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Heaven is Space/ Angels are Aliens

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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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Reply to post by Agree2Disagree
 


Perhaps I didn't make it clear.

I find validity in both stories, partly. I believe there are aliens, but I also believe angels/God/Heaven exist as different entities too. Perhaps aliens did pose as Gods in ancient times, but does that discredit biblical tales? No, absolutely not. Perhaps the biblical tales are spot on and they were angels descending from chariots of fire. Does that discredit the theory that aliens posed as Gods? No, absolutey not.

There are two sides to every story friend.


 
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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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I tend to agree with most of your conclusions!

Here is some supporting evidence lifted right out of the texts....

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 03:36 PM
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Thanks! By the way, I s & F your thread on this topic!!



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
I honestly don't see the difference in "levels of craziness" between believing in Heaven/God and believing in anything else, such as 2012/ETs.

If you claim my God is imaginary, I claim your ETs are also imaginary(although I do personally believe ETs exist). If you claim my Heaven(which I believe is beyond our capabilitiesof description i.e. Physical, dimensional, etc etc) is imaginary, then I likewise claim your Nibiru/ascension to higher conciousness/whatever is also imaginary.

You cannot give the human mind credit for imagining one ridiculous thing without givingthem credit for a similar ridiculous thing. Neither have solid proof. Neither have been debunked.

It's ludicrous to think that your way is the only way and mine was imagined.


But your arguing with yourself.

It's all the same thing.

My sentiments exactly....Agree 2disagree is not realizing that they are saying the same thing but constantly contradicting themself as well...They keep stating that " No, no angels are really real!" and we are saying, " Yes you are right..we just call then aliens in modern times...same entities, different names"...



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by ChemBreather

Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by RockAwayRadio
 


The bible is exactly where I got my inspiration....

I interpreted it for its modern meanings.



That is what I did too, I was snooping around, and found webpages about God is an Alien , God is Anu et cetera, and the scary thing, is that it makes sence, it even dont sound redicules, it actually answers the myths and mysteries of the Binle and Quran... ET , the Bible is an ET history book, and not Our Religion..


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You hit the nail right on the head with this.... the bible is a log book of close encounters written in ancient terminology....especially the Book of Enoch ( which was removed due to it being extremely descriptive about the cosmic creatures and places..

when the bible was snipped and cut, it was done to hide the extra terrstrial nature and so that the controling goverenments could "implant" our minds with images of earthly humans( caucasian) so that you subliminaly give alligience autmatically to them in charge



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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Ugh.

I am putting forth the notion that yes, they are the same, but no, they're not. Some were, some weren't.

Perhaps my view is too....."accepting". It seems that people these days must have atleast one theory "debunked".


 
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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 04:06 PM
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Even though I have used the terms myself, I often find myself thinking that the terms "aliens and angels/demons" is just not really appropriate or fitting for the lifeforms out there. It sort of pushes them into human labels that is more than likely very unappropriate way to classify all the vast amounts of lifeforms this universe contains.. and in all the places in between.

On an observational level I try to see it as just being life, there's just a whole lot of lifeforms out there, and perhaps one day we will truly understand who and what they are, until then our human(ness) forces labels onto these lifeforms to try and understand them.

Just creation, just life. "Other Life"

Be In Peace.
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posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 09:22 PM
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I wish this were true, but it's not.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 09:23 PM
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Some traditions have confused the term 'Heaven' with 'Paradise'. They are not the same thing. Heaven, or The Heavens, never meant anything but the sky. In all of literature, in all traditions, pointing upward indicates a Heavenward direction. It does not mean anything else. Paradise is an altogether different thing, and should not be confused with Heaven.

Anywhere you read that someone or something descends from Heaven, it means it descended from the sky, always.

Now go and reread the bible, knowing that. Takes on a different meaning, doesn't it?



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 09:28 PM
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Heaven is Space. Yes.
Aliens are Man.

Once again we are faced with having to go offworld for the survival of our species. Only that once up there we find that we cannot come back.

Why do you think an 'Angel' had the right to breed with man?
Surely they did not fly around the galaxy, find some backwater planet and say "Hey, those Apes are pretty hot, lets go f*** one"

The War in Heaven was a War over US. Man vs Man.

Aliens may have evolved, grown frail, loss of skin pigmentation...but they are us and we are them.



posted on Sep, 4 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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your logic doesnt take into account for the fact that if heaven is in a higher vibrational frequency then the so called ASCENSION could simply be a rising of frequency and not a literal movement UP into space. and likewise the FALL of angels could be the lowering of their own vibration that results in negative activity on their part. just a theory of course.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:35 AM
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Check this angel/alien out.... Mexico has found one apparently...

Story:
www.dailytelegraph.com.au...
Video:
www.youtube.com...

Looks pretty freaky...


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posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:36 AM
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Her we go again....

Again, where are the beings in the bible traveling back and forward to? If you are a physical being ( like I assume you suspect angels and god are, and they were) then you have to understand that they travel to and from physical places...they have to orignate from a physical place as well...you can't try to intertwine real and imaginary....if the angels are real and not made up in people's minds, then they come from a real place not a made up one...people that don't want to accept the extraterrestrial theory want to truly believe in real angels that come from and travel from an imaginary place (poof, out of thin air)...

