I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve her experience, but what I find quite surprising is that as the wife of the President elect, this story was even released, I can't see many Western leaders allowing their wives (Michelle Obama, Sarah Brown) to report to the MSM that they were abducted by aliens!

And if she was abducted and shown things, maybe it's because she's the wife of a world leader!

I'm very sceptical though

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
I dont know what to make of this but it's strange that John Lear always talks about how Venus is just like earth and theres people living there and we have been lied to about how Venus is a giant ball of lava.

John Leer makes claims though that are absurd and rediculous. On countless times we give him credit and beleive him? Why? He couldnt have less credentials even if it was a sponsored 'have as few credentials as possible' event.

I think she either dreamed, or was abducted, but Venus... it really is clear that the plannet is inhospitible, just like most of the other planets in OUR solar system.

Its mathematically obvious there are many other earth type planets, just not in our neighbourhood.

Jed1

Originally posted by Jed1Knight

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
I dont know what to make of this but it's strange that John Lear always talks about how Venus is just like earth and theres people living there and we have been lied to about how Venus is a giant ball of lava.

John Leer makes claims though that are absurd and rediculous. On countless times we give him credit and beleive him? Why? He couldnt have less credentials even if it was a sponsored 'have as few credentials as possible' event.

I think she either dreamed, or was abducted, but Venus... it really is clear that the plannet is inhospitible, just like most of the other planets in OUR solar system.

Its mathematically obvious there are many other earth type planets, just not in our neighbourhood.

Jed1

Why is it clear that Venus is inhospitable? What proof have you got? Have you been there? Have you got a telescope hidden away at home that can give us google type resolution images of the surface? or are you just going on what you've been brainwashed with at school?

Why is it clear that Venus is inhospitable? What proof have you got? Have you been there? Have you got a telescope hidden away at home that can give us google type resolution images of the surface? or are you just going on what you've been brainwashed with at school?

Proof? What more proof do you need besides the shifting of Earth's own seasons??? Just think about how much temperatures and parcipitation levels are affected by the slight oval nature of the Earth's orbit around the Sun. For those of us who live in temperate areas: the difference between Summer and Winter is often a hundred degrees farenheit! Or more! Now use some common sense and picture how hot Venus MUST be, with it being so much closer to the Sun than the Earth is. Not to mention the fact that is has an ultra-dense atmosphere (though not as dense as some people commenting here), which acts as a greenhouse, trapping in all that excess heat thrown off by the planet itself. Use your heads people. This isn't about NASA lying to us, it's about physics. Earth is lucky in that it lies in a very hospitible zone relative to the Sun. Too close, and it would be much too hot for humans, too far away, and it would be too cold. Now I'm not saying that there might not have been some form of life on either Mars or Venus. But I would say that it's HIGHLY unlikely that humans ever naturally existed on either planet.

Also, what does Japanese cuisine have anything to do with this thread, besides the fact that, like the original subject matter, its Japanese. Where you at Mods???

Originally posted by dwiggen

Why is it clear that Venus is inhospitable? What proof have you got? Have you been there? Have you got a telescope hidden away at home that can give us google type resolution images of the surface? or are you just going on what you've been brainwashed with at school?

Proof? What more proof do you need besides the shifting of Earth's own seasons??? Just think about how much temperatures and parcipitation levels are affected by the slight oval nature of the Earth's orbit around the Sun. For those of us who live in temperate areas: the difference between Summer and Winter is often a hundred degrees farenheit! Or more! Now use some common sense and picture how hot Venus MUST be, with it being so much closer to the Sun than the Earth is. Not to mention the fact that is has an ultra-dense atmosphere (though not as dense as some people commenting here), which acts as a greenhouse, trapping in all that excess heat thrown off by the planet itself. Use your heads people. This isn't about NASA lying to us, it's about physics. Earth is lucky in that it lies in a very hospitible zone relative to the Sun. Too close, and it would be much too hot for humans, too far away, and it would be too cold. Now I'm not saying that there might not have been some form of life on either Mars or Venus. But I would say that it's HIGHLY unlikely that humans ever naturally existed on either planet.

Also, what does Japanese cuisine have anything to do with this thread, besides the fact that, like the original subject matter, its Japanese. Where you at Mods???

Right so the temperature of a planet is ONLY dependant on how far away from the sun it is? Is that what you are saying? Atmospheric conditions have nothing to do with it? or are you just assuming NASA isn't lying to us about the atmosphere?

I'm not sure anyone is saying humans lived on Venus.... aliens could have... and if that is the case what is to say they require the same conditions as we do on Earth to survive?

Lots of proclaimation going on.

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The fact that this woman is the wife of the new Japanese Prime Minister and that this news is appeared on all international newspapers could mean that there will be interesting "NEWS" about this matter from Japan in the next few months…
A JAPAN DISCLOSURE…

Right so the temperature of a planet is ONLY dependant on how far away from the sun it is? Is that what you are saying? Atmospheric conditions have nothing to do with it? or are you just assuming NASA isn't lying to us about the atmosphere?

I'm not sure anyone is saying humans lived on Venus.... aliens could have... and if that is the case what is to say they require the same conditions as we do on Earth to survive?

Lots of proclaimation going on.

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To answer the first question: no. Which is exactly why I mentioned the planet's thick atmosphere playing a role in the temperature as well. Also, it would be logical to think that the farther away a planet is from it's main source of heat, the colder it would be, would make sense, wouldn't it? I don't care how many coats you might be wearing, the farther away you move from a campfire, the more your body temperature will drop.

