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White House Withdraws Call for Students to 'Help' Obama

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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:30 PM
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reply to post by redmage
 


I was referring to the this thread but trolls and derailers read into things as they want.

Here learn something worthwhile






posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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My kids spend most of their time with their father's family, who are devout democrats. Some of the things my son would say to me about Obama during the election campaigns were directly from the mouths of his elders. And he adamnatly, vehemently believed every word despite the fact he had no idea what he was talking about.

A couple of weeks ago, he mentioned that Obama wasn't doing such a great job. Another quote from his democratic family!

I can just imagine what something like this could do in the domiciles of formerly ardent Obama supporters. LOL



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by palg1
 


Perfect evidence of bipartisan fear mongering going on pre-conceived notions.

You have no idea what it is about.

Just a knee jerk reaction.


My reaction is not an attempt at fearmongering in any way. I am simply looking at this from the sidelines and making a judgement as an observer.
As someone watching the "proposed" videos for your schools and listening and reading the words being shared by the political left in your country, I get a pretty clear picture of the messages your administration is attempting to spread. "Follow and we will will lead the way to a better world". A pretty good message if it's spread through the conventional media. My problem is that it is being shoved down the throats of very young children through to your teenagers as "a perfect truth" by poeple who have alot of influence on young impressionable children. The kids don't stand a chance without the guidance from their parents/gardians as they watch and listen.

[edit on 3-9-2009 by palg1]

[edit on 3-9-2009 by palg1]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by warrenb
I was referring to the this thread but trolls and derailers read into things as they want.


My apologies. I forgot the rule that anyone who disagrees with warrenb is either a troll, or derailer.


Since you brought it up...

Speaking of derailment, I notice there's no mention in your last youtube videos posted regarding the White House's removal of the "Call for Students to 'Help' Obama". As your videos are not on topic, it'd probably be best not to derail your own thread while accusing others of such activity. Such hypocrisy is likely to damage your credibility even further.

[edit on 9/3/09 by redmage]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 

BH, I'm willing to accept what you say if you can show me where Bush did it. I've looked and can't find anything. And to add, it's not the messenger so much as the message.
IF what he said was ok, then why change it?


Bush on I think two ocassions addressed a single class of students, in one he read them stories as a PR piece on a literacy campaign the other he spoke at a graduation I believe. There is a huge difference between addressing one class and all the youth of america. I am glad Obama is cutting out the parts he is but he didn't do it because America complained he did it because people got angry.

Of course the cynic in me figures he should have just modified the speech by toning it down without announcing he was doing it so that it would make the parents pulling kids look like nuts.

The conspiracy nut in me thinks that this makes it really easy to figure out who is likely to oppose his aggenda later on, just look to see who's kids where not at school that day.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:54 PM
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Lotta pitbulls in here today!
We'll see who has the last laugh





[edit on 3-9-2009 by warrenb]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:56 PM
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Hey warrenb, I bet the white house read your first thread about this subject. That's why they withdrew it.




posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:14 PM
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I can't help but wonder if -

This administration would have been alright with their school age children to have been subjected to the political suggestions, wants and needs of an administration when Bush and his lot were in office?

I mean whats good for the goose and all that....

Edit to say -

Although - this administration aside from the prez - has a lot of left overs from the last...

[edit on 3-9-2009 by spinkyboo]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:17 PM
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Really, Warren?

You post a thread two days ago calling the questions in Obama's outline indoctrination, then today when the Whitehouse addresses your concern you slam him for flip-flopping?

Then when this fact is pointed out repeatedly you simply deflect from the issue and try to bait others into different arguments.

If anything, these two threads illustrate just how depraved partisan politics can be, and how hate and fear are much more effective at achieving goals than truth.

I'd be careful, though. The tactics being employed lately, while initially effective, are starting to show some cracks. You can only cry wolf so many times before people stop listening. Just my two cents.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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I see that you somehow find this video to be humorous; however, looking at it with an independent free-thinking mind, I have to say that "I don't get it".

Is this supposed to be a spoof of the pledge the children will be making on Sept 8th, or is this a spoof of the pledge that the classroom of children in Florida took on the morning of Sept. 11th 2001?

From where I'm sitting, it could be equally applied to either. Just two sides of the same dirty coin.

 


Edit: @ Avenginggecko

Finely stated!


[edit on 9/3/09 by redmage]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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Personally, I appreciate someone searching for information and posting on the flip-flops and indoctrination techniques. I'd say that is a very good thing. Thank you for making an issue out of it. Some people may not have noticed otherwise.




