Financial Collapse summary - confirmed & suspected events.

I'd suggest viewing this www.youtube.com... and then going back to the 1st segment. Try to keep an open mind and also read Mary's book which you can download at her blog spiritualeconomicsnow.net...

One of the oddities of law/legal is that there remains an underlying ethics that an individual can always gain access to. This ethics is obstructed by the power grabbers. Why would an ethics system underly such massive corruption? Yet it seems to be true, the corporations (local, state, national government, international, banks, etc..) still have to deal with law and, now days the UCC commercial code of contract/maritime law is pretty much the order of the day. Yet, if understood correctly, there is an ethics and justice that can be leveraged by the individual.

It is hard at first, to get your head around Mary's comments being anything but fantasy or ridiculous. But, it is hope to see that possibility that despite the deviants, above them, is a possible noble intent. It may be that nobles at the top are reasonably noble and only cope patiently with the thieves.

The audio is a year old but the concept of the crisis seems to be a confrontation between the banker/thieves and the good guys reclaiming the original intent. It seems the crisis continues to be postponed as if the the deviates are trying to keep from getting caught. The "secrets" alluded to by other threads may be this basic theft mentioned by Mary.

Originally posted by pryman
I heard someone say that the war between Russia and Afghanistan is what bankrupted the Russians and eventually caused them to collapse. No one has every been able to go over there and defeat Afghanistan in thoughs mountains.
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This is true. But the caveat in this instance is to fight for the Afghans.

The problem is that self determination is a bit of a foreign concept to most people of the Middle East... at least our flavor of it. As pointed out by Plato, a true Democracy is the most unstable form of Government, and rapidly devolves into a Tyranny through populism and rhetoric. Once in power, the nascent tyrant imposes or changes legislation in order to cement the acquisition of power. (See Plato's Republic) A real world example can be seen in Venezuela and was almost (still might be) found in Honduras. That's one reason that our governement has the electoral process and different powers allocated to different branches of government. Some people would argue that we are devolving to a tyranny anyway... but most disasters are just a collection of minor bad issues that steam roll to a really bad outcome.

Enough of that though...

In Afghanistan, as long as the population sees that we are there for them, there won't be an issue. As soon as they loose that perception, or feel that we are not helping matters any, we are toast. This was one reason that the number of people on the ground was kept small, limited to spec ops and military advisers. These people were subjected to decades of ignorance and virtually no education. Their world view is focused on the immediate and surviving. Ideology doesn't have much to do with it other than that or maybe a better afterlife.

Originally posted by pryman
This person went on to say that if America don't get out of Afghanistan soon, we will face the same fate. Then I hear others say that the war is what's keeping our economy afloat. Right now, thw war in Afghanistan don't seem to be a good idea to me, especially if it's true that every country who went up against them eventyually went bankrupt.

Right now... according to US Debt Clock, military spending is sitting at 536 billion and change. Compare that to the 328.5 billion that we owe in finance charges on the US Debt of 11.97 trillion dollars (including the 2.66 trillion that we added this year alone)

Think about that for a minute. 2.66 trillion dollars just this year alone.

One dollar is 2.61 inches wide, 6.14 long, and 0.0043 inches thick (0.11 mm) Stacked one on top of the other, 2.66 trillion dollars would reach 3/4 of the way to the Moon. (~238,857 miles)

And that is just what has been spent this year.

That full National debt obligation?

11.97 trillion dollar bills stacked would put you at 3.37 times the distance to the Moon. This is about $38,380 per citizen if we were to try and pay it off at once.

Melt down? Just a matter of time.







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You guys need to realize, that all of what's happening is planned. Everything is being orchestrated to the master plan, and there is nothing to be done but watch the USA fall. The PTB want this to happen to bring in the "system". Our money is toast, our system of government is toast, our rights are toast, it's over folks. I'm not being doom and gloom, I'm being a realist.

Events willl have to continue to happen, untill the completition of the "plan". Then, Americans will have the chance to bring real change, whether thru violence(probable) or peacefull means(not likely). Right now, Americans are in a state of financial shock, as they realize their way of life is forever gone, their life savings gone, and they are figuring out that their own government, all of them, have sold them out.

