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Topic started on 2-9-2009 @ 10:44 PM by ButterCookie
First, we must state the obvious that Heaven is depicted to be a PLACE.

Next, one must distinguish to themselves if they consider this place to be fictious (imaginary) or real with a physical location.....

1. If one states that Heaven is "paradise", I ask them to describe their paradise image and realize that is a personal ideal, existing in ones own mind. They have to then ackowledge that they believe it to be totally imaginary....but then where are the biblical angels falling from, descending from, or ascending up into?

Heaven is not imaginary

2. If one states that Heaven is indeed a pysical, real place, they would be correct...Angels and God had to have had a location to descend down from, and ascend up into....

Heaven is a Real Physical place.

Then you must ask, "Which planet or galaxy does this place exist? Definatley not Earth....think about it: if one is coming down from this place or going up into this place it has exist above this planet. In the bible Heaven is also depicted as "the place beyond the clouds"....if you looked through a telescope and saw beyond the clouds, what are you looking at?

SPACE

How does Angel=Alien? If I am a 'Heaven Dweller" and we've established that Heaven is Space, then what ( in modern terminolgy) do we consider a "Space dweller"?

ALIEN

What do you think a 'winged creature ' that originates from another planet and able to travel through space to reach Earth is called? Today we say Alien or ET...in biblical times they called them Angels...

UFO-Chariot of Fire
Artificial insemination- Virgin Birth
God(s)- ET's with longer life spans and advance technology
Resurections performed- advanced medicine and surgery
High Tech technology- miracles, blessings
Holy- Cosmic

and the list goes on......

Comments?





[edit on 3-9-2009 by ButterCookie]


reply posted on 2-9-2009 @ 10:53 PM by Greenize
reply to post by ButterCookie


I have several books on this very subject. It makes total sense to me. The topic interests me greatly and of course the more I study the more I want to know and understand!



reply posted on 2-9-2009 @ 10:53 PM by theuhstuf
reply to post by Republican08


some are christian.

some don't like to be categorized.


reply posted on 2-9-2009 @ 10:57 PM by Republican08
Originally posted by theuhstuf
reply to post by Republican08


some are christian.

some don't like to be categorized.


So if someone believes that, jesus was an 'alien', per se, he would still be considered a christian?

Oh by the way, it's not ANGLE it's ANGEL.

Sorry it's a pet peeve OP.

YAY! He changed it


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reply posted on 2-9-2009 @ 11:25 PM by wazthewazzock
To me this is something that has more proof added as time goes on.
to be honest, if anyone has opened my eyes to it, David Icke was the start for me.
Heres a quote from him site:



There was no Jesus, the story is a repeat of a tale that goes back to Babylon and was told in endless cultures long before Christianity using different names for the hero. It is a symbolic narrative relating to Sun worship. So, whichever version of 'Jesus' that people peddle the following questions need to be asked: (1) How can someone who did not exist be 'God's only begotten son' (Sun) and be 'coming back on a cloud' (like the Sun) to save us all? (2) How could someone who did not exist have children with Mary Magdalene and how could she therefore take the bloodline to France to become the Merovingian kings? (3) How can the body of someone who did not exist be found in a tomb near Jerusalem? It's all lies within lies within lies to divert attention from the real 'revelation' - there was no Jesus and the Christian religion, like those of Judaism, Islam and all the rest, are manufactured belief systems to keep their advocates in mental and emotional servitude while being played off against each other to divide and rule.


Originally posted by eMachine

Really though, must we always have tidy little labeled boxes to divide people into? I personally think we've had enough of that.


Making people feel individual as if no one is like anyone else is whats stopping "world peace"


But damned good thread
S+F

[edit on 2-9-2009 by wazthewazzock]


reply posted on 2-9-2009 @ 11:30 PM by gLuEBoY
Originally posted by wazthewazzock
To me this is something that has more proof added as time goes on.
to be honest, if anyone has opened my eyes to it, David Icke was the start for me.
Heres a quote from him site:



There was no Jesus, the story is a repeat of a tale that goes back to Babylon and was told in endless cultures long before Christianity using different names for the hero. It is a symbolic narrative relating to Sun worship. So, whichever version of 'Jesus' that people peddle the following questions need to be asked: (1) How can someone who did not exist be 'God's only begotten son' (Sun) and be 'coming back on a cloud' (like the Sun) to save us all? (2) How could someone who did not exist have children with Mary Magdalene and how could she therefore take the bloodline to France to become the Merovingian kings? (3) How can the body of someone who did not exist be found in a tomb near Jerusalem? It's all lies within lies within lies to divert attention from the real 'revelation' - there was no Jesus and the Christian religion, like those of Judaism, Islam and all the rest, are manufactured belief systems to keep their advocates in mental and emotional servitude while being played off against each other to divide and rule.