And the second question: why would NASA have any reason to lie to us about a planet in our own solar system that is so close to us? Any would-be astronomer can buy a decent telescope for a few hundred dollars and look at Venus, or the Moon, or Mars with pretty acurate clarity. Unless they've been manipulating the atmosphere to throw off false visualizations so that the populace won't see what's really there! *GASP*

And lastly: I thought I saw someone mention earlier about the possiblity of humans having lived on Mars or Venus, could be wrong about that though, sorry. You're entitled to your opinion, and I respect it. But I honestly don't believe that NASA is hiding things from us. There are much bigger and badder fish out there that have a lot more to gain from secrecy than NASA.

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Originally posted by aleon1018
No doubt there are far more toxic foods we eat in the US every day that are slowly killing us. I'm actually embarrassed that these people eat at any McDonalds in their own countries. I doubt it's exactly the same.

I've had McDonalds in a few countries (before I new years resolutioned off this past one) and I can say North American is by far the worst... in Japan it was wayyyy better quality with wayyyy better service and wayyy more motivated employees who looked like they enjoyed their jobs. Food portions were smaller though.

And you're right heads of companies do not eat food/use products that they themselves push. Its called capitalism.

ANYWAYS I have no doubt it happened and neither should any of you... its just how you should debate. Whether what we will call 'reality' or just a dream or maybe a vision... who knows... but I have no doubt it happened.

Ok let me be the first to say this...

"and so it begins..."

Seriously..
Japan recently had elections.
For 55 years the right wing party/parties were elected for Government.
Now it is the first time after more than a half century in this country that a left wing government gets elected and the first thing the world has to notice about them is that they have been abducted by aliens?
Most people don't even know Japan recently had elections and the right wing party lost to the left wing one. Now they won't have any chance but to notice since this kind of sensational news will likely circle the globe.

Seriously. Isn't this all a bit weird?

What is the underlying message from all this?
Now this could start a good conspiracy right?

Even far more interesting than a woman's claim that while sleeping her soul was abducted by a craft.. (why does your soul need to be abducted by a vehicle anyway?) and saw trees and butterflies in a planet that we have confirmed beyond a single doubt that indeed is inhospitable and hot as hell, and no life as we know it can exist there?

The abduction here is not the most interesting part of this story. Something else is..
I really hope it isn't something sinister..

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Even if you saw something less weird than Venus being green and triangular craft abducting your soul you would be reluctant to speak about any of this IN THE PRESS, after your husband scored a major victory for his political side and this side was trying desperately for 55 years to win an election.
No, you don't do such things. Something else is going on here.

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Originally posted by reugen

The distinctions of 56-year-old Miyuki Hatoyama do not end there. As well a being a musical actress, cookery writer, clothes maker and television personality, she is also a friend of the actor Tom Cruise, whom she knew in a past life when he was temporarily incarnated as a Japanese. She would be regarded as bit of a fruitcake anywhere in the world — in Japan’s staid political culture, she is unique.

Or... the inmates are running the asylum. LOL!

I would expect just one place would be more suitable with this kind of "disclosure" that was ready since the dawn of history and that would have been India.
This all simply do not make sense.

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Seriously, Japan voters have been so much dissapointed the past years and had to vote these kind of people for Government?


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Her story sounds very plausible because it is a well-established fact that men are from Mars and women are from Venus. So it makes perfect sense that they would take her (or in this case, her soul) there.

Note to the incredibly dense: the above paragraph was riddled with sarcasm.

On a serious note, I put little faith in NASA telling us that Venus is 900°F and inhospitable to life. It is quite possible that the climate is entirely different and that NASA knows about there being a civilization on Venus, and this is just part of their disinformation campaign.

Another theory is that if there is indeed life on Venus and if they are advanced enough to travel to Earth and/or take someones "soul" on a trip to their planet, would it not stand that they could have the technology to shield their planet and make it appear to outsiders as though there is nothing there and that it is 900°?

And my final theory is that Venus may once have had a stable and temperate climate, but that it gradually changed over thousands of years into the Venus we know today. During this time, the people of Venus were able to move underground or construct structures and/or large domes that could protect them from the elements and allow them to survive and flourish.

These are just theories off the top of my head and I know they seem far-fetched. But so does the idea of have your soul abducted and taken to Venus! I see no reason for this woman to lie, especially given all that she (and especially her husband) has to lose. She has nothing to gain by falsely claiming to have been abducted by aliens. So, this either really did happen, or she's just nuts and honestly believes that it happened. Of course the third option is that she had an incredibly realistic dream that may or may not have been brought on by some powerful pharmaceuticals. Whatever actually happened, I believe that this woman genuinely believes she was abducted. I'm just not sure if she actually was.

Originally posted by internos
Thanks for sharing the news: Reuters is a reliable source, but in spite of it i can't believe in what i'm reading.
What some spectacular start for his husband. I stick on my opinion that someone is dropping some VERY strange stuff into the water worldwide, too many strange things are happening: I could be wrong, but facts seem to confirm my though very strange theory.

"It was a very beautiful place and it was really green."

She forgot to say that it was very HOT too: I wonder what would happen to some human being @ 887° Fahrenheit: i have no idea, but i bet that it wouldn't be some nice experience.

well, your assuming you have been too venus.....

if they can take her there......they can sustain life within a vehicle to do so...

Otherwise they would not be there....

also...it's not like civilians ever get to study venus or send probes there so the gov could be lying to us.....