Logic, logic...please see the logic



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 12:58 AM
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Very interesting topic. I have been fascinated with the subject of angels and aliens for such a long time now that I have misplaced the memory of what sparked the curiosity in the first place.

One of the ideas that I find compelling about the Holy Bible (in context to supporting evidence of an angelic-alien connection) is that, mathematically speaking, there are clusters of words situated, each at a precise matrix, throughout the bible and is what's known as hidden code, a bible within a bible, written by a computer and found by a computer's computer.

"Decoding The Past" - 45 minutes
video.google.com...#

Now how, on God's green Earth, does that happen if the Bible is not exactly the way it's supposed to be at this very time? Every single letter and every single word is precisely where it should be. Math doesn't lie, at least not the kind that is used to unearth biblical discoveries. What if, for the sake of argument, the author/s of the bible and the bible code knows/know what and where angels and demons are?

Time is short, I look forward to reading the rest of your thread.

Thank you for posting!

Antonia


P.S. Btw, I personally believe that Hell is both a physical AND a metaphysical place. I think the planet Earth is Hell and Heaven is in outer space. The word 'heaven' can be used in a general sense to mean outer space in general and also as a specific place in outer space. And maybe the reason that the specific geography of Heaven is not obviously disclosed is for security reasons. From what I've gathered, there are certain lifeforms who would love to get their pedicured talons on that kind of intel.



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posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 01:42 AM
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Very interesting connection and it makes a lot of sense to me anyway thanks for the post star and flag.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 02:19 AM
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your logic doesnt take into account for the fact that if heaven is in a higher vibrational frequency then the so called ASCENSION could simply be a rising of frequency and not a literal movement UP into space. and likewise the FALL of angels could be the lowering of their own vibration that results in negative activity on their part. just a theory of course.


While I agree that you may have a point. I would say that this is a common problem I find with 'christians'. They love to take whatever contradicts their beliefs out of the bible, and claim it is meant metaphorically. When you stop doing that, and look at the bible as a real account of what happened it makes alot more sense! Everything fits and the guess work to fill in the blanks fall away. You cant go and say, 'Yes, but Jesus didn't mean it like that, it is just a metaphor for something else.'
Not trying to piss anyone off, it's just that I have experienced this many times when discussing the bible with people.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 02:26 AM
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Hi,

Thanks for posting that article, but I don't know why people just kill whatever is strange to them. It's almost like we are programed that way. I feel bad for the little guy, and his parents.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 02:46 AM
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Poor little baby.


I wonder how they know it was a baby?

Thank you ByteChanger.



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posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by TiM3LoRd
 


Her we go again....

Again, where are the beings in the bible traveling back and forward to? If you are a physical being ( like I assume you suspect angels and god are, and they were) then you have to understand that they travel to and from physical places...they have to orignate from a physical place as well...you can't try to intertwine real and imaginary....if the angels are real and not made up in people's minds, then they come from a real place not a made up one...people that don't want to accept the extraterrestrial theory want to truly believe in real angels that come from and travel from an imaginary place (poof, out of thin air)...

Logic, logic...please see the logic


*SMILES*

logic you say. ok then.

first and foremost my belief is not the issue here we are speculating in both regards. one supposition has no more weight than the other. i like the rest of you used to buy into the "god are aliens" theory and for the most part that may or may not be true. BUT and this is the clincher to ASSUME and that is what you are doing, that a physical entity does not have the capability to shift not move but shift into another vibrational state is being closed minded. only a god would know for a fact if something is impossible. all im saying is lets not be so quick to make assumtions about who or what aliens god angels or demons are.

People need to be careful with how they word things. if one can believe that there are other forms of life out there that have evolved to a point where they can move billions of light years of distance why is it so hard to believe that they come from another dimension???? Did your use up your quota of believability??? how is one unbelievable thing more acceptable than another? seriously?

be careful about what you believe it determines your reality......and THAT is a FACT.



posted on Sep, 5 2009 @ 04:08 AM
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ok let me see if i can help you guys

god and the angels do not live in space/time with us, for god lives outside of time and can see all the events of the universe from the big bang till the end

we live in 4 dimensions, 3 of space and 1 of time that were created by the big bang going off in the void. No alien, no anyone, or thing, that lives in our 4 dimensional universe can be god or angels

god, angels, heaven/hell, would all exist outside all of this, which would technically make them higher dimensional beings. being in a higher dimension, they can look down on all of creation, the entire universe from big bang to now, to the future to the end of it all and see it all at once like a long movie reeled off its 35mm film.

this is akin to a large pond which we can stand on the bank and look into, we can even reach in a pull fish out of the pond.. we can dive into the pond... we can see all of the pond, and its earthlings and aliens, but we ourselves would be outside it all looking in.

I hope this helps everyone


and added thought, Q from startrek, would be a higher dimensional being.. he exhibits all the qualities of a higher dimensional being, aka god but please dont take this as Q is god .. its just an example



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