"Conservatives Protest Obama's Nefarious Plot to Have Schoolchildren Learn Things in School"

reply to post by FlyersFan

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Nice work on using a source that SPINS the real information. But a staple none the less.

from your post / source:



Ah but the real source which is hte information given to schools by the DOE says this:



Really quite different than the spin you would put on it. This is about learning about presidents in general and thinking about the topic not just Obama that is simply more of the crap I am trying to talk about. The worthless debates so many here in the USA are hooked on as if it were crack.




When in actuality the whole 'during the speach' text is as follows:





Again maybe read the document and then comment. Your hype on the issue is exactly what is killing this country. Your so obsessed with the 'other side' being wrong and evil all you can do is attack.

There is nothing in this document that loos like indoctrination yet it is all you can see. Where is the link to China other than in the right wing spin the gate keepers dump on you and you regurgitate here.

Pathetic barely begins to describe the state of affairs in the nation today.

Wake up.

Edit to add: The Link

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reply to post by intrepid

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I understand your point, and God knows I have never been any fan of Bush Jr....if anything those kids were probably teaching him to read


Look....Im all for education and I think it is an important issue to press on, I just get a very creepy, disingenuous vibe from Obama. When he talks about addressing young children ...AFTER that whole business with the "youth brigades" that he had alluded to earlier in his term...I have to admit the creepiness factor goes through the roof.

If he wants to spend an hour or so letting kids know education is important...fine. No harm done. But I for one see ulterior motives and agendas behind his actions.

Some people see a kind and helpful face when Obama smiles, I see a sly tooth grin similar to the Grinch. I don't hate the man or wish him ill, but I, and apparently millions of other folks out there, simply do not trust his intentions or his word.

Probably because he has lied consistently since his January inauguration, and I see this as just another political ploy.

Just my own personal opinion, obviously. Considering the awful mess that the rest of the nation is currently in, I guess BHO talking to a bunch of elementary school kids is the least of our worries.

reply to post by Animal

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This is the classroom topic discussion page BEFORE revision

PreK?6 Menu of Classroom Activities: President Obama�s Address to Students Across America Produced by Teaching Ambassador Fellows, U.S. Department of Education September 8, 2009 Before the Speech: � Teachers can build background knowledge about the President of the United States and his speech by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama and motivate students by asking the following questions: Who is the President of the United States? What do you think it takes to be President? To whom do you think the President is going to be speaking? Why do you think he wants to speak to you? What do you think he will say to you? � Teachers can ask students to imagine being the President delivering a speech to all of the students in the United States. What would you tell students? What can students do to help in our schools? Teachers can chart ideas about what they would say. � Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important? During the Speech: � As the President speaks, teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful. Students could use a note?taking graphic organizer such as a Cluster Web, or students could record their thoughts on sticky notes. Younger children can draw pictures and write as appropriate. As students listen to the speech, they could think about the following: What is the President trying to tell me? What is the President asking me to do? What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about? � Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do something. Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people? � Students can record any questions they have while he is speaking and then discuss them after the speech. Younger children may need to dictate their questions. After the Speech: � Teachers could ask students to share the ideas they recorded, exchange sticky notes or stick notes on a butcher paper poster in the classroom to discuss main ideas from the speech, i.e. citizenship, personal responsibility, civic duty. � Students could discuss their responses to the following questions: What do you think the President wants us to do? Does the speech make you want to do anything? Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us? What would you like to tell the President? � Create posters of their goals. Posters could be formatted in quadrants or puzzle pieces or trails marked with the labels: personal, academic, community, country. Each area could be labeled with three steps for achieving goals in those areas. It might make sense to focus on personal and academic so community and country goals come more readily. � Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short?term and long?term education goals. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals. � Write goals on colored index cards or precut designs to post around the classroom. � Interview and share about their goals with one another to create a supportive community. � Participate in School wide incentive programs or contests for students who achieve their goals. � Write about their goals in a variety of genres, i.e. poems, songs, personal essays. � Create artistic projects based on the themes of their goals. � Graph student progress toward goals.

I hope he tells all the kiddies why he is against the voucher program that would let these kids take the government's money to go to a nice private school rather than a failing public school while his kids are in a prestigious private school.

Typical left wing BS. You sacrifice so I don't have too.

reply to post by Remixtup

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link please, I am having a hard time reading it in this format. cheers.

the indoctrination is simple. he is trying to change the way our citizens think. Its easy to see. He asks students a question, what way can you help the President"

hello, socialism calling.

my children werent put on this planet to serve any President. And Obama can take his proposal for a national service day - translation socialistic slave day - and shove it.

The President is here to serve ME in a constitutional republic. What Obama is doing is changing the way kids think about govt.

Oh and please stop falling for the left-right garbage. fox news and msnbc are here to debate so people wont see who iss behind the curtains.

read up on delphi techniques and the heglian dialect. its taught to the global elite's kids

Gibbs shouldn't you be getting ready for a press conference or something?

Seriously I could say that anyone who believes giving money to acorn to stop a recesion is "Fruittier than bat poop", but it adds nothing to the discourse. Personally both sides are acting like winney children with there own and not the countries interests at heart.

Where do I start?

Obama encouraging kids to read.

Good.

Obama encouraging kids to read books written about him?

Egocentric. Just a bit.

Someone certainly has a high regard for himself. All that's left is for him to encourage kids to erect a statue in his honor.

