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Heaven is Space/ Angels are Aliens

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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 04:35 PM
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Gods exist since ever, and it's the same about aliens.

Also, religious wars are the most seen wars since beginning of humans.

So did different alien colonies dropped human-kind on earth to see how they were at their beginning, like if we were test?

It's plausible that maybe a good alien colony want us to be good, and others want us to war and kill each other...

Christianism is the latest alien colony to ever give us a sign.

Before that, there were Greak Mythologie, which had their own god/aliens, and more...

I wonder if you understand what Im saying, but it's quite an interesting fact.




posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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For me, there is no wrong or right. I am not in a positon to make that decision.

I believe in personal truths. Whatever works for you, doesn't necessarily work for me and vice versa.

As for the organised institutions, well, they can do whatever they want. Condemn me for my beliefs, I don't mind. Atleast I know it will be at my own doing because I thought for myself. I am not about to be condemned because of what someone else has told me.

To this you will probably mention that man wrote the bible and so effectively I a contradicting myself, which in fact, I am not. Personal truths friend.

I have done my research, lived my life, had my experiences, and with that arose my belief system. I forged my belief system, not somebody else.


 
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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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Friend, I believe you may have misunderstood.

I said I do not dare think I know God's will. I only mentioned my interpretation. With that being said - MY INTERPRETATION - yes, I do have a mind of my own.

Just because what I have stated is similar to what others say doesn't mean it isn't my personal belief. Just because one believes in reincarnation doesn't make them a scientologist. Likewise, just because I believe God is loving, doesn't mean I am exactly like all the other christians. Similar, but not the same.

How dare you question if I have a mind of my own. I know you did not mean it in a harsh way but apparently you have not read this whole thread.

Take what I say any way you will. I am not proclaiming to know truth, simply sharing my opinions. If that is wrong, crucify me.




 
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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
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Friend, I believe you may have misunderstood.

I said I do not dare think I know God's will. I only mentioned my interpretation. With that being said - MY INTERPRETATION - yes, I do have a mind of my own.

Just because what I have stated is similar to what others say doesn't mean it isn't my personal belief. Just because one believes in reincarnation doesn't make them a scientologist. Likewise, just because I believe God is loving, doesn't mean I am exactly like all the other christians. Similar, but not the same.

How dare you question if I have a mind of my own. I know you did not mean it in a harsh way but apparently you have not read this whole thread.

Take what I say any way you will. I am not proclaiming to know truth, simply sharing my opinions. If that is wrong, crucify me.




 
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All apologies - I did read your post in haste. My bad.

Agree to disagree on the rest? I do need to stop letting my feelings get the best of me, especially with religious debates, hehe.

But I stand by mine, and you stand by yours. No way to indeed to the truth until this life is over. I just feel this whole ET/God/Angels/Demons (all being synonymous) to ring true for me. It sounds much more logical than if you just take the bible literally.

Handshake?



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 04:55 PM
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Absolutely!

My moniker was not an accident!

I also need to take a breather from the religious debates. They get me fired up so much. Lots of narrow minded individuals at both ends of the spectrum.


 
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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 04:59 PM
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Very nice, I like it.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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This is part of the Great Deception, spoken of in prophecy, though it began long ago.

The "Aliens" are in fact angels, but not those who serve God. Rather, they are the fallen angels, who were banished from the Heaven of heavens (that is, the spiritual non-physical realm which is the kingdom, or domain, of God (the Creator, Redeemer, and King), in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). The Heaven of heavens is where the angels of God reside - that is, those who are obedient and faithful to Him.

The Great Deception is coming when the fallen ones will cause many to turn from God (to forsake/alter their faith and deny proper obedience to Him), in both subtle and great ways. Even His elect ones will be affected.

The only ones who will be safe are those who are separated to the Son - Christ Jesus. Those who are truly faithful and genuinely obedient to Him in Spirit and in Truth will be set apart to be saved from this Great Deception.

Whether you believe what I tell you or not, this is the way it will be.

[edit on 3-9-2009 by walman]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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You speak as if you know this as fact. To accept what you say is to deny myself. I too am made in the image of God. Therefore why would I deny myself? We do not know truth, because the truth shall set us free. You are still on this Earth, yes? Therefore you are not free.

A2d


 
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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:28 PM
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It's funny, whenever I read people who are trying to debunk evolution, one of the most common things they point out is that 'If we evolved from monkeys, why are they still here?'

Let me make this very clear...

READ A BOOK.