You post a thread two days ago calling the questions in Obama's outline indoctrination, then today when the Whitehouse addresses your concern you slam him for flip-flopping?



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Avenginggecko
Really, Warren?

You post a thread two days ago calling the questions in Obama's outline indoctrination, then today when the Whitehouse addresses your concern you slam him for flip-flopping?

Then when this fact is pointed out repeatedly you simply deflect from the issue and try to bait others into different arguments.

If anything, these two threads illustrate just how depraved partisan politics can be, and how hate and fear are much more effective at achieving goals than truth.

I'd be careful, though. The tactics being employed lately, while initially effective, are starting to show some cracks. You can only cry wolf so many times before people stop listening. Just my two cents.


I know this was meant for Warren, but if I may. . .

It's not the content of the message that is the primary issue. It's the fact that he is doing it at all. Flip-flop? What was he going to say that he had to pull a u-turn on in the first place? The fact that he feels so important to take an action as this and yes, this IS the first time ANY president has done a national televised address, is just speaking to his arrogance. If I want my 6 year old to learn politics, then I'll teach him, not the president/teachers/whom ever. If I want my child to "pledge" to the president, then I'll go ahead and burn my flag, denounce my country and support our new king!

This is just getting ridiculous.

Thanks for letting me vent a bit, Warren.

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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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Someone please explain to me the purpose of having PotUS, or any other politician for that matter, address the nation's school children?

What can be gained besides PR and the furtherance of a political agenda?

Does anyone really believe little Timmy will be so inspired by the speech and what follows that he'll grow up to be a doctor or rocket scientist or something?

Which brings up another question...

If Timmy was inspired to be a neurosurgeon because of some politician's speech... do I really want him for my doctor?

Oh and one more thing... for those who think this is all innocent and well meant...

When was the last time you saw a politician give a speech that didn't have a political agenda?

Why would I not have a problem with a politician involving my school-aged children in some misguided pr grab?



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by mikerussellus

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
Really, Warren?

You post a thread two days ago calling the questions in Obama's outline indoctrination, then today when the Whitehouse addresses your concern you slam him for flip-flopping?

Then when this fact is pointed out repeatedly you simply deflect from the issue and try to bait others into different arguments.

If anything, these two threads illustrate just how depraved partisan politics can be, and how hate and fear are much more effective at achieving goals than truth.

I'd be careful, though. The tactics being employed lately, while initially effective, are starting to show some cracks. You can only cry wolf so many times before people stop listening. Just my two cents.


I know this was meant for Warren, but if I may. . .

It's not the content of the message that is the primary issue. It's the fact that he is doing it at all. Flip-flop? What was he going to say that he had to pull a u-turn on in the first place? The fact that he feels so important to take an action as this and yes, this IS the first time ANY president has done a national televised address, is just speaking to his arrogance. If I want my 6 year old to learn politics, then I'll teach him, not the president/teachers/whom ever. If I want my child to "pledge" to the president, then I'll go ahead and burn my flag, denounce my country and support our new king!

This is just getting ridiculous.

Thanks for letting me vent a bit, Warren.

[edit on 3-9-2009 by mikerussellus]


Everything you're "venting" about has been addressed in this thread already, so I'm not sure if you haven't read the thread carefully enough or you just chose to ignore the information.

1. His speech has not changed. Not one word. He hasn't "flip-flopped" on anything; the whitehouse is considering altering the suggested outline it sent out. No one in the whitehouse has claimed Obama is "re-writing" his planned speech.

2. This is not the first time a President has addressed the nation's school children.

BH quoted it for you once, I'll go ahead and do it again.



We did learn, however, that President George H.W. Bush addressed the nation's students in a televised speech during school hours in 1991. ''I can't understand for the life of me what's so great about being stupid,'' Bush said, according to news reports from the time. He told students to ''block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart'' and ''work harder, learn more.''


This was specifically posted as a response to your concern, so I'm failing to see why you're still trying to peddle this lie that Obama is the "first President to do this."

3. BH also posted specifically to you, that Obama's speech is not about political ideology or socialism.

This is a speech about setting personal goals and achieving them, and how those goals can help the community and nation as a whole. Are you so paranoid and partisan that you'll pull your child out of school because the President is going to send kids a message that they can achieve and help their community at the same time?

More power to you. My honest opinion is that your hatred of Obama and Democrats in general has completely blinded reality to your eyes, but I suppose that's your shame and not mine.

Carry on, noble patriot!



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Resinveins
Someone please explain to me the purpose of having PotUS, or any other politician for that matter, address the nation's school children?


That's certainly up for debate, and no one but the PotUS and/or his handlers know for certain what the "overall" purpose is.


