God Is Not Great

reply to post by cindymars

The word God is annoying to me, too. Probably because of the brainwashing of the church. But when I pray to the One, I still use God... interesting, huh?

God is beautiful and wonderful! The God-bashers just don't get it. I don't understand the rebellion towards God. God is always there, in times of need, and at the very lowest points of your life. It's not about proof, it's about spirituality. I have a spiritual relationship with God. I can speak and pray to him about anything. How totally empty your lives must be. This God-bashing stuff is so stupid and mindless. It's totally time-wasting, and is destroying the board, IMO.

Originally posted by blujay
reply to post by cindymars

 

The word God is annoying to me, too. Probably because of the brainwashing of the church. But when I pray to the One, I still use God... interesting, huh?

I speak to my aspect closer to Source by its name.
Do you know your name?
Just curious.

reply to post by cindymars

I do not. But there are many I speak with, I use the names I have learned along my path.

reply to post by Blueangel7


Perhaps you can tell that to the millions of starving kids. Or perhaps to the other ones that died themselves or murdered their children in gods name or the ones that did not seek medical attention for themselves or their kids because prayer will fix everything? Ask and ye shall receive right?

I was a Buddhist for over twenty years, became a Christian two years ago.

One think has been bugging me for the last few months. If God is so great why did he create a species...mankind... capable of henious evil.

God knew man would choose the metaphorical tree of good and evil, he let us have that choice so that we wouldn't be robots and love him with free choice. That is all well and good, but there are degrees of evil such as a person kicking their dog or making threatening phone calls to the extent the receiver has a breakdown to someone raping a baby, torture or much much worse

If God is so great why did he create evil to be so bad. why did God create the evil of the Nazi's or what is going on in Darfur? Some will say he gave us the choice to chose, but why create these evils. Why not create a limit such as the obnoxious phone call or kicking a dog.

Guess what I am trying to say is if God is all powerful he could have created a milder evil.

Originally posted by Phlegmi
reply to post by Blueangel7

 

Perhaps you can tell that to the millions of starving kids. Or perhaps to the other ones that died themselves or murdered their children in gods name or the ones that did not seek medical attention for themselves or their kids because prayer will fix everything? Ask and ye shall receive right?

Do you not think those people are there for a reason? Each has his part to play here. You can look at those starving kids and ask how you can help... that would be your free will choice. Or you can look at them and say, who cares, again your free will choice.

You are here for you and each decision you make is registered in your akash. In the end of this Earth cycle, each will then 'judge' them selves and decide what should happen next in their soul evolution/journey.

So no matter what situation a person is in, that person is there for a reason. Choices are there for all to make. Choose wisely.

The starving or raped child has zero control he/she cannot fight back. Why should they be pawns in God's game.

What God would create such evil in the first place.

Originally posted by Blueangel7
God is beautiful and wonderful! The God-bashers just don't get it. I don't understand the rebellion towards God. God is always there, in times of need, and at the very lowest points of your life. It's not about proof, it's about spirituality. I have a spiritual relationship with God. I can speak and pray to him about anything. How totally empty your lives must be. This God-bashing stuff is so stupid and mindless. It's totally time-wasting, and is destroying the board, IMO.

Maybe you can answer my question why didn't God make a milder evil.

God is not there for a baby when it is being raped, the baby will have no concious knowlege of God. Who can she cry out too while her body is being ripped apart.
I have been a Christian for two year but begining to see many flaws in a monolithic God who would create the ability to perform of such evil.

reply to post by dizzylizzy

Earth is a Free Will planet, God allows Free Will. All make choices based on this Free Will. In the end each judges him or her self based on the choices made during the life time.

Good and Evil are one in the same in the eyes of the Universe/God. This is just a place to have an experience and to learn the lessons of duality.

The Little Soul and The Sun
A Children's Parable
by Neale Donald Walsch, Conversations With God




Once upon no time, there was a little Soul who said to God, "I know who I am."

And God said, "That's wonderful! Who are you?"

And the Little Soul shouted, "I'm the Light!"

God smiled a big smile. "That's right!" God exclaimed. "You are the Light."