The idea of evolution is not that you had one group of animals that magically changed into a new species. The idea is that you had a lot of animals, all moving around, and evolving in ways that best assisted them. The monkeys that are monkeys now took a different evolutionary path then early man. Man ended up evolving in his own way, with similar ANCESTORS to modern apes and monkeys. Similar ancestors, say it with me, similar ancestors...

Before you try to debunk a theory that a lot of scientists have devoted their entire career on, maybe you should take the time to figure out what they're talking about. If you're going to say that Einstein was wrong about whether or not something could accelerate faster then the speed of light, don't you think you should know about it and have actual reasons to back it up, rather then making vague statements following pseudo-logic?

gah..sorry, that topic just peeves me like none other...

Anyway, regardless....this topic is one I've thought about since I was a kid. My dad let me borrow the Chariots of the Gods to check it out, and it blew my mind how obvious it was. However, I think it's wrong to think that, say, Jesus wasn't real, or that he was an alien hybrid. I mean, come on guys.

Jesus was a real man. A lot of his story was changed to fit with a lot of the old pagan religions. However, it's pretty logical to conclude that he was probably a 'prophet' who actually walked on this earth. now, I believe that the reason he was considered a prophet was that he did, in fact, talk to 'God'. An alien more then likely spoke to him, using a 'form' or guise that would seem heavenly. There is a greater plan for humanity that the aliens have been working at for a very, VERY long time, and to help tweak a lot of humans' perspectives, they needed big 'icons' that the people would listen to, who were very much human.

I have no doubts that prophets like Jesus were real. I do, however, doubt that they were heavenly or anything like that. Methinks they were used to spread the message that the aliens wanted them to spread.

I believe that heaven is actually a higher dimension, maybe the 4th, maybe the 11th. I haven't spent too much time thinking about it. However, I know that these higher realms are difficult for humans to understand. The process of shifting from 3rd dimensional beings into higher dimensions is a difficult one, but if you get everyone basically doing it at once, with things like worldwide communications, sciences, etc all sorta, coming to one point, then its possible to utilize the power of all human consciousnesses and catapult our race into higher realms. In a sense, evolve. What's likely coming in 2012 (though I obviously don't know the exact date when this might happen ha)

We are being taught by higher beings. We are experiencing first hand attributes of our consciousness. The aliens watch over us, and help us learn important lessons. They hope that we will use their lessons, such as the importance and power of love, to wake ourselves up, open our eyes and see reality for what it is. They can put obstacles that force us to consciously work out the problem, and they can be, what we would see as, an angel whispering in our ears.

I don't know what my point of posting here was anymore. I'm still trying to understand it myself. I know that there are two emotional forces in the universe, fear and love. I know that our consciousness is exceptionally powerful, and as long as we strive to spread love and good vibes, strive to listen to our hearts, and be ourselves, we're basically home free. I don't know...its so hard to put in words because theres so much. heh... best of luck friends



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:28 PM
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The demons are angels too! Just bad ones. But I have a twist on this whole concept. I believe in One GOD, and that he exists. Then there are angels and then there are humans. So the story rings true about satan and his angel brothers and sisters getting kicked out of heaven. They came to earth and made (tempted really) Adam and Eve into eating the forbidden fruit. When man fell it put everything into motion! Two factions fighting for the future of humanity. But satan has nothing to gain so Im not sure why he is fighting. I do know God is letting him do his worst to prove love and compassion and the love for him will win out no matter how he decieves the world into thinking He(GOD) is fictional. Boy, sure feels at times like satan and his angels are winning.

Tell me what you think? Oh and I don't believe in ghost either. I believe anything and everything paranormal is satan and his angels in relation. Only God, angels and humans exist. Although I do believe there is the possiblity that life exists else where. I just don't believe God lets them interfere with his plan and everthing on earth.

So yes aliens are angels. Just don't believe God is. I believe the whole alien concept and what we are seeing is satan and his angels being diabolical.

If you wrap your head around this fully it explains everything!


[edit on 3-9-2009 by wildcorp]



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:36 PM
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What do you think of the possibility of extraterrestrials? Good, bad, or just beings like us?

Just in case....



 
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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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Im wondering.....which pill did you take? The red or the green one? Just want to know which one not to take.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:39 PM
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Well I try to keep an open mind. I don't think I will ever know till God brings heaven here to earth. But I like to think there is. I like to think of God as a creator of various planets and life. Like I said before. I don't believe he allows them to interfere with his plan. Just sayin!



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:42 PM
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*sigh*

Nice call on the edit right before I posted my question.

I can see where you are coming from.

What do you think about the possibility of ETs being simply ETs and not angels? Perhaps they were genetic mutations in ancient civilizations or something of that sort.

