China's national flag to fly outside White House

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

First, it was that the communist Chinese flag was going to fly on the white house lawn. Then, it was proven that it WASN'T going to be on the lawn.

So the problem became that it was the first time a communist flag was flown in front of the White House. Then, it was proven that it wasn't the first time.

Now, the problem is the actual REASON the flag will be flying within the vicinity of the White House...

Slippery little complaint this has become.

Actually, there has only been one iteration - I think because I've slept since this thread started.

Yes, Fox did come out saying that the birthday celebration was going to be held across the street. But there are many here that believe that the administration actually changed tracks and Fox was reporting the new situation. I don't know what occured, obviously because I'm not in the White House, but there is a distinct variation between how China sources have been reporting this and how the American source (only Fox right?) is reporting it. It does seem fishy to me.

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

Originally posted by andrewh7

So, you're saying that Bush loved Communist China too? Raising their flag on the day of their national holiday is simply an innocuous show of respect for one of our most valuable trading partners. If you are actually concerned about this, you should go through your house and destroy everything made in China. After all, you wouldn't want to support the economy of evil communist China.

You are so wrong on so many levels. How many Americans died combating communism? How many of the ones who lived are still living today? How would you feel if you were one of those people and the U.S. government was allowing a celebration of the birth of communist China? How would you feel if you were one of those people's sons or daughters or grandsons or grandaughters? You'd feel betrayed is how you'd feel - and rightly so.

The picture that you're showing is not the same situation. Of course, the Chinese flag has been raised before at the White House, just as many other countries' flags are raised. That is the reason why I make the distinction in my OP between receiving ceremonies and this celebration. The difference here is HUGE. Do you not see the difference between a ceremonial raising of the Chinese flag as a show of respect for a dignitary vs. the raising of the Chinese flag as a celebration of the BIRTH OF COMMUNIST CHINA? If you don't then there's no hope for you.

As I stated above, please, please show me proof that we have ever done this before.

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You people are such hypocrites. You whine about China and then, ten minutes from now, you will turn on your electronics made in China and drive to Walmart to buy more stuff made in China. You'd think we were at war with China based on the way you respond to the mere presence of their flag. You love their food and their products but you hate the country for merely existing. China has been the one propping up our debt and our currency for long time. They wouldn't need to fire a single bullet to destroy the US - just cash in their bonds. Nixon was the one that reopened trade relations - I'm pretty sure he wasn't a communist and he did a whole lot more to support China than allowing a flag to be raised on a pole. Why don't you guys go find his grave and deface it?

If you can be so scared by the mere presence of a flag for a day, how do you even get out of bed in the morning? There's reckless drivers on the freeway, disgruntled mailmen at the post office, and muggers on the street. Yet, your greatest concern is a piece of cloth on a stick? Please spare me the rhetoric about soldiers who died to stop communism - none of them would have any respect for people behaving like little kids in a rated R movie. Your fear is what got us into Vietnam. Your fear is what bolsters the idea that the US can afford to and has the right to police the whole world.

You conservatives have your "offensiveness" detectors turned up so high, you're ready to shoot a man for treason if he passes gas. You guys are so behind the times - you are supposed to be spreading fear and hatred for Muslims right now, calling them all violent terrorists. Now, you're going back to cold war fear of Russians, Chinese, and Communism. Do you even know what it means to be American without being afraid of foreigners? Fear destroys rational thought - how else do you explain people who believe that the Black President must be an illegal immigrant?

The only governments that should have any fear of cloth on a stick are those that do not have the support of the people, brought about by free expression of ideas. If you people genuinely think that a Chinese flag is a significant threat to the United States, then you have little to no respect for the strength and integrity of this country.

This site has become dominated by far right-wing fearmongering. You try to silence debate with fallacious rhetoric at every turn. Most if not all political threads have become episodes of the Glenn Beck "you're all gonna die" Show.

[edit on 5-9-2009 by andrewh7]

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I don't like it no way one bit.
But we are all up China's butt so what else should we expect?
Plus there is the issue of the fact that they own us now with the exploding of our debt.

I don't really see the problem with it, but it sounds like a weird place to do that unless it's common practice in USA?

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You said it, I read it, ok.

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Not common practice, in fact it's never been done before for this reason.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Are we so fragile that a group of Chinese Americans celebrating the founding of their country and raising their flag for one day threatens you in some way?

Yeah, Communist China.

Nice celebration; to celebrate Chairman Mao executing millions of his own people; for executing thousands of prisoners of war; the olympics where many of the distance runners boycotted because the air is too polluted...

Originally posted by jerico65
Yeah, Communist China.

Or Imperialist Europeans that renamed themselves as Americans.

Nice celebration; to celebrate Chairman Mao executing millions of his own people; for executing thousands of prisoners of war; the olympics where many of the distance runners boycotted because the air is too polluted...

Sort of like July 4th, where we celebrate the United States of America. Trails of tears, stolen land, imported disease, slavery, famine, etc... Perhaps we have more in common with those "terrible Chinese" than we give ourselves credit for.

And before the retorts come... yes it was thousands that perished, not Mao's millions and yes it was over 200 years ago. However, when did the exact number of dead and the exact number of years determine what is and is not a horrific beginning of a country's internal system.

Sad really that so many people can get so upset and bent out of shape over bits of Made-In-China colored cloth when so many important things are going on. Want to save America? Go work in a food kitchen, go talk to a neighbor, go help a kid learn to read, but for Heaven's sake find something that will actually impact your country instead of this hysteria over the flying of a flag that will make no difference whatsoever in whether you live or die.

Originally posted by niteboy82
Sort of like July 4th, where we celebrate the United States of America. Trails of tears, stolen land, imported disease, slavery, famine, etc... Perhaps we have more in common with those "terrible Chinese" than we give ourselves credit for.

And before the retorts come... yes it was thousands that perished, not Mao's millions and yes it was over 200 years ago. However, when did the exact number of dead and the exact number of years determine what is and is not a horrific beginning of a country's internal system.

Anytime anyone brings up something like this, someone always screams, "But look what America has done in the past!!!"

I'm well aware of the sins that the US has committed. You even left out some.

I guess what really bothers people is that Communist China was established in 1949; the people that were murdered under Mao are still fresh. My neighbor escaped China during that time and has some stories that would stand your hair on end.

Originally posted by niteboy82[/i
Sad really that so many people can get so upset and bent out of shape over bits of Made-In-China colored cloth.....

What's ironic is that it's probably made in Mexico.