"Not in My Name! ~~Jewish opposition to Zionism"

Hi ATS,

I went in search to show that Zionism neither represent a set blood, nor the specific religion of Judaism. It in fact has many People within what is considered the Jewish Race(commonly perceived), or religion who are adamantly against it.

Here is what I found. An excellent article from the Folks at Desert Peace.
desertpeace.wordpress.com...

There is a growing trend outside and within Israel itself to oppose the atrocious polices of the state of Israel. When a non Jew speaks out against these policies he is automatically labelled an anti-Semite. A Jew in that position is simply called a self hater. Both of these groups are growing daily. More and more Jews are realising that the state’s policies are actually working against them, as well as the state itself. Yes, there is real anti-Semitism in this world today. Much of it is manifested in the opposition to Israeli policies, raising the question of ‘is anti zionism anti-Semitism in disguise’? In some cases yes, this is the case…. but in most cases it’s not. What implication does that have for the Jews themselves that find themselves in the growing anti zionist camp? What about the Jewish Israelis that shout out, loud and clear, NOT IN MY NAME!

Eh, er, they must be Self Hating Anti Semitic Types; which obviously must be into odd SMBM??? No, not quite, they are simply People tired of having a huge multi national octopus using their name as a scapegoat to atrocities.

Here are some of the more famous Anti-Zionist Jews of Israel:

Avraham Burg, former head of the World Jewish Agency and former Speaker of the Knesset;
Shulamit Aloni, a former Minister of Education;
Yossi Sarid a former Knesset member and past leader of Meretz; Uri Avnery former Knesset member and leader of Gush Shalom; the late Israel Shahak former Chair of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights; former General and Knessett Member Mattityahu Peled;
Meron Benvenisti, former Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem;
Jeff Halper head of Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions;
Felica Langer, a well known human rights lawyer;
Michael Warschawski, co-founder of the Alternative Information Center; University of Oxford historian Avi Shalim;
Eitan Bronstein Chair of Zochrot, which means “Remember,” and works to remind Israelis about the Nakba or Palestinian catastrophe;
the late linguist and journalist Tanya Reinhart;
New Israeli Historian Ilan Pappe; Uri Davis, author of Israel: An Apartheid State (London: Zed Books, 1987);
Tikva Honig-Parnass, editor of Between the Lines;
and journalists Gideon Levy, Amira Hass, A.B. Yehoshua, Yitzhak Laor, Akiva Eldar, Meron Rapoport, B. Michael, and Gideon Spiro to name only a few of the many Israelis who are anti-Zionist, non-Zionist or extremely critical of Zionism and Israel’s policies toward the Palestinians.

To accompany the above People of Judaism; here are exerts from this report titled, and by:

Is it Anti-Semitic to Defend Palestinian Human Rights? Jewish Opposition to Zionism Edward C. Corrigan

OMG, did You read the quote below??? It said organized... They wouldn't of course be here in ATS!!!?

All across Canada and in the United States, there is an organized campaign to suppress criticism of Israeli policies toward the Palestinians. The campaign is especially strong on university campuses where many voices have been raised in support of human rights for the Palestinians.

Some Famous, and prominent People who have been assaulted by this organized fighting force:

Ralph Nader:

One such example is the attempt to suppress the Public Interest Research Group, founded by Ralph Nader, at the University of Ottawa for their support for Palestinian human rights.

Jewish professors’ Norman Finkelstein and Joel Kovel

(author of many books on Israel and Zionism including Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestinian Conflict (Verso Press, New York, 1995) and Joel Kovel (author of Overcoming Zionism: Creating a Single Democratic State in Israel/Palestine (Pluto Press: London, 2007))

Arch Bishop Desmond Tutu

Another tactic is to smear such individuals who have supported the Palestinians with allegations of anti-Semitism. One such individual was Arch Bishop Desmond Tutu. A few complaints from the Jewish community led to the Noble Prize winner being banned from speaking on campus by the University of St. Thomas in Minnesota. Tutu was attacked because of statements he made criticizing Israeli policy toward the Palestinians that some Jewish individuals said were “anti Semitic.”

