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"Conservatives Protest Obama's Nefarious Plot to Have Schoolchildren Learn Things in School"

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posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 07:46 AM
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here is my take on this...liberals attack right-wingers for what they have done...right wingers attack liberals for what they might do.




posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by tommy_boy

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by tommy_boy


Holy crap. This chart again?!!?

DUDE!!! This spending is in response to EIGHT YEARS of piss poor management! The deficits BEGAN to skyrocket under your previous president (who actually was handed a surplus)! Additional spending is in response to a collapsed American economy, a dying auto industry, and the worst recession in decades.

It doesn't matter how many times you post this graphic, it still doesn't make it Obama's fault. Find a new graphic at least!!! Change it's colors! Give it a funny hat! SOMETHING!! Quit pimping it as some definitive proof of Obama ruining the country. "Anyone with a brain" and more than 3 years in this country knows we're all paying for the previous president's mess.



Completely irrational response.


haha! You might as well have said "DO NOT COMPUTE!!! DO NOT COMPUTE!!! OVERLOAD!!!!" I know, truth hurts.

I just gave you a pretty damn good reality check, and lesson on Cause and Effect; explained to you how this deficit is someone else's fault, and your response was "Completely Irrational Response."

Oooookay!!!!


I don't think that he had a completely irrational response at all. Personally, I don't trust anyone within the democratic or republican party because none of them represent the American people. However, your posting gave no REALITY CHECK that you speak of, and no matter how many times you post it, there is information that runs contrary to the biased intel that you provided.

Until many of you let the war of egos go, you will be stuck in a situation of proving yourself correct or incorrect while collectively missing the main point...right or wrong.

It does not matter who is in office if they are elected from the two party system. The results will always be the same and the economy will always favor the wealthy. And just for the record, lets say that all of the information that you provided is correct...It doesn't change anything, DOES IT? You're arguing a moot point that holds no merit to the people who run this nation. While you bicker with another American on superficial issues, the elite pass their laws, rape the taxpayers and continue onward with self serving agendas. And tell me, what good is all of your knowledge if it isn't put into use against the system that you are protesting. Because all I can see is that you seem proud to have agitated another victim of the system by flaunting what you believe is superior knowledge. Does that compute???



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by Relative Five
What makes anyone here believe that the President of the United States is actually looking out for OUR and OUR CHILDREN'S best interests?

Fallow the money trail please.

Look at the people around him please.

Look deep into your heart please.


Wow...where was all of this rationalization when 911 happened? FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL is the best advice that anyone could have received, and yet, I bet YOU (Mr. "follow the money trail") actually believed that 911 was perpetrated by terrorists. When 911 occurred, who profited the most??? I guess that would be Haliburton and Carlisle right??? But, I bet you actually believed the "Al Qaeda in Iraq" hype despite the fact that the buildings fell straight down as if they were being professionally demolished. And what was that about building 7 again??? Oh yeah, it wasn't hit by an airplane...was it???

Nonetheless, I've been watching this weird flip flop happen as a result of this new administration. The liberals are all defending Obama, the right has turned into conspiracy theorists, and the intellectuals are all laughing at the fallout.

You're all being played like a chessboard because you still believe in partisanship. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. They are the rich, the wealthy, and the elite. We are the pawns that have become subservient to a huge illusion of separatism. Until we unite and realize the grand scale of the "program," we will inevitably lose more rights and freedoms due to our apathy and inaction. Trust me when I say this...no matter how much you guys complain and bicker on ATS, things will continue on its current path.

As far as the topic goes, there is nothing wrong with children getting an education. If you want to blast the current administration for anything, it should be how Obama changed American laws on indefinite detentions for reasons of National Security. That is a far greater threat than Obama giving a speech to children about choosing to be serious about their education. Anyone who sees education and intellect as a threat should be put to sleep so that they can no longer negatively affect the progress and development of their children.

FOR THOSE WHO SEEM TO BE AGAINST EDUCATION, HAVE YOU SEEN THE MOVIE IDIOCRACY??? IF NOT, IT IS A MUST SEE AND IT WILL HOPEFULLY SERVE AS AN EYE OPENER TO THE HOPELESSLY IGNORANT. As far as I can tell, the movie IDIOCRACY seems to be more prophetic than I had initially thought. The majority of people on these chatlines can't even spell the simplest of words and yet seem to have opinions on complex political issues that they cannot even comprehend.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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...Really...this is what the left and right has to offer... I have seen now that the republican and democratic supports in this forum have finger pointed them selves right in to a corner. So I will speak directly to the people who have opened their eyes to the fact the the right and left have ran this country righ into the ground. Everyone should take a look at the weakness that is on display right in front of you. If you see what I see then you see a wide open chance to take this country back from the chains that choke hold us. These people cant even trust the leaders they them selves have voted in. Here's whats going to happen on PASS day.
SEX!...yep thats right SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX...and more SEX..cause thats what ..NOT all kids but a whole helluva lot do when they have a day off from school. Now this doesn't bother me I believe in education about things and sex falls right under that. But it would be interesting to see how many teen age girls who come from conservative parents who support PASS day get knocked up



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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If you look at the town halls and tea party crazy fests, they spit the word socialist out of their mouths like it was covered in poo. It is being used as a weapon to make people afraid of the president.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by Angus123
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


If you look at the town halls and tea party crazy fests, they spit the word socialist out of their mouths like it was covered in poo. It is being used as a weapon to make people afraid of the president.