Why ask kids how they want to change the world, how they could make the world a better place when we (or he) can just as well reinforce what Obama wants.

reply to post by Remixtup

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What the hell is all of that about? What kind of wierd business is that to be asking a third grader?

Sounds like something chairman Mao or Kim Jong would do.

"What can I do for Dear leader? What obediance does Dear leader demand of me?"

Very Orwellian I must say. Makes you wonder what sort of socialist think tank helped devise those questions.

WOOT! WE HAVE A WINNER!

Thank you for being one of the few I have seen whose reply is even partially directly related to the TOPIC of my thread.

Yes, both sides are acting like children.

This article highlights it beautifully.

#1 the lefty rag makes the right look like loony bastards for their response to obama's message to children on education.

#2 the right totally go loony over a speech intended to talk to kids about the importance of education and some how equate it to communist china and nazi germany.

both sides just need to shut the hell up, take a few deep breaths and start acting like adults, unless they are in fact children in which case they just need to 'play nice'.

we (the people of the usa) have become our own worst enemies.

Uh huh:

YouTube Link

That's damn near 50 years old and I didn't see America fall into a socialist regime.





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And instilling a sense of community in people is a bad thing? There's far too much of "What's my country doing for me" right now and look at the state of the country. The worst I've seen in 40 years.

reply to post by Animal

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If you read the actual release, children are instructed to read about PRESIDENTS of the usa including obama. the focus is clear 'presidents'. don't let the spin make you dizzy.

one more example of what i am talking about. all the crap we are currently hurling at each other leaves us all LESS informed than if we were simply to act on the TRUTH.

the spin is making us ignorant. the conflict makes us weak. WAKE UP!

Edit to add: Remixtup, thanks.

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Looking over this, I still believe you have to be looking for something to have a problem with to actually have a problem with this.

reply to post by admriker444

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Well...I am simply responding to this latest post, because it displays the same rhetorical ditto-head cookie-cutter thinking promulgated by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn beck, and Fox "News", et al.

It is a knee-jerk reaction to ANYTHING this President does!!

No matter that the entire transcript of his speech is being made available beforehand, so parents and school adminstrators can decide for themselves the level of "Indoctrination" that is going to happen here.

No, no, better to foam at one's mouth and flail about, declaring BEFORE any of the facts are known, that it is the "Hitler Youth" reborn...or whatever sorry excuse for thinking has been thrown out into the mix, just to stir the pot.

It has become second nature, by now...for the far Right to follow the same patterns they began to hone as President Obama's nomination became a fact.

SPIN everything related to the man out of context...because people will blindly follow. I dare not accuse anyone here at ATS of this, for it would be rude. BUT, I am reminded of a certain pejorative term that is bandied about in reference to others who haven't "awoken" to all the horrors and conspiracies that surely abound left and right; the term is "sheeple".

It seems, to me, that many of the pundits, talking heads, rabble-rousers out there in Right-Wing Land of TV, Radio, and Print media, are relying on the "sheeple", as it were, to follow blindly --- as long as it is anything that criticizes the current President.

Am I wrong? Am I the only one who sees nothing "fair and balanced" in the Fox "News" style of spin? Because, as much as people here like to decry other media outlets as "biased", because they -- gasp!-- repport facts, instead of whipping up innuendo...???

reply to post by Animal

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Maybe its just my opinion, but it makes me squeamish to think the POTUS is going to give this speech to a CAPTIVE audience of pre-k---6th graders. Middle and highschoolers maybe but...I have a 5th 3rd and a 1st grader, And we have a lovely sept 8th planned @ the museum of science and industry ...in of all places...CHICAGO!! lol...oh the irony

I'm sad.

Sad and disheartened.

Sad, disheartened, and fearful of the future when here, a venue of "denying ignorance," we see so many people beholding to the sensationalist lies of "news as entertainment" media pundits as well as the blind "worship" of a politician with graceful words.

If anyone, or any group of people should know better, it should be us.

Regardless of your support of whichever artificially constructed "side" of the contemporary political spectrum, no student engaged in learning the art of critical thinking should ever be denied the opportunity to hear a sitting president. In fact, regardless of the ideology represented by the nameplate on the oval office, I'd prefer an address to students every semester of every school year.

Some of the comments in this thread, and the plethora of other left-versus-right threads on ATS, demonstrate (to a lesser degree than the debacle impairing our nation) the culture we have wrought -- one where knowledge is not embraced and innuendo rules the day.

The strategy of "Damn the country, Obama must fail" has taken a deep hold on the rhetoric of the "right-side" political entertainers... and even here on ATS we see belief in the sensational lies.


Sad.


I don't like, but understand the "left-side" doe-eyed hope that Obama represents real change. If only that were true, I'd love to be doe-eyed but for a time. His graceful words are are little more than wonderfully crafted emptiness.


Sad.


But, as Nixon has shown us, from time to time even the most despicable politician can emerge with well-intended ideas. The motivation for the ideas may be misguided, but even a lumbering stumbling step in the right direction, is a step in the right direction.

The president asking our children to think and learn, is a step in the right direction. Be it Bush, Obama, Regan, Clinton... it's something I want to hear.

reply to post by intrepid

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Sorry wrong post for the wrong thread.

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There's a big difference between "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"

and

"ask not what your president can do for you, ask what you can do for your president."

no, i don't believe Obama's ever said those exact words - as then he'd be transparent himself - but his messages are clear. Obama, Obama, Obama.