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Originally posted by VinceP1974
Originally posted by Angus123
Federal tyranny...? Are you serious with that? After everything the last administration did, NOW there's tyranny from the government?
You're not concerned about real tyranny at all. You're concerned that the right is out of power, as evidenced by your overuse of the words collectivist and leftist in your post.
Clinton had so many people that hated him with a passion. The actors this time around are all the same, except Clinton has been replaced by a black man, and oh... my... god... the RIGHT is in an ultra-tizzy.
And take a class in logic. Administration B being tryanical is not a function of Administration A. And in case you haven't noticed Administration A is gone. Duh.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
I'm sad.
Sad and disheartened.
Sad, disheartened, and fearful of the future when here, a venue of "denying ignorance," we see so many people beholding to the sensationalist lies of "news as entertainment" media pundits as well as the blind "worship" of a politician with graceful words.
If anyone, or any group of people should know better, it should be us.
Regardless of your support of whichever artificially constructed "side" of the contemporary political spectrum, no student engaged in learning the art of critical thinking should ever be denied the opportunity to hear a sitting president. In fact, regardless of the ideology represented by the nameplate on the oval office, I'd prefer an address to students every semester of every school year.
Some of the comments in this thread, and the plethora of other left-versus-right threads on ATS, demonstrate (to a lesser degree than the debacle impairing our nation) the culture we have wrought -- one where knowledge is not embraced and innuendo rules the day.
The strategy of "Damn the country, Obama must fail" has taken a deep hold on the rhetoric of the "right-side" political entertainers... and even here on ATS we see belief in the sensational lies.
Sad.
I don't like, but understand the "left-side" doe-eyed hope that Obama represents real change. If only that were true, I'd love to be doe-eyed but for a time. His graceful words are are little more than wonderfully crafted emptiness.
Sad.
But, as Nixon has shown us, from time to time even the most despicable politician can emerge with well-intended ideas. The motivation for the ideas may be misguided, but even a lumbering stumbling step in the right direction, is a step in the right direction.
The president asking our children to think and learn, is a step in the right direction. Be it Bush, Obama, Regan, Clinton... it's something I want to hear.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
It should be he option and decision of every parent, and every American. But instead this is being required of all children to watch this.
Originally posted by VinceP1974
reply to post by VinceP1974
Nothing demostrates the differences between Leftist and Conservative thinking than the Left's obsession with Race.
EVERYTHING is about Race. EVERYTHING EVERYTHING.
You will rarely see a Conservative bring race into something which is not directly about it.... that's because WE DONT CARE ABOUT ANYONE'S RACE.
The Left is obssessed because they are compelled to stereotype people and merge them into groups.
So to you annoying Leftists, eager to call other people Racists.. get it through your head.. WE DO NOT THINK LIKE YOU DO .. WE DO NOT SEE RACE EVERYWHERE.. WE SEE INDIVIDUAL PERSONS.
Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
Thanks, EU.
Yes, I understand why the parents are against it. My previous post was basically directed at those who wish to criticize the parents for whatever choice they make. It seems a lot of heat is coming down on the parents who are choosing to dismiss their children from viewing the address but that is very, very wrong.
It should be the parent's decision and not anyone else's business. That's what I'm trying to say. In other words, haggle over the video and the politics but leave the parents alone. We're not going to be bullied or shamed into doing what the state tells us.
Originally posted by mental modulator
Originally posted by VinceP1974
reply to post by VinceP1974
Nothing demostrates the differences between Leftist and Conservative thinking than the Left's obsession with Race.
EVERYTHING is about Race. EVERYTHING EVERYTHING.
You will rarely see a Conservative bring race into something which is not directly about it.... that's because WE DONT CARE ABOUT ANYONE'S RACE.
The Left is obssessed because they are compelled to stereotype people and merge them into groups.
So to you annoying Leftists, eager to call other people Racists.. get it through your head.. WE DO NOT THINK LIKE YOU DO .. WE DO NOT SEE RACE EVERYWHERE.. WE SEE INDIVIDUAL PERSONS.
IF you see individual PERSONS, why do you need to use the word Leftist, Collectivist,
Communists, Left...