In the near future, the backlash will begin, as people obtain a collective consciousness of anger to their own government, and what these so called representatives have really done to us. But none of this will happen without a fight by the intrenched NWO lackeys to secure their masters wishes. There will be a fight. The starting salvos have been fired. The Socialist, facists, pinko commie sob's who are running the show at present, are not going to give up with out a fight. Peacefull protest will only go so far. the trouble is, the government wants violence. That way, they can use an iron fist to crush opposition. Who ever fires the first shot loses.

You all have a front row seat to the show. You are living history in the making. The same things that happened in the formation of our country , are about to happen again. And as in the first revolution, not everyone wants a piece of the action. Some people are satisfied to be sheeple. But, as in the first revolution, the battle will spread, and people will join the movement, and resistance will increase, and the PTB will get the message whether they want or not. And the misguided attemps by the PTB to categorize protestors as domestic terrorist, isn't going to work . Those out of touch with reality folks in Washington don't get it, and never will. They have ben drinking beltway kool-aid too long, and they like it. But their time is almost over, and they know it. The entrenched demi-gods will not give up easily.

We will see won't we???

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by Ex_MislTech

 

So.....what's the good news?
There has to be a way out of this mess.
Growth?

The way out of the mess has been laid out VERY well by Ron Paul.

Problem is too many ppl want hand outs from the government.

Too many ppl want socialism.

The problem is as one politician in the UK pointed out, at some
time you run out of other ppls money.

Originally posted by ziggy1706
Ive often wondred, wether or not its possible..the war in afghanistana nd in Iraq is what, at least at some level what really keeping our economy alfoat right now. BEfore WWII, obviously, we were in a depression. it was WWII that got us out..production to make $$$. so here we are today in a multi billion world, and how many fronts does our governemnt have going on? 2 or 3 over in the middle east thier? so, my small theory is, as long as our governm,ent wages war, in perticular afghanistan , IRaq for now, the economy wont entirely collapse yet.

We can make another choice.

We can declare war on imported oil, we import over 80% of it.

We can follow the Vertical Hydroponic algae system put forth
by these guys that can make 100,000 gallons per acre per year
in the desert.

Oil from Algae

It also has organic fertilizer as a byproduct.

Exxon has recently sunk $600 million USD into similar tech, so even the
oil giants know there is something to it.

reply to post by dimensionaljumper

I see where you are coming from dimensional jumper, but I think
following a proven failing plan just for the sake of being adaptable
is not enough for me or for those who want a long term
sustainable model that does not have cyclic crashes that put
millions of ppl homeless into the street.

We got states bull dozing brand new homes to try to get
tax values back up.

That is insanity !

Crony capitalism is not working.

As far as I can tell all of the -isms do not work very well mostly
due to corrupt human behavior.

We do not have a chance unless we get true open government.

These closed executive sessions, and pirate financial thieves have
to come to and end.

It can end peaceful or it can end otherwise.

At this point it is looking like otherwise.

I do not plan to die in the coming melee and plan to bug out when
the feces hits the rotary oscillator.

Good Luck to you all !



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I do not want the economic system to collapse.I would obviously like to see it changed,but a gradual process and not a sudden implosion.We in the west have good land and weather for the most part.As long as we have food and shelter people would slowly become settled again and battle on...humans didn't survive so long by not being able to adapt.What i am worried about is a large portion of the worlds population who do not have such things and depend on the scraps we give them(mostly due to our raping and pillaging of said countries) And i don't want them to suffer even more than they already do.I don't hold one nationality or peoples higher than the other.I think it's completely wrong to want such a thing while we bathe in luxury with all the things we need to sustain ourselves if need be while the ramifications of such a collapse would devastate a good portion of the worlds peoples.

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Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
We got states bull dozing brand new homes to try to get
tax values back up.

That is insanity !

Crony capitalism is not working.

Exactly, this debt based system does not maximize efficiency or resources.

Capitalism is simply a surge of growth and a consolidation of power.

