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Finger bitten off during California health protest

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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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California authorities say a clash between opponents and supporters of health care reform ended with one man biting off another man's finger.

Ventura County Sheriff's Capt. Frank O'Hanlon says about 100 people demonstrating in favor of health care reforms rallied Wednesday night on a street corner. One protester walked across the street to confront about 25 counter-demonstrators.

O'Hanlon says the man got into an argument and fist fight, during which he bit off the left pinky of a 65-year-old man who opposed health care reform.

A hospital spokeswoman says the man lost half the finger, but doctors reattached it and he was sent home the same night.

She says he had Medicare.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


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I don't think I've heard before of an issue driving people to such insanity. Biting someone's finger off? Seriously? What's America coming to? The nation has probably never been so polarized and so divided before, excepting slavery of course.

If Congress were smart, instead of passing this bill, since they feel that they have the right to just pass anything because they have a "mandate", they would wait and try again some other time to pass this. It's clear that this isn't the right time, regardless of one's opinion. The house is too divided and a house divided against itself can't stand for very long.

But maybe that's what "they" want in the end.

At least the guy had insurance and was able to get his finger reattached.




posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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whqt it tells me is is that 50% of the american people are idiots. I MEAN WHAT WAS THAT MAN DOING PUTTING HIS FINGER INTO SOMEONES MOUTH..... i fell sorry for the people who have brains and and have to live with emotional strung brainless people who really havent a clue what they are talking about. My hat goes off to Obama at least he has convictions and thinks about other peoples needs more than any other american president imo



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[edit on 3-9-2009 by loner007]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:49 PM
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oooh yay! More delicious irony.

The government sponsored health care opponent has his bitten off finger re-attached by his own government sponsored health care coverage!!

Finger lickin' good! (pun at least partially intended)



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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Are you ignorant enough to actually believe the 65 year old man put his finger in this lunatics mouth? The "emotionally strung out" Supporter walked across the street physically confront those terrible right wing terrorist......

The police are looking for the lunatic.

Some people on this site are either brain washed or plain stupid.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:55 PM
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How much pressure does it take to bite OFF a body part? I tried to find out by doing a search. LOL

Check out these links. I had no idea how many times someone bit off someone else's finger.

One guy got 15 years for biting off the finger of a cop.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:00 PM
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lol if i was going to walk over to a large group of protesters the last thing on my mind is to start a fight though i may be verbal in my arguements.. more likely the large group attacked him.....

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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:05 PM
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I being graced with some sort of intelligence know how heated this issue is across the country, thus "I" would not have been daft enough to even consider crossing the street in the first place. If he bit the finger of in a self defense situation, why is it that he ran away? Why are the police looking to apprehend him?

He obviously is the perpetrator in this scenario. Think just a little, let your programming slip just a few seconds.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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I think that ultimately it is a shame to the state of all of this. The townhall meetings were to get the opinion of the public, on the question of a government run health care option. What is really sad is that instead of being peaceful, both sides, those for and against, simply acted in a way that gives both sides a bad look. If either wanted to make a point, calmly would have been better than violent. If it is violent then you get into the pointing and saying see, this is the other sides fault. I have seen protests before and normally they are peaceful, though this is like pouring gas on a wild fire. Personally I think that all need to sit down, open up the bill and read what is in it and then decide if it is something the country needs and hold an election or put it on a ballet when they hold elections and let the public speak and decide if it is what they want or not, that way the majority can speak peacefully and not get into confrontations.
Some of the main problems that I have with the health reform bill is the way that they tried to get it through congress and expected the legislators to approve it blindly without understanding what all was in it. And then there is the cost.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:24 PM
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What ever happened to adults behaving like adults? Since when do adults not realize that everyone is entitled to whatever opinion they want?

Someone's going to end up getting killed at the rate things are going...



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by loner007
I MEAN WHAT WAS THAT MAN DOING PUTTING HIS FINGER INTO SOMEONES MOUTH.


I swear I thought your post was going to be sarcasm. Once I realized you were serious, it reminded me of the time my cousin threw a rock at my face when I was a small child. I started bleeding everywhere and my aunt had the audacity to blame me for being in front of the rock.

Anyways, deprogram. It's sad how you think the victim was at fault because the actual criminal supports Obama. I'm sure if it was a health care opponent who bit the finger off of a health care supporter, you'd be all over it.

[edit on 9/3/2009 by AshleyD]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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Once again many here got their facts completely wrong.


The man in the orange shirt hit the pro-reform guy (I'm going to call him PR Guy just to keep the players straight). Hard. ... He punched him in the face, knocked him to the ground and into that thruway. ... He got up, tried to get back up on the curb, but Orange Shirt guy was in his face. Finger in his face, PR Guy standing, steps up to the curb, and there's a scuffle. Orange shirt seemed to have PR Guy in a hold, but again, I was across the street, so won't state that as absolute fact. Next thing I see is PR Guy's hat being tossed into the street, both yelling at one another, then Orange shirt walks away, PR Guy picks up hat and crosses to our side.