Professor Bill Robinson

Professor Bill Robinson was also a target of a similar campaign about alleged anti Semitism to get him fired at the University of California Santa Barbara (UCSB). Ultimately the University administration defended Robinson’s academic freedom and the right to express his opinions in his global politics class. Robinson, who is Jewish, distributed an email prepared by a pro-Palestinian Jewish activist that compared the Israeli attack on Gaza to the Nazi attack on the Warsaw Ghetto.

Sir Gerald Kaufman

Sir Gerald Kaufman, one of the founders of Independent Jewish Voices in Britain, also used his position as a Member of Parliament in London, England to criticize Israeli policy toward the Palestinians. Members of Kaufman’s family perished at the hands of the Nazis and in the Holocaust. As one of the U.K.’s harshest critics of Israeli policies, Kaufman routinely compared the Jewish state’s treatment of Palestinians to Nazi Germany’s treatment of Jews.

Wake Up, Stand Up,

Sancho

[edit on 2-9-2009 by sanchoearlyjones]

Mod Edit: Removed all caps from title.


[edit on 3-9-2009 by Gemwolf]

I'm just giving the ole' one man show proverbial boost here. This is an important topic, and someone thought so enough for a flag

I'm confused as to why the Jews need to have laws made to stop anyone speaking ill of them. Aren't we all big kids here? Don't we all have an opinion? Why can I voice my opinion about Catholics, Christians, Muslims, Amish and all others but I'm not allowed an opinion about the Jews? This is childish and makes me wonder what they're hiding.

It's refreshing to see that there are people getting tired of the rhetoric that by all rights should be enjoying the benefits of it themselves, just like the others.

This is a deep and touchy subject and I applaud your broaching it.

If we keep hanging on to the wounds of the past, or the certain superiority of our future, we're not getting much use out of today. Good job, Sancho.

reply to post by Sundancer


Well sundancer let me tell you im hiding allot but nothing that would stop me from making fun of myself or my religion. I am a proud Jew and you know on my work computer I do have a picture of Anne frank and under her picture it says ANNE FANK "Hide and seek world champion from 1942-1944 I think its funny it makes me chuckle. Now sometimes ignorant things people say make me upset.
If you do it out of fun and no ill will im all for it but if you do it out of malice or ignorance than I will set you straight. A double standard? Yes, yes it is but I have yet to cry foul on any one im a big boy and I can handle my self these other Jewish people need to grow a pair and get a since of humor imo.

It is important to remember that the Jews are in fact being setup by the Zionists.

The Christian Bible is nothing but a plan and a script to take over the world and install a one world totalitarian government by getting the ‘faithful’ to lay down and go along with it as not just ‘prophecy’ and ‘gospel’ but with the added carrot that this terrible one world government is short lived and opens the door to some wonderful Garden of Eden like Golden Age of peace and prosperity…

About that last part…not! The totalitarian one world government will come but not the peace and prosperity and golden age part.

The Jews are in fact set up in this script and most of them get to die in it.

I would not like being a Jew! Hard to save the pesky little suckers though, because their faith based voodoo and mojo and mumbo jumbo doesn’t believe in the Christian Bible which of course makes sense since the Christian Bible is just a plan to take over the world, but because the Hebrews are stuck with their pagan beliefs too they just see it as false prophecy instead of a remarkably cunning diabolical plan to take over the world.

Jerusalem gets laid to waste and so does all of Israel and it really is no accident they are still publishing the Christian Bible and have hundreds of hundreds of millions of people more hooked on it than phonics!

I honestly kind of feel sorry for the Jews, the Zionists are such scum, but arrogance and thinking one is too clever for their own good gets people all the time.

The Zionists are the problem.

The Roman Empire has never died people, it’s still busy as a bee taking over the entire world and almost has, look at your money, look at your laws, look at your architecture, look at the treaties that establish nations and end wars. Rome is literally written all over everything.