The Little Soul was so happy, for it had figured out what all the souls in the Kingdom were there to figure out.

"Wow," said the Little Soul, "this is really cool!"

But soon, knowing who it was was not enough. The Little Soul felt stirrings inside, and now wanted to be who it was. And so the Little Soul went back to God (which is not a bad idea for all souls who want to be Who They Really Are) and said,

"Hi, God! Now that I know Who I am, is it okay for me to be it?"

And God said, "You mean you want to be Who You Already Are?"

"Well," replied the Little Soul," it's one thing to know Who I Am, and another thing altogether to actually be it. I want to feel what it's like to be the Light!"

"But you already are the Light," God repeated, smiling again.

"Yes, but I want to see what that feels like!" cried the Little Soul.

"Well," said God with a chuckle, "I suppose I should have known. You always were the adventuresome one."

Then God's expression changed. "There's only one thing..."

"What?" asked the Little Soul.

"Well, there is nothing else but the Light. You see, I created nothing but what you are; and so, there is no easy way for you to experience yourself as Who You Are, since there is nothing that you are not."

"Huh?" said the Little Soul, who was now a little confused.

"Think of it this way," said God. "You are like a candle in the Sun. Oh, you're there all right. Along with a million, gazillion other candles who make up the Sun. And the sun would not be the Sun without you. Nay, it would be a sun without one of its candles...and that would not be the Sun at all; for it would not shine as brightly. Yet, how to know yourself as the Light when you are amidst the Light -that is the question."

"Well," the Little Soul perked up, "you're God. Think of something!"

Once more God smiled. "I already have," God said. "Since you cannot see yourself as the Light when you are in the Light, we'll surround you with darkness."

"What's darkness?" the Little Soul asked.

God replied, "It is that which you are not."

"Will I be afraid of the dark?" cried the Little Soul.

"Only if you choose to be," God answered. "There is nothing, really, to be afraid of, unless you decide that there is. You see, we are making it all up. We are pretending."

"Oh," said the Little Soul, and felt better already.

Then God explained that, in order to experience anything at all, the exact opposite of it will appear. "It is a great gift," God said, "because without it, you could not know what anything is like. You could not know Warm without Cold, Up without Down, Fast without Slow. You could not know Left without Right, Here without There, Now without Then."

"And so," God concluded, "when you are surrounded with darkness, do not shake your fist and raise your voice and curse the darkness. Rather be a Light unto the darkness, and don't be mad about it. Then you will know Who You Really Are, and all others will know, too. Let your Light shine so that everyone will know how special you are!"

"You mean it's okay to let others see how special I am?" asked the Little Soul.

"Of course!" God chuckled. "It's very okay! But remember,'special' does not mean 'better.' Everybody is special, each in their own way! Yet many others have forgotten that. They will see that it is okay for them to be special only when you see that it is okay for you to be special."

"Wow," said the Little Soul, dancing and skipping and laughing and jumping with joy. "I can be as special as I want to be!"

"Yes, and you can start right now," said God, who was dancing and skipping and laughing right along with the Little Soul.

"What part of special do you want to be?"

"What part of special?" the Little Soul repeated. "I don't understand."

"Well," God explained, "being the Light is being special, and being special has a lot of parts to it. It is special to be kind. It is special to be gentle. It is special to be creative. It is special to be patient. Can you think of any other ways it is special to be?"

The Little Soul sat quietly for a moment. "I can think of lots of ways to be special!" the Little Soul then exclaimed. "It is special to be helpful. It is special to be sharing. It is special to be friendly. It is special to be considerate of others!"

"Yes!" God agreed, "and you can be all of those things, or any part of special you wish to be, at any moment. That's what it means to be the Light."

"I know what I want to be, I know what I want to be!" the Little Soul announced with great excitement. "I want to be the part of special called 'forgiving'. Isn't it special to be forgiving?"

"Oh, yes," God assured the Little Soul. "That is very special."

"Okay," said the Little Soul. "That's what I want to be. I want to be forgiving. I want to experience myself as that."

"Good," said God, "but there's one thing you should know."

The Little Soul was becoming a bit impatient now. It always seemed as though there were some complication.