When he gets to our side, he tells a story in one sentence: "He punched me hard, straight in the face, so I bit his finger off."


Maybe the old Conservative moron should know better next time about assaulting people.

Then has the absolute Gaul! to be against a single payer health care when he just used our communist, socialist, terrorist government run medicare to pay to fix his finger.







[edit on 3-9-2009 by AllexxisF1]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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Silly, lost a finger over Medicare E or whatever letter they arrive at.
It will cost money just like the private health insurance.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:45 PM
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Have you any idea how hard it is to put someones finger in your mouth to bite it off? the only way a finger can be put in someones mouth is that someone put it there deliberatly......



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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It'll be interesting to see if any ATSer's typing ability suddenly falls off

From what I've read from some on here, I wouldn't be @all suprised...
You know? I think that, as an intermediary stage between verbal abuse & outright violence, if people can't control themselves, & clearly they can't, shoe throwing is a good alternative.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 02:06 PM
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at least he has convictions and thinks about other peoples needs more than any other american president

And those that are against Obama's plan have no convictions? No, that can't be.

I believe that those that are against "free" healthcare do care about people's needs too. Though not in the way that pro-Obamacare think. Those, for the most part, that are against this plan think that it is wrong to just hand someone something and that you should work for things. Teaching someone to work and strive for things is better than just handing them something for free.


the only way a finger can be put in someones mouth is that someone put it there deliberatly

Even if the finger was deliberately put into the guy's mouth, does that give him permission to bite it?

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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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A man from Moveon.org’s area then walked over to the opponents and verbally confronted Rice, allegedly calling him names and acting aggressively, Bonfiglio said.

Rice later told investigators he felt threatened by the man and punched him in the nose, Bonfiglio said.

The punch set off a fist fight between the two men, during which the tip of Rice’s left pinky finger was bitten off, Bonfiglio said.


The Link

Both men resorted to violence. Both men were at fault. PERIOD.

Lucky for the anti-government health care gentlemen he receives government health care. reattaching a finger can be expensive.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by Animal
Both men resorted to violence. Both men were at fault. PERIOD.


Thanks. But I actually read the article. They were engaged in a fist fight after one protester crossed the street to confront the other protesters. My reply above was in response to another member whose outrage was solely pointed to the man who had his finger bitten off instead of the biter. So please direct your 'both' comment to them.

Also, not 'PERIOD.' The article also mentions it is not clear who started the fight, the issue of self defense came up, and it said the biter fled.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by AshleyD

Originally posted by Animal
Both men resorted to violence. Both men were at fault. PERIOD.


Thanks. But I actually read the article. They were engaged in a fist fight after one protester crossed the street to confront the other protesters. My reply above was in response to another member whose outrage was solely pointed to the man who had his finger bitten off instead of the biter. So please direct your 'both' comment to them.

Also, not 'PERIOD.' The article also mentions it is not clear who started the fight, the issue of self defense came up, and it said the biter fled.



Here Ash, from another article, that based on your responce to me you did not read:



A man from Moveon.org's area then walked over to the opponents and verbally confronted Rice, allegedly calling him names and acting aggressively, Bonfiglio said.

Rice later told investigators he felt threatened by the man and punched him in the nose, Bonfiglio said.

The punch set off a fist fight



The Link

So based on the information given to officers from the 'bitten' the physical violence was started by him, the 'bitten'.

Your bias was clear in your first post and I am still calling you on it. If someone else needs to be called on the same issue of bias then consider this as directed at them as well.

Both men were engaged in violence. One got his finger bitten off. Both men are at fault. PERIOD.



[edit on 3-9-2009 by Animal]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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In the immortal words of Will Smith (in MIB):

If you don't start nothin....there won't be nothin.

Guy should have stayed on his side of the street and not gone to provoke a fight. If he felt so righteous about biting off someone's finger, why did he run away?



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 08:32 AM
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Your bias was clear in your first post


Are you serious?

This is my first post:


I swear I thought your post was going to be sarcasm. Once I realized you were serious, it reminded me of the time my cousin threw a rock at my face when I was a small child. I started bleeding everywhere and my aunt had the audacity to blame me for being in front of the rock.

Anyways, deprogram. It's sad how you think the victim was at fault because the actual criminal supports Obama. I'm sure if it was a health care opponent who bit the finger off of a health care supporter, you'd be all over it.


It was in response to another post that laid all the blame on the man who got his finger bitten off. I think you're trying to give a lecture on bias to the wrong person.

If they both tussled: Shame on them. But spare me the bit about 'Egads! Why did he put his finger in another man's mouth!'



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