Flavius Josephus writes about a man from Galilee named Yeshua ( Jesus ) and that he was a great man .. I think this is him. Josephus was a Jewish historian who was around in those times.. So even if you dont believe what the bible has to say maybe you could believe him

.. There is more evidance to the existance of Jesus than not.

[edit on 2-9-2009 by gLuEBoY]


reply posted on 2-9-2009 @ 11:33 PM by OzWeatherman
reply to post by ButterCookie



Heaven is Space/ Angles are Aliens


Yeah Isosceles the archangel

Its an interesting theory though. Its apparent fromm ancient carvings, paintings and texts, that they were visited by apparent gods or angels. Maybe ET's are the reason behind the whole angel/ god thing



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reply posted on 2-9-2009 @ 11:40 PM by JBA2848
www.authenticmaya.com...

Pleiades: The Tzolk'in is the sacred calendar of the Maya and is based on the cycles of the Pleiades. The cycle of the Pleiades uses 26,000 years, that the Sun orbiting Alcyone, the central star of the Pleiades, but is reflected in the calendar we are using by encompassing 260 days. Their calendar year began when the Maya priests first remarked the asterism rising heliacally in the east, immediately before the sun's dawn light obliterated the view of the stars. In the beginning, the Maya understood that they came from the Pleiades, or “Tzab-ek", (Rattlesnake's tail), as they are known by the Maya. The relationship with the Pleiades and the Mayan world is written in the sacred books of the Maya. It is in the consciousness of the grandmothers and grandfathers who had it passed on to them. It is an important record. The elders say the universe comes from the Pleiades. With the Hubble Telescope, it was discovered about ten years ago, that there is a place where stars are born in a great spiral that originates at the site of the Pleiades, outside of the spiral is complete empty space. In coordination with the galactic precession, the Mayas also look at the precession of time through the Pleiades. Alcyone, the central star of the Pleiades, is located at 30 degrees from Taurus, near the constellation Orion. Alcyone, in Taurus, represents the Earth Goddess. The lessons from Alcyone are those dealing with compassion, higher wisdom and vision, and Earth consciousness. Much has been channeled from the Pleiades. Alcyone figures prominently in Mayan astronomy. The Mayas believe it is the home of their ancestors. The Pleiades star system is referred to as the seven sisters and our sun aligns with Alcyone every 52 years. In Mayan cosmology the precession of the Pleiades is tracked using the Calendar Round (52 years) and the New Fire ceremony. In the Early Preclassic Site of Ujuxte, in the Pacific Lowlands, the central plaza appears to have a celestial alignment that coincides with the rise and fall of the Pleiades, This is also right for the Stelas and Altars from Monte Alto. The present-day Maya in Guatemala, make use of the Pleiades to begin their planting for the year.


Seems the Mayans thought they came from The Pleiades star system and even based one of there calenders on a 52 year cycle due to it.


reply posted on 3-9-2009 @ 12:29 AM by Orion65
reply to post by ButterCookie


I've looked into most common religions to see what they're about. Most have some similarities, so it makes sense that they all saw something all those years ago to explain their belief in a higher power. They had contact with beings more advanced than they were at the time, so whatever they saw was considered "god(s)".

It makes no sense that we are alone in the universe. It does make sense that our planet has been visited, and continues to be visited, by beings who may feel we're not yet ready to meet them en masse.

I've watched shows and read books such as Ancient Aliens, Chariots of the Gods, etc. and the ideas there are so well presented that they make more sense to me than what most religions teach.

(But ultimately, I keep an open mind because until I know something for sure - and it has been proven to me beyond any doubt - that I really don't know anything.)


reply posted on 3-9-2009 @ 01:04 AM by ButterCookie
reply to post by Republican08


Ya know, I'm struggling with that to this day: Am I an Athiest?
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