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Originally posted by GenRadek
Hmm lets watch how 1,000lbs of thermite cant even cut a lousy pickup-truck in half:
Originally posted by azzllin
Got to say, did the pick up have thousands of tons of weight bearing down on it as it melted? I don't think just the melting was responsible, all thermite has to do is weaken the steal, the weight would do the rest.
I think that is missed out of a lot of these theories, it does not have to cut all the way through, the heat will do the weakening, the weight would do the rest.
Just an Obvious observation.
Originally posted by billybob
reply to post by GenRadek
yes, they used flower pots at the WTC. it should be obvious the flower shop took down the buildings.
besides being blind, are you a simpleton? they would have used a custom shaped ceramic that would channel the thermite along the beam horizontally, or on a inclined plane.
of course, that assumes that "normal" thermite was used, and ONLY thermite. RDX cuts through steel. nano-thermite is far more powerul than normal thermite. there are probably dozens of choices. the incindiaries and explosives can be custom tailored for the job. you seem to be implying it is impossible to bring down buildings with chemical explosives and powerful incindiaries.
only normal office chemical fires will do that to steel, eh?
another way, would be to set up an elevator maintenance team that actually a dual purpose elevator maintenance/demolition team, and they were actually rigging the building while they kpt the elevators running on time. all the elevator shafts were in close proximity to the core columns. the core columns may even have been directly exposed inside the elevator shafts. and, WHO sees inside an elevator shaft besides elevator maintenance people? as a former tower security guard i can tell you it's NO ONE.
On Sept. 11, ACE Elevator of Palisades Park, N.J., had 80 elevator mechanics inside the World Trade Center.
Following the Port Authority's emergency plan, after the first jet hit the north tower, elevator mechanics from both towers reported to the fire safety desk in the south tower lobby for instructions from police or firefighters. About 60 mechanics had arrived in the south tower lobby and others were in radio contact when the second jet struck that building.
"We were standing there trying to count heads when the second plane hit (the south tower)," said Peter Niederau, ACE Elevator's supervisor of the modernization project. "Parts of the lobby and glass were coming down around us, so we all got out of the lobby as fast as we could."
They left in different directions. Some went through the underground shopping mall. Others went out onto Liberty Street. Had they stayed, they would have been about 30 yards from the two express elevators where firefighters tried unsuccessfully to save people. Another mechanic was in the north tower's 78th floor elevator lobby — where Savas and other people were trapped — when the first jet hit. The mechanic was knocked across the lobby, then evacuated safely, the ACE Elevator supervisors say.
"(We) went out to the street to assess the damage and come back in as needed," says James O'Neill, ACE Elevator's supervisor of maintenance. The plan was to return to the building later in the day to help with rescues. The strategy had worked after the 1993 terrorist bombing, when many of the same mechanics — working for Otis Elevator, which had the contract then — were hailed as heroes.
On Sept. 11, the mechanics left on their own, without instructions from police or fire officials. ACE Elevator supervisors say this was consistent with the emergency plan. All the mechanics survived. "We had a procedure. We had a procedure to follow, and they (the mechanics) followed it," Niederau says.
About 9:45 a.m., from the south tower lobby, Port Authority elevator manager Joseph Amatuccio radioed the ACE Elevator supervisors on their private radio channel. O'Neill recalls him asking: "Can you mobilize to come inside and see what's going on? Because I'm here with the fire department, and they're asking me questions I don't know."
O'Neill radioed John Menville, an ACE Elevator supervisor trained in rescues, and both tried to get back in the building. The supervisors had special ID badges with red stripes that allowed them behind police lines. The badges had been issued after the 1993 bombing.
As Menville approached, the south tower collapsed. Amatuccio and his colleagues were killed. Bobbitt and other firefighters began evacuating the soon-to-collapse north tower.