The situation for the lower and middle class right now is negative externality of the massive unrestrained growth in power for private interests.

s and f'd


I'm planning on taking all my money out of bank of america. I am also sending this to numerous people, my mother included.

thank you.

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech

Below says US foreign Embassys are being told to horde
1 years worth of non-US currency due to a possible
lengthy banking shutdown.

In the link about US foreign embassies being told to horde non-US currency the article says NOT STERLING.

Are we to assume from that that they are expecting problems with the pound too?

A similar collapse?

Not trying to go off topic but maybe they're about to get te UK into the Euro at the same time as the US financial collapse.

Does anyone know why the US embassies have been told to buy foreign currency but not the POUND???

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


I went to a lot of effort of recording each Time Wave Zero entry for the bank collapses, I'm a little surprised at what I'm seeing.

If anyone is interested please see www.abovetopsecret.com... , I have just finished print screening about 100 TWZ graphs for each bank collapse date.. any opinions are welcome , in either thread. For some reason banks like to crash at what i call 'arcs' or 'peaks' or 'troughs', usually very close, and not inbetween.

Interpreting TWZ is not a simple thing, and you may note not EVERY bank failure date shows a correlation to TWZ I CHING King Weng 'theory of chance', a surprising number show statistical significances, can anyone else see them?

Again, i'm sorry that the pics are external, there was so many, and it would have taken me forever to upload each one seperately.

TWZ for 2009 included, for the rest goto my Bank Wave Zero Thread.:

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Brilliant the way you link all of the factors involved to create this demise of civilization! Star and flag and a thankyou!

Capitalism is simply a surge of growth and a consolidation of power.

The situation for the lower and middle class right now is negative externality of the massive unrestrained growth in power for private interests.

All the different forms of government are capitalistic in nature. The difference is...who owns the capital. Since the goal has always been to consolidate the wealth and power into the hands of a few, capitalism will fall. As will socialism and fascism around the world. They are all just different means to the same end...global control.

Money is simply a tool, a means to power. Once you have all the power, money is no longer needed. Enter RFID chips. You'll be allotted a certain amount of "credits" and if you fail to conform to your role in the NWO, your credits will be erased.

At least that's how I see it playing out. Either way, our currency is toast.

Apprpriate or not, I recently find myself increasingly fascinated by this movie scene, which seems to say so much about how Anglo-American-style hypercapitalism works at the highest level...an old-timey oilman shows the coldness and psychopathy that is still very much alive, I believe, in that industry and several others...

This Years October Surprise?
Is it me or is it already in the tank?
3.bp.blogspot.com...

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I haven't read the entire thread yet (sorry), so I apologize in advance if this has already been said:

I believe the coming backlash, where the people come to some sort of realization of how well and truly they have been screwed, is part of the plan as well.

We heard that Bush "pushed" his Oil Conglomerate Friends into stabilizing the Dollar with a $500 trillion "Generational Buy-back" policy. i.e. His rich friends and the interested parties could buy a "stake" in the dollar to prop up the market (this was October 2008 this occured) and over the course of the next 50 years, the market would be owned "completely, legally & wholly" by the Generations of these men who "bought out" the market back in October 2008.

Of Course, Bush has already "undone" the deal and they are now furious, looking for revenge.

it could all be BS though.

Originally posted by silent thunder
Apprpriate or not, I recently find myself increasingly fascinated by this movie scene, which seems to say so much about how Anglo-American-style hypercapitalism works at the highest level...an old-timey oilman shows the coldness and psychopathy that is still very much alive, I believe, in that industry and several others...

Probably one of the greatest scenes in a movie ever - brilliant.

The truth of a hard working, driven man who despises the free riders of the church - stunning movie, with a subtext beyond reproach - thanks for posting this as I love to see the church portrayed for what it is.

Great.

If we can get through April, I think we can get through the rest of the year. The summer time should be pretty smooth sailing financially, will probably bring a rise to unemployment and other such indices.

lcmgroupe.home.comcast.net...

read this guy.....here's his last ( i think many looking for clues as to what may happen ) will enjoy this alot

www.marketoracle.co.uk...



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