I found that it's usually collectivists of some sort who get all hung up over these definitions.

What they fail to understand, which is odd because they're so superior to everyone else, is that we can't predict the future.

We dont know the exact implementation of Collectivism that Hussien is aiming for... so because he shows behavior patterns that could fall under numerous flavors of Collectivism, he is inconsistently labeled. But that's his fault for not just being honest about who he is. It's not our fault for trying to figure it out.

All forms of collectivism are Leftist .

Mussilini formulated Fascism out of marxism and American progressivism as the main economic components.

Socialism, Communism, National Socialism.. all Collectivisms.

That Communism wanted claim to be seen as the only legitimate Leftist movement started the propaganda machine that falsely portrayed Germany and Italy as Right-Wing.

But they're all Left wing.

Things like racism and nationalism I believe are transcendent

'm amused by people who get all technical about socialism. You see it a lot on here. "Oh you dont even knwo what the word means"

Well gee.. I dont think we have a billion words to choose from in order to describe a system that is unfolding in front of us but yet none of us are being told , explicitly, where the destination is.

So we have to more or less guess and/or use terms of convenience.

More normal folks have no problem understanding what socialism means when used in a context.

The few words we have to choose from are usually historical words describing very specific national systems. So of course many will not have a totally valid definition to describe anything here.

We're supposed to have liberty anyway. We're not supposed to have a word to describe Federal tyranny.

[edit on 5-9-2009 by VinceP1974]



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 10:01 AM
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In my public school school experience which is my entire school experience, which was from 89-01. Throughout all grades we had presentations and letters and addresses from teh president or some government yahoo, and the general feeling about it was it went in one ear and out the other, no one gave a crap because we were all into video games or magic cards or pogs etc.

The few who did buy into it were destined to be co dependant followers anyways. But on the safe side i would definitely instruct my child, if i had one, not to listen to the speech.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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Funny, the people I know from Russia and other communist countries think we are whining too much and don't know how good we have it.

Since your family has been here 30 years maybe they have developed the American propensity for drama.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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Those taxes also pay for the president. And believe it or not,like it or not. the fed government does affect education. Our education system is reeling from the disaster called No Child Left Behind.

Should education be left to the states? Certainly. But there still has to be some oversight, because you have nightmares like Louisiana. NO offense to anyone here from there. And the children are the ones paying for it.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Nicademus
I am more worried about the spin the Teacher will put on this than what he is actually going to say.


Bingo.....

Every single one of these weak-minded mommies and daddies, minus the home-schoolers, will continue to send their precious little snowflakes to school where.....
Every single teacher they encounter will influence them......and the bleating, slogan parroting parents will choose to stay totally ignorant of that fact.....

It won't be a superflu that gets us....it won't be an invasion of immigrants....it won't be an asteroid or an alien invasion....

The stupid will kill us.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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Hey, listen Reagan and Bush did the same exact thing. I'm not a huge fan of what the President's been doing but some of you guys go too far:

www.washingtonmonthly.com...



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by smarteye
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I'm sorry to inform you, but if you are not in favor of Obama and his policies than you are either a schizophrenic Republican or a racist.

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posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:13 PM
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posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
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I'm not an Obama fan but I am a fan of logic and I'm seeing little here. What does Acorn or any of the other things that's been brought up in this thread have to do with the topic anyways? He want to talk to the kids about the importance of education. And we get this? If he walks on water and brings peace to the middle east you guys would still complain about him. THAT'S not logical.


You say you are not an Obama fan, yet you claim that if he is able to walk on water, and bring peace to the middle east as if he had some sort of superpower, that we will not support him....

There was a televised interview in which some other Obama supporter also claimed Obama was like "God"...

BTW, one thing is READING A CHILDREN'S BOOK to kids, and another is indoctrinating children into the leftwing propaganda.

We all know, and you should too that Obama, and his entire administration back the Global Warming hoax, and they want to implement several taxes on CO2, as well as laws which will be enforeced by the Obama's youth which will have power to enforce this laws according to H.R.1388.

We also know that Obama backs Socialist programs, including the takeover of of automakers like GM.

There are even laws which were passed under President Obama, in which children have to do Compulsory Community Service, at least starting since secondary, but another group of Demorats is trying to pass another law in which children form primary will have to do Compulsory Community Service.

Do you know how Socialist programs began to work in countries like Cuba?
For example, in order to graduate children would have to have a certain amount of points, if children took classes like Russian, instead of English, they will get points for learning Russian, but no points for learning English. this is a form of indocrination, and it is exactly how the Obama administration is starting to implement Socialist programs.