"What is it?" the Little Soul sighed.

"There is no one to forgive."

"No one?" The Little Soul could hardly believe what had been said.

"No one!" God repeated. "Everything I have made is perfect. There is not a single soul in all creation less perfect than you. Look around you."

It was then that the Little Soul realized a large crowd had gathered. Souls had come from far and wide ~ from all over the Kingdom ~ for the word had gone forth that the Little Soul was having this extraordinary conversation with God, and everyone wanted to hear what they were saying. Looking at the countless other souls gathered there, the Little Soul had to agree. None appeared less wonderful, less magnificent, or less perfect than the Little Soul itself. Such was the wonder of the souls gathered around, and so bright was their Light, that the Little Soul could scarcely gaze upon them.

"Who, then, to forgive?" asked God.

"Boy, this is going to be no fun at all!" grumbled the Little Soul. "I wanted to experience myself as One Who Forgives. I wanted to know what that part of special felt like."

And the Little Soul learned what it must feel like to be sad. But just then a Friendly Soul stepped forward from the crowd.

"Not to worry, Little Soul," the Friendly Soul said, "I will help you."

"You will?" the Little Soul brightened. "But what can you do?"

"Why, I can give you someone to forgive!"

"You can?"

"Certainly!" chirped the Friendly Soul. "I can come into your next lifetime and do something for you to forgive."

"But why? Why would you do that?" the Little Soul asked. "You, who are a Being of such utter perfection! You, who vibrate with such a speed that it creates a Light so bright that I can hardly gaze upon you! What could cause you to want to slow down your vibration to such a speed that your bright Light would become dark and dense? What could cause you ~ who are so light that you dance upon the stars and move through the Kingdom with the speed of your thought--to come into my life and make yourself so heavy that you could do this bad thing?"

"Simple," the Friendly Soul said. "I would do it because I love you."

The Little Soul seemed surprised at the answer.

"Don't be so amazed," said the Friendly Soul, "you have done the same thing for me. Don't you remember? Oh, we have danced together, you and I, many times. Through the eons and across all the ages have we danced. Across all time and in many places have we played together. You just don't remember."

"We have both been All Of It. We have been the Up and the Down of it, the Left and the Right of it. We have been the Here and the There of it, the Now and the Then of it. We have been the male and the female, the good and the bad; we have both been the victim and the villain of it."

"Thus have we come together, you and I, many times before; each bringing to the other the exact and perfect opportunity to Express and to Experience Who We Really Are. And so," the Friendly Soul explained further, "I will come into your next lifetime and be the 'bad one' this time. I will do something really terrible, and then you can experience yourself as the One Who Forgives.

"But what will you do?" the Little Soul asked, just a little nervously, "that will be so terrible?"

"Oh," replied the Friendly Soul with a twinkle, "we'll think of something."

Then the Friendly Soul seemed to turn serious, and said in a quiet voice, "You are right about one thing, you know."

"What is that?" the Little Soul wanted to know.

"I will have to slow down my vibration and become very heavy to do this not-so-nice thing. I will have to pretend to be something very unlike myself. And so, I have but one favour to ask of you in return."

"Oh, anything, anything!" cried the Little Soul, and began to dance and sing, "I get to be forgiving, I get to be forgiving!"

Then the Little Soul saw that the Friendly Soul was remaining very quiet.

"What is it?" the Little Soul asked. "What can I do for you? You are such an angel to be willing to do this for me!"

"Of course this Friendly Soul is an angel!" God interrupted. "Everyone is! Always remember: I have sent you nothing but angels."

And so the Little Soul wanted more than ever to grant the Friendly Soul's request. "What can I do for you?" the Little Soul asked again.

"In the moment that I strike you and smite you," the Friendly Soul replied, "in the moment that I do the worst to you that you could possible imagine ~ in that very moment..."

"Yes?" the Little Soul interrupted, "yes...?""Remember Who I Really Am."

"Oh, I will!" cried the Little Soul, "I promise! I will always remember you as I see you right here, right now!"