It really is right in your face and it really will go down that way if these kiddies of Abraham, Muslims, Christians, Jews you know who you are, don’t grow up and wise up pretty darn quick.

The Powers that Be and their Zionist henchmen and other assorted brotherhoods of cronies and coconspirators are laughing all the way to the bank as they enslave the entire world to the most hypocritical meaningless and harsh existence imaginable considering the true wealth and technology that actually exists.

Wake up people, you really don’t have to keep fighting each other and dividing and conquering each other on Rome’s behalf.

You’ll be sorry!

reply to post by ashnomadonte

these other Jewish people need to grow a pair and get a since of humor imo

Yep, that's what I'm saying...
I can laugh at the Amish who live in the dark ages. I can make jokes about catholic priests and boys, yet I can say nothing about Jews??? Times are rough, everyone needs to lighten up and laugh, including the Jews.

Flagged and I've Starred all posts thus far

because they've earned it

and because I agree with them


Zionism hides behind 'anti semitism'

Zionism manipulates

it connives

it bullies

it lies

it murders

it steals

it lies

it lies

it lies

and murders

and steals

Zionism is a foul monster, imo

it was conceived as a form of mafia, hiding behind the skirts of a series of orchestrated world events which it put in place in order to profit from them

at the cost of millions of lives

Zionism struts and swaggers

all the time holding the tired old 'anti semitism' threat in front of it like a shield

Zionism is just another 'ism' .. communISM, socialISM, MarxISM, etc.



Anyone with half a brain would oppose it and call it out

so it's natural some jews would do so along with the rest of society



[edit on 2-9-2009 by St Vaast]

reply to post by Sundancer




Couldn't agree with you more


after all, 'jewishness' is FAR from being anything approaching an 'exclusive club', LOL

I couldn't count the number of people I know who are non-practising jews

in fact, they rarely if ever mention it

and they certainly don't bother to mention it to their kids

They just get on with their lives while the fuss and drama passes by


I mean, Christian could JUST as easily crank up a movement whereby it would be verboten to utter any sentiment that might be considered
'anti-Christian'

Mormons could do likewise

and any OTHER 'religion', 'cultural/belief' system

INCLUDING Scientology

right ?


And that might happen sooner rather than later if ....

reply to post by Sundancer


Zionism is controlled by the Illuminati, up the chain, and finally by the Roman Catholic Church.

This group has chosen the Jew to be the crutch to fall upon in regards to shutting others up.

Imho what is happening is not necessarily the fault of any intelligent Person of any religious background, but of Elite being the puppeteers they are.

reply to post by KSPigpen


Agreed When I found this I thought; Right On!!!

reply to post by ashnomadonte


eh eh eh Er, You "Self Hater"

You make absolutely fabulous points. Nothing to add. It's kinda how the World is supposed to be. Take care of Yourself, and help others......something like that.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Proto, You have yet to fail me. You are 1000% correct. The joke is on everyone. The Elite wrote the bible, and their finalli is Armageddon; which is the battle of Jerusalem.

That being said, and that what the Elite wanting I don't know how anyone living in Israel would stay, or ****allow**** this to be carried out in their name.

The battle in Jerusalem will predominantly kill Jews. No way to knock around the bush on that one. It's a sad state of affairs coming. You stated it all rather bluntly, and correctly.


reply to post by Sundancer


eh eh eh, I was an alter boy.........

reply to post by St Vaast


Well said, and thank You.

Your correct Zionism is something which is neither of a Semitic origin, nor ever really cared for any specific race. It is the vehicle the Elite are using to control the masses.



reply to post by St Vaast


I've got to say, Judaism is a religion, but it also comes close to defining a race. That being said, the practicing non Zionist, non practicing atheist, etc are some of the nicest People I've ever come in contact with.

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

I've got to say, Judaism is a religion, but it also comes close to defining a race. That being said, the practicing non Zionist, non practicing atheist, etc are some of the nicest People I've ever come in contact with.

