see it through. He will talk about the "reality" of global warming, the necessity for a cap-and-trade tax system (already passed by Con-gress as, guess what, the biggest tax increase in US history! Eat that sh!t, middle class (if any of you are left))
the importance of multiculturalism, and other things.

I sure as hell don't want this dufus anywhere near my son. Anyone wanting to know about Obama, research the following:

Muslim School in Indonesia
Sol Alinsky
Ford Foundation
Change Agent
Marxism (Silent Revolution)

That'll get you started. I wish to emphasize, this is not a conspiracy theory. According to Barky's own book he went to a Muslim school in Indonesia. He lived there for the "formative years" of his life. His father was a British-born Kenyan Marxist. It is not a contested fact. They play with your mind, getting you to argue the merits of his Administration's and party's goals (the Obama administration is more of a nightmare than the previous one, a veritable dream team of narcissists and socialists, internationalists and globalists.)

He has no love for this country, no love for our Constitution, no respect for the American people. He has evinced a hybrid design similar in tactics to Stalin, Hitler, Mao, esp. Mussolini, but pursues it only to the point of implementation. We in "Amerika" now have more Czars that Soviet Russia c. 1988. We have socialized the mortgage industry, insurance industry, auto industry, scientific "industry" through grants and pensions. We live in a Socialist State, moving quickly through Marxism into full-blown military-enforced Fascism. And people can't even stop bitching over whether our Imposter in Chief was born in Hawaii or Kenya.

God Save America.

Originally posted by candide
I cant seem to find anything about fire depts in the constitution.

How is it not socialism?

Wow! Something not in the Constitution the Democrats in Washington haven't tried grabbing control of yet! That IS amazing!

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

I’m sorry, but I don’t want the President of the United States asking or telling the kids of the United States to do anything. This isn’t 1950s China.

Seriously???

I have said plenty of times that Obama is scary, but who in their right mind doesn't want the POTUS asking the kids of the US to do anything?

I want my president to expect the most out of our kids! I want him to be disappointed when any child fails, or drops out, or can't read! I want the bar set extremely high for all the students!! I am tired of seeing an "All Chinese" Physics department at my University! I am tired of seeing all the foreign students in the Library, while the American students are getting trashed and passing around STD's!!

In some of my Chemical Engineering classes, the best students were Female, Muslim, exchange students from Iran!! That should be a little more unsettling than a President asking the kids to do some community service!!

Are we so politically divided that we can't see any good coming from this? Why don't we let the good happen, and then draw the line at some point before it becomes Socialism or Naziism? We are smart, our kids are smart, surely we can have the best of the best of this?

Edit to add a true story:
I asked one of the Iranian girls why they came to the US if they disagreed with our lifestyle so much. Her response was, "We want our country to be great! We buy the best and cheapest rice from China, and we buy our Educations from the West! We don't have to agree with your lifestyle to see a good deal and capitalize on it!"

[edit on 4-9-2009 by getreadyalready]

The only problem I see w/ your post you and Obama are not on the same page. AND, surely some of those 'foreigners' are actually Amercians.