"Good," said the Friendly Soul, "because, you see, I will have been pretending so hard, I will have forgotten myself. And if you do not remember me as I really am, I may not be able to remember for a very long time. And if I forget Who I Am, you may even forget Who You Are, and we will both be lost. Then we will need another soul to come along and remind us both of Who We Are."

"No, we won't!" the Little Soul promised again. "I will remember you! And I will thank you for bringing me this gift ~ the chance to experience myself as Who I Am.

" And so, the agreement was made. And the Little Soul went forth into a new lifetime, excited to be the Light, which was very special, and excited to be that part of special called Forgiveness.

And the Little Soul waited anxiously to be able to experience itself as Forgiveness, and to thank whatever other soul made it possible. And at all the moments in that new lifetime, whenever a new soul appeared on the scene, whether that new soul brought joy or sadness--and especially if it brought sadness--the Little Soul thought of what God had said.

"Always remember," God had smiled, "I have sent you nothing but angels."


by Neale Donald Walsch, Conversations With God

[edit on 4-9-2009 by cindymars]

reply to post by cindymars


Wonderful post Cindy.

It is true, we only need experience what we are not to fully understand what is it we are. When something knows it is all that there is, it knows there is nothing more than it. However knowing is different to experiencing and this is why we now experience what we do...to know what we are...and what we are not.


We can only know what we are in the presence of what we are not.

EDIT God IS great, God is all that there is. God,creator, being, oneness , source it is not important what you call this but it IS great and it is all that there is.

( Oh and it LOVES you totally and unconditionally because you are it and it is you)





[edit on 4-9-2009 by Mr Green]

Yet non of you answer why God made evil so henious instead of creating a milder form.

Why did God enable man to hurt a little child who cannot even fight back, why not create evil on an even footing.

Come to that why did God create evil in the first place, why not give the option of believing or not when giving mankind free will.

Originally posted by dizzylizzy
Yet non of you answer why God made evil so henious instead of creating a milder form.

Why did God enable man to hurt a little child who cannot even fight back, why not create evil on an even footing.

Come to that why did God create evil in the first place, why not give the option of believing or not when giving mankind free will.

I believe Lumeria was a form of what you are talking about. The Garden of Eden-ish place. But the problem is that we don't evolve as souls with out the opposite to learn from.

Then the Dark came in to assist the evolution and voila, Atlantis. And again, us! I have trouble with it, too, but this is the way it is. And it also helps to know that this really is just a play we volunteered to participate in. We planned the whole thing out ahead of time. So we surely knew what we were getting into, we have just forgotten. And now our job is to remember!

reply to post by cindymars


I love that Cindy, it's a great way to explain it. Did the end of the story get cut off?

Originally posted by blujay
reply to post by cindymars

 

I love that Cindy, it's a great way to explain it. Did the end of the story get cut off?

Yes it did.
I fixed it.
I have been having copy and paste issues.

Peace to all the Source within me loves you all.
My ego might not care much for you all however.

Originally posted by dizzylizzy
Yet non of you answer why God made evil so henious instead of creating a milder form.

Why did God enable man to hurt a little child who cannot even fight back, why not create evil on an even footing.

Come to that why did God create evil in the first place, why not give the option of believing or not when giving mankind free will.

God First Source is not the maker of this World because as you have described;
This world is Hell and the Devil/ Satan that does all these heinous things is the separated self of ego within us all. That chose to live in such a reality that separates each from each other through fear, hate and war.
However one has the choice to decide to change the world and not follow ones ego and instead follow the Holy Spirit deep within and help to Heal the world and turn it back to the way of peace, love and happiness through turning ones heart and mind to Oneness once again.
nosce ti ipsum

[edit on 4-9-2009 by Epsillion70]

Originally posted by DaMod


They simply do not know the history.

Also, you obviously are unaware the Buddha said himself that Jesus was divine.

I thought that Buddhism pre-dates Christianity , by a few hundred years .

Did Buddha "foretell" of a divine one called "Christ" ?

reply to post by DaMod


Take it easy there, tiger. I'm not a god hater. I don't hate. And I would have to believe in a god first before I could even begin to hate it/him/her which I wouldn't .

reply to post by LiveForever8


that is a brilliant proposition right there. glad you like the title.