Talk about stereo typing into groups...
YOU leftists
Lefters
Leftieists
Collectileftos
Originally posted by VinceP1974
That's why you folks call everyone you disagree with racists, right?
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by cranberrydork
...........
The OP's point has been made. Actually, many person's points have been made. Knee-jerk, reactionary dogma has replaced "using your brains."
Actually, the only ones who obviously are not "using their brains" happen to be people like you....
When the president has shown to want to implement laws, and taxes having to do with CO2 and the hoax of "Global Warming", when the president and his administration have been talking about Compulsory Community Service, even by children and then children are being asked "what do you think the president wants you to do?" among other "indoctrination techniques. What do you think the children are going to say, and believe?
Use your brain a little bit.
Originally posted by jimmyx
with that said, i think the american people need a bit more of progressive legislation in their lives, so as to hold onto the middle class of this country. too much of raw capitalism results in a poor/rich society, instead of a balance of a poor/middle class/rich society.
Originally posted by mental modulator
Uw, Uw, pick me, pick me !!!
Lets see what kind Socialisms Obama practices!
The RECOVERY ACT-
open bid contracts
the STATES and COUNTIES are the executors
AS IN REPUBLIC...
Why would a "socialist" put his name on something that is based on open COMPETITION and give the leave the ultimate contractual decisions to local and state officials? EVERY single contract to be SUB contracted to PRIVATE entities.
SMELLS LIKE -----
CAPITALISM
www.fbo.gov...
Originally posted by VinceP1974
Originally posted by mental modulator
Originally posted by VinceP1974
reply to post by VinceP1974
Nothing demostrates the differences between Leftist and Conservative thinking than the Left's obsession with Race.
EVERYTHING is about Race. EVERYTHING EVERYTHING.
You will rarely see a Conservative bring race into something which is not directly about it.... that's because WE DONT CARE ABOUT ANYONE'S RACE.
The Left is obssessed because they are compelled to stereotype people and merge them into groups.
So to you annoying Leftists, eager to call other people Racists.. get it through your head.. WE DO NOT THINK LIKE YOU DO .. WE DO NOT SEE RACE EVERYWHERE.. WE SEE INDIVIDUAL PERSONS.
IF you see individual PERSONS, why do you need to use the word Leftist, Collectivist,
Communists, Left...
Talk about stereo typing into groups...
YOU leftists
Lefters
Leftieists
Collectileftos
The Left chooses to act in concert , in GROUPthink. Thus it was their choice. So you see, I make exceptions to my world view in order to conform to reality. I dont ignorantly or unrealistically still regard Leftists as individual because they themselves don't.
Thats another area where you Lefties fail. You do not take people at their word. You do not accept the reasons they give for why they do what they do. Instead you assign to them whatever reason your obsolete and presumptions worldview says they should have.
That's why you folks call everyone you disagree with racists, right?
[edit on 5-9-2009 by VinceP1974]
Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by mental modulator
Please notice I said 'bully and shame.'
I just heard about this in detail for the first time yesterday and already I've seen parents who are opting to keep their child home that day be accused of:
1). Dividing America.
2). Racism.
3). Acting like nutcases.
4). Having biases along party lines.
5). Only caring about their children now but not being a good parent in other areas.
6). Not respecting the position of the president/being unpatriotic.
7). Brainwashing their children into their own beliefs.
8). Being ignorant.
I'm sure there are more but those stood out to me in the 24 hours or so I've been keeping up with this.
[edit on 9/5/2009 by AshleyD]
Google Video Link |
Originally posted by Animal
Originally posted by exile1981
This article highlights it beautifully.
#1 the lefty rag makes the right look like loony bastards for their response to obama's message to children on education.
#2 the right totally go loony over a speech intended to talk to kids about the importance of education and some how equate it to communist china and nazi germany.
both sides just need to shut the hell up, take a few deep breaths and start acting like adults, unless they are in fact children in which case they just need to 'play nice'.
we (the people of the usa) have become our own worst enemies.
Originally posted by mental modulator
Ya you did - I was homing in on "Bully" - which is applied force in my mind.