Having been married to two non-observant jews and having numerous more within my ancestry and immediate family, I can say quite honestly that I regard them as neither the nicest nor 'non-nicest'. They're just who they are

Some are complete bastards .. just like any other group

Others are mediocre

A few are great

It's like any other group and like the followers of any other religion

Personally, though not what anyone would call 'religious', I feel religion generally, particularly the no-frills religions like the Baptists, or Church of Scotland, the Presbyterians, standard Anglican .. provide a pretty decent template for living: 'do unto others', for example and 'forgive us as we forgive our trespassers', 'don't steal, don't lie, don't covet, don't bear false witness' .. these have provided a decent set of guidelines for millions, imo. I feel we'd be worse off as a society, had we not been taught these basic guidelines in childhood. So I won't knock religion, because I think it's raised peoples ideals and given them something to hope and strive for

As regards atheism, agnosticism, etc. I've never known anyone who didn't believe in something greater than themselves, when the chips were well and truly down (advanced old age, imminent chance of death, for example)

Imho, zionism is a political idealogy which pretends to favour and work on behalf of jews

The jews I've known have largely gone on with their lives and haven't bought into any of it. They've chosen to keep right away from Israel .. to the point I doubt you could pay them enough to live there.

They attend either Anglican or Roman Catholic churches and they've married people of those religious persuasions and had their children Christened in the same churches. Their children have been raised as gentiles as have their grandchildren.

One branch of the family was in Europe in WW2. They didn't lose a member throughout the entire war and moved to and then spent the rest of the war in Shanghai, where they lived at the International Settlement .. said it was the best time of their lives and that Shanghai was great .. they had servants, went night-clubbing, were still able to buy the latest Paris fashions, etc. You always know .. when you hear the oldies laughing and talking in a certain way .. that they're swapping memories of Shanghai in WW2. After the war they moved to Australia, other members moved to South America, others to the US where they did very nicely for themselves, thank you. Whenever I approached them with sad face dripping with sympathy as regards the holocaust, they've told me they they were never victims and don't know anyone who was. They conclude by telling me, ' Don't believe everything you hear, ok ? '. They won't buy into it or support it

The majority of jewish family-members though have lived in the UK for several generations. Many of them are still there and are substantially involved in the Masonic heirarchy within one of the UK's largest cities. They're lawyers, most of them. Of late (in their middle-age) some of them have taken an interest in their jewish heritage but the rest of us suspect it's a 'social' thing .. for example one of them has a Rabbi in his Facebook page

The rest just get on with life .. go fishing, spend time with kids, grandkids, friends, golf, etc. Just 'ordinary folk'.

As for the bastards .. well, that's what they are. They've ripped most of the family (and everyone else) off nearly all their lives .. always have some shady deal in the works, drink like fish, their kids hate them --- again, every family has a few of those

Got to add that I have never .. not through all the years .. heard any of them try to play the anti-semitic card or even hint at it. Maybe they're just too far out of the jewish loop by this stage. Or maybe they basically think it's a cheap-trick and don't want to add to the stereotype

reply to post by St Vaast

Imho, zionism is a political idealogy which pretends to favour and work on behalf of jews

Absolutely! I do believe that many of the Poster boys for Zionism are just that. They aren't the average person living in the street. That being said, the average Jew is similar to the average US American. Given a little more time of not standing up, and shouting out at the top of their lungs, the World very soon will place a mark on all the Jews, US Americans, and especially the Christian Zionists.

We really are seeing a WW 3, or the finalli between the Elites. I am positive the bunch hiding behind Zionism is, and will loose; positive. That being said, those supporting it will be more, or less marked to the rest of the World that stood up.

Great points, st.vaast

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones



The Christian Zionists I can relate to, in a funny sort of way.

Years ago, I had a real 'thing' for jews too. They appealed to my teenage idealism and support for the underdog. Before that, it was African Americans.