Just pitching ideas here. Trying to stir the pot a litte bit



 
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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:42 PM
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Let's assume for the sake of this post that the claims of the Bible are true.

It would then follow that:
The universe is certainly the "heavens".
The "Kingdom of Heaven" is the long established social order of the universe ruled over directly by the "creator".
"Angels" are agents of this kingdom.
"Demons" are agents that oppose this kingdom.
"Alien" is a modern term applied to the reality of these things, minus a religious connotation.

And this is to say nothing of the inter-dimensional possibilities.

There are too many false assumptions and misinformations floating around out there about the claims of the bible so lets clear up just a small few of them.

1) Hell: is not the same as the "lake of fire". Hell is death, the grave.

2)The "lake of fire" on the other hand is the "place prepared for the devil and his angels". The so called "eternal torment" of this place can also be translated as "non-existence" or what the bible also refers to as "the second death".

3) The Kingdom of Heaven: will be established on the Earth physically with the return of Christ.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:44 PM
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This is a reprinting of a post I made some time ago...

The Bible reads like a history of the relations between mankind and the heavens.
One of its first claims is that man was created from the dust of the Earth (read: carbon-based) in the image of god and the angels. If this claim were true it may be safe to assume that this "image of god" would have to be a universally dominant pattern among intelligent lifeforms. This may explain why all of the aliens we know of are bipedal or "human-like". (In one biblical encounter with an angel, a prophet describes the angel as having "an appearance somewhat like that of a man".)

The Bible paints the picture of a "Kingdom in the Heavens" centered around a soveriegn conciousness/creator against which a third of its inhabitants are in "rebellion". This Kingdom and its population existed long before the Earth did. The Bible seems to document a celestial struggle to re-establish this "heavenly kingdom" on the Earth.

Most important to its claim of authenticity is the Torah's claim of divine authorship. According to the text, the first five books of the Bible (the Torah) were given to Moses fully written "by the finger of God". This, along with the documented "actual words of God" to the Hebrew prophets constitute the meat of the Bible; the rest, the histories and so forth, being filled in by the hands of men, according to the Bible's claims.

This isn't as dogmatic as it may sound because criteria is put forth in the Bible by which to believe any such outlandish claims be they from the Bible or any other source. And that criteria is: Foreknowledge of the pageant of human history. Basically God says: "I'm going to reveal history ahead of the fact and this is how you'll know that I am the Lord." After this claim God then challenges mankind to produce any other work or text that predicts the future at all much less with such sweeping scope and acuracy as the Bible. This is the proof that the Bible is an authentically supernatural text. Its the "proof of God's existance" that everyone is always demanding be lain on the table. And what's even more important to this thread is that its the revealed truth about our relation to the "celestial host" or the "aliens".

What, you may be asking did the bible predict besides the fact that aliens are very real? It predicted the coming of a messiah in Israel as the centerpiece of world history. It predicted the rise of the west under the banner of this Messiah. It predicted the fall of the Medea/Persia (Iraq and Iran) to first Alexander of Greece and then (in the last days) to an even greater western culture directly derived from Greek culture. It predicted everything that's ever happened to Israel throughout history - that Israel would be the most persecuted of all nations but that it would nevertheless retain its culture and land in the eventual scenario. The list of accurate Bible prophecy goes on and on and not a single claim of prophecy outside of the Bible holds up to this kind of scrutiny. Its a matter of Historical fact. And that's not to mention the relevancy of the Bible Code, itself.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:49 PM
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Well like I said. I believe it is very possible. I think God is diverse in his creativity. But they are not allowed to interfere here. So IMHO, ET's that people here are seeing are evil angels. Period! Ghosts=evil angels too. Demons=evil angels. A gypsy looking into her crystal ball talking to the dead, is talking to evil angels. I think you might be getting my picture. But I love talking about this so keep em coming. I think the more this is talked about the clearer the picture becomes for people.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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Yes, I see exactly what you are talking about. One last question, perhaps it will stir up more -

do you think that since these ETs are not allowed to interfere with His plan for mankind that God has an alternate plan for them? Basically, are they religious?


 
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posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 05:58 PM
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Wow....get out of my head! You are right on with all of my thinking! I believe exactly this read. You are so on about death being an event and not an everlasting death and torment. I must ask you though.....knowing this as truth.....dosent it make the world you live in make so much sense? Does to me and Im just asking.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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Hmmm interesting. But you see, I feel when we are finally with him(God), we will be able to visit life on all planets. As far as plans for them......Im not sure. Are they religious....well religion is man made. Believing in him is all he asks. So do they believe in him. I believe so. Unless they are going through the same trials as our existance. Then things are prolly in chaos.



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