What i don't really understand is that Americans who have no experience whatsoever on Socialism, and I am not talking about the mixed Socialism in European countries, have continued to dismiss in these forums people like myself who have been warning about this thing exactly.

There are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of other people who are now Americans but once experienced the Socialism which is being implemented in the U.S.

The following are similar warnings that people like myself have been telling those Americans who want to believe in fairy tales, and think "it will never happen here"..



But you people keep claiming this is not true. Some members have even gone so far as to claim that people like myself are lying, and are being paid off by some rightwing group.
Even though every program and plan being implemented by the Obama administration was implemented by Socialist dictatorships, including Hitler's Germany.

Some of you also keep claiming there is no bias on the website, but if i were to start a thread, and use the same insults on the left like the original poster did to all Republicans, I will probably be banned on the spot, not even a given a warning, but the original poster has not even received a warning for the obvious insults which were directed mainly towards Republicans, and in general the right, and his insults have not even been removed even though several members have put this thread on alert.

This thread is nothing more than another bickering post by a member who wanted to insult those people he disagrees with, and he has gotten away with it.


[edit on 5-9-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
.....and another is indoctrinating children into the leftwing propaganda.


Based on the fact that you, nor anyone else, has seen the content of the President's address....your comment I quoted is irrational, unreasoned, and ludicrous. It is utter hogwash that you think you can characterize comments and text you haven't even seen, read, or heard.

Intrepid was exactly right.....



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
Funny, the people I know from Russia and other communist countries think we are whining too much and don't know how good we have it.


Really? funny that the only three people in these forums which I know have experienced Communism, have been saying similar things to what I have been saying. This country is being transformed slowly into some form of Socialist dictatorship. indoctrination of children towards one political agenda of collectivism, which despises individuality, and puts the collective before the individual is always bound to become a dictatorship, because then individual rights are lost.

Much of the left doesn't want to admit what is happening, even though it is happening right in front of their eyes.

Even a known Communist, Chavez, has stated that President Obama is more to the left than he is. He said it as a joke, but as a true joke, and many Americans do not realize, or want to admit what this means.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Do you know how Socialist programs began to work in countries like Cuba?
For example, in order to graduate children would have to have a certain amount of points, if children took classes like Russian, instead of English, they will get points for learning Russian, but no points for learning English. this is a form of indocrination, and it is exactly how the Obama administration is starting to implement Socialist programs.

[edit on 5-9-2009 by ElectricUniverse]


Are you kidding... the Obama defenders show no evidence of any historical perspective or understanding of Communist movements whatsoever.

What they are good at is making excuses and finding irrelvent counter-examples as if they make the actions of obama disappear.

They refuse to tackle the issue head-on and instead devote themselves to coming up with their cliched ways of calling people racists or haters or whatnot.

It's like the objective of any Leftist you might be in a debate with is for them to figure out the right moment to call someone a Racist, bigot, sexist, islamophobe, xenophobe etc... Honest , frank, discussion is impossible because they're in such a state of moral sanctimony, they're incredulous anyone would disagree with their sainted viewpoint... and as everyone knows, those who would oppose the saints must be the demons.

Leftists like to complain that the alleged Christian Right is oppressing them with their moral-based legislation.. they are totally oblivious to the fact that nearly everything they do is out of a burning moral sanctimony and desire to impose their morality onto everyone.

As Conservatives we want the damn Government to leave us alone.. and the left wants it to control every aspect of our lives.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

This thread is nothing more than another bickering post by a member who wanted to insult those people he disagrees with, and he has gotten away with it.

[edit on 5-9-2009 by ElectricUniverse]


If, when you say 'insult those he disagrees with' you mean those so bound by political dogma that they are unable to work collectively as one nation of people, then yes, you are correct.

However, if when you say 'insult those he disagrees with' you mean the 'right-wing', I suggest you look back over my OP and take note of the fact that I ridicule the article I used as a source as equally 'nuttier-than-squirrel-poop' as the right-wingers who are scared of Obama talking to their children.

The intention of this post, as some have noticed, was not to create yet another pointless argument between right and left on who is right and who is wrong, but to point out the power we as a people loose when we subscribe to these debates.

I know how hard it is to wake up from this dogmatic slumber of political ideology, but is it essential if 'we the people' are going to reclaim our government and country from those in power.

[edit on 5-9-2009 by Animal]



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
indoctrination of children towards one political agenda of collectivism, which despises individuality, and puts the collective before the individual is always bound to become a dictatorship......


Yeah, you're right....that explains Japan...no wait....despite having a strong cultural inclination to service to community and family, and an aversion to individuality.....they remain a democracy.

That word "always" can trip you up.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by cranberrydork

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
indoctrination of children towards one political agenda of collectivism, which despises individuality, and puts the collective before the individual is always bound to become a dictatorship......


Yeah, you're right....that explains Japan...no wait....despite having a strong cultural inclination to service to community and family, and an aversion to individuality.....they remain a democracy.

That word "always" can trip you up.


They only had to be nuked into submission first.




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