With the jews, it began I suppose with hearing the music, 'Theme for Exodus' I think it was. Followed by all those 'golly, gee' reports of the kibbutzes in Israel, showing happy, healthy young people working the land, harvesting oranges, etc.

At the time, I was completely ignorant of the fact they'd stolen those orange groves from Palestininans and had stolen the Pals homes as well.

Lovely time for me .. waffling on about going to Israel when I was older, blah blah.

Then I went through a phase of reading all the 'holocaust' novels .. Leon Uris was big into it. And I probably fancied myself as a bit of an 'intellectual', carting those brick-sized books around with a mournful look on my face while other kids were reading Archie comics.

The jews have never had a more ardent, idealistic supporter, lol. The African Americans had nothing on the jews, as far as I was concerned. I was a festering little nitwit, always dragging out my holocaust stories and bombarding people with them

Then one of the oldies took me aside and told me to wake up to myself. Told me the jews were far from whiter than white as they (my lecturer) knew only too well.

' Look at the Mafia', the said (as a 'for instance'). 'Everyone thinks the mafia is Italian. That's Hollywood for you. Shame more people weren't aware that the so-called Italian Mafia was in fact mostly jewish-Italian. They make those guys look glamorous in movies and tv. But they were psychopathic killers .. freaks .. subhumans '.

Then I was told (and later confirmed via research) that at one point, 50% of Sicilians were jews .. European jews .. not semites. Then they went underground and adopted the Roman Catholic religion. In fact, I was told, huge swathes of the Italian population had jewish ancestry .. Abruzzi and surrounding regions for example .. huge number of people descended from European jewry .. not semitic .. never had been semitic. They too adopted the Roman Catholic faith. Their descendents have never even known, although lately, in Sicily, there's a campaign to make people aware of their possible jewish heritage and attempts to get them to return to the jewish faith.

Robert de Niro, one of my favourites. And then I learned he was jewish more than he was Italian. Italians hate him, those who realise. They say he's done a disservice to Italians generally, through all the mafia-killer roles he's played.

So these were all things I learned to snap me out of my jewish obession .. my touting jews as the greatest victims of all time. And I was told to give a thought to the millions of Russian Christians. for example, who'd been butchered by jews .. 'where is that in your history books', I was asked (by people who were themselves descended from jews)

So bit by bit, I got over myself. Then I discovered conspiracy forums (stupid term for them really, because such forums are a lot more .. and sometimes less .. than that )

Family members tell me I'm a lot more miserable since becoming involved in 'conspiracy' forums. They laugh. They don't get involved in anything like this. They live their lives and get on with it and have the opinion that all fanatical beliefs and religions get in the way of living.

Christian zionism held a lot of ground in my grandparents and great-grandparents' day. They managed to stick the word 'zion' into just about everything they touched. And of course, there were big attempts back then to convince that the British were 'the lost tribe of Israel'. All hocus pocus and it still goes on. But back then when there wasn't even radio and churches were the power within communities, a lot of people (the Bible was just about their only book) fancied it would be quite nice to be 'the lost tribe' .. it added a bit of glory and distinction to their lives and ideas about themselves.

Ignorance, basically. And have to say, I feel the Christian Zionist movement in the US suffers the same complaint. I've noticed they run like mad from facts, for a start. They just want to peddle what appeals to them and do NOT want to hear anything that might spoil their little fantasy.

But, they'll wake up one day. It's going to hurt them like mad when they learn the deaths and sufferings they actively supported. No wonder they run from the truth. But the truth will catch them, sooner or later

'Jews at the Steering Wheel'

Jews at the helm of ostensibly non-Jewish organizations
(New listing at JTR, ever-growing. This list could go on for miles. It is only a sampling.)

www.jewishtribalreview.org...


Take this situation, for example. Would you say these jews simply form a disproportionate number at the helm of so many US organisations, etc, (especially given the percentage of jews within the US population) ? If so, how do you imagine this situation was contrived ? Or is it simply coincidence ?

Or is it the work of zionism ?