Originally posted by Resinveins
What can be gained besides PR and the furtherance of a political agenda?


Many things, both good and bad.

On the positive side he could tell kids about little things they can do to help the world. It's not uncommon for 6th graders (and younger) to have numerous electronic devices. Having someone as "important" as the PotUS remind them directly that they can/should conserve energy by unplugging cell phone/gameboy/etc. rechargers while not in use may help the advice stick with them.

By the very nature of the parent/child relationship children often feel marginalized. I don't know of a single child who, at some point or another, hasn't uttered something to the effect of "you never listen to me", or "I never get to choose". Having someone who's accepted as being "very important" take time out of their busy day to address you directly can be quite empowering and uplifting to people of any age, and even children can make a big difference in this world. Of course, this is ATS so the story wouldn't be complete without a look at the possible conspiracy angles too.

As to the possible negatives, indoctrination is the hyped fear. I have no doubts that there will be people looking for evidence of such things as subliminal messages, and NLP since it appears to be such a perfect opportunity to target a large portion of the population; one who's conviently still in a very vulnerable/developmental state no less.


Originally posted by Resinveins
Does anyone really believe little Timmy will be so inspired by the speech and what follows that he'll grow up to be a doctor or rocket scientist or something?


Certainly a possibility.


Originally posted by Resinveins
If Timmy was inspired to be a neurosurgeon because of some politician's speech... do I really want him for my doctor?


Are you serious?


As long as he/she went to a good school, and pulled good grades, then I couldn't care less if he/she was inspired by Obama, or Doogie Howser M.D. for that matter. Education and experience are far more important criteria than what sparked my doctor's inspiration to become one.

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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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I have 6 nieces that would potentially be exposed to this...

I've offered an open invitation to take them all to the park that day.

If my Sister.In.Law's decides to make a statement by pulling them out... We're still going to the park baybee, don't F with our kids! Just go back under that rock in Chicago that crawled out from under...

Thanks!



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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I haven't read this thread all the way but this post of yours is a perfect stepping stone into what I was already going to say.

I wouldn't have more than a tinge of uneasiness about all of this, if not for one specific thing, Obama's face.

Hear me out. This whole act, this whole "be all you can, and be a better person, help people in every way you can" is fine with me, that's what we've lost since the 1940's. What I have a problem with is that instead of doing this for your country, or yourself, you're supposed to do this for your president.

I agree that people desperately need to learn how to work again, to help eachother, and to serve for a greater cause; that cause IS NOT our president however. If we're ever going to have the strong, unified country we had back in the '40's we need to stop being lazy and to work, yes; but do it for the president, I think not.

JFK said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Country, not president.

They're smearing Obama's face all over this propaganda as if he is supposed to represent America somehow, like he's the face of our "new day." That gives me the willies. (I use propaganda because that's what it is, I'm not meaning to imply any negative connotation that comes with it)

The American flag isn't used, the colors are, but the colors are smeared across Obama's face.

That's the problem I think a lot of people are having. You should never, ever, pledge allegience to your president.

Savvy?



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by warrenb
What a reversal.
It seems they make plans, the public balks at them and the administration does a 180.

More Flip-Floppery!
Maybe the WH should invest in a flip-flop factory?

[edit on 3-9-2009 by warrenb]


Oh, come on...

I've been hearing all of this complaining on here that the people we elect should listen to their constituents.

So, the public hated the plan, and he's going to change it around.

There's no making you happy, is there?



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by Mak Manto

Originally posted by warrenb
What a reversal.
It seems they make plans, the public balks at them and the administration does a 180.

More Flip-Floppery!
Maybe the WH should invest in a flip-flop factory?

[edit on 3-9-2009 by warrenb]


Oh, come on...

I've been hearing all of this complaining on here that the people we elect should listen to their constituents.

So, the public hated the plan, and he's going to change it around.

There's no making you happy, is there?


ITs great...

First he is a Fascist and now that he is changing his stance he is a flip flopper for not being a fascist.

Same ol here - provided the economy turns around there are gonna a bunch of sad Repos -

FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR

[edit on 3-9-2009 by mental modulator]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by warrenb
reply to post by redmage
 


Lotta pitbulls in here today!
We'll see who has the last laugh





[edit on 3-9-2009 by warrenb]


Talk about propaganda

"GOP GOP, GOPGOP GOP GOP!"

Ya we shall see, unfortunately today is the day I realized ALL this talk is Partisan games.

Many Tea baggers are starting to see you all are tooling them as well.

I went from receptive to
thanks for the laughs.

The Elephant who cried wolf a couple hundred times too many.



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