Originally posted by DarknessFollows
Neither does procreation.
No, procreation is what happens when married people of the opposite sex have sex and one, the female, gets pregnant and has child. Agree? Thanks.
As far as I'm concerned, your lecture doesn't proof anything. To me, these are your personal beliefs and I disagree with them. Is disagreement
insulting to you?
No, am I you, for disagreeing?
Well then, I guess I'm insulting you.
Not a chance
Anyway, it's clear we agree to disagree. As far as I'm concerned, relationships ARE about love, and commitment. It's hard work, but it can
Yes, I agree, with this caveat, those kind of relationships that bear children require much more committment and more sacrifice. So to keep these
kind of relationships from falling apart, a construct was created to assist in helping them stay together as best as a society which depends on the
best upbrininging of these children they can offer them as we all know the costs we all pay for kids from broken homes, children of divorce etc.
Divorce is another legal construct originally making it harder for couples to split apart offering such services as counceling through family court
and many times having to decide property rights, child custody etc. Basically Marriage was a neccessary solution which was created around opposite
sex relationships because they were so messy and much more complicated then say two gay lovers ever get when it comes to times they get bad and one
wants to break off from the other.
So to make couples take it more seriously and to make a public committment they would the ceremony for marriage was that construct having nothing to
do with love for that is what they are entering into the contract of marriage. Love isn't about marriage between one man and one woman. But
marriage is about one man and one womans love for each other and that type of relationships complexities.
For gays to argue why they should be kept out of the marriage construct merely because they have sex with someone of same gender, then I would submit
why does marriage have to be a sexual relationship at all? If people are all equal and given all the same rights to everything everyone else has, why
not let best freinds get married? Certainly they could use the bennies it offers isn't that what equal means? I mean what is so damn special about
heterosexuals getting married? Why not ALLOW brothers and sisters under the equal protections argument using the same logic gays have been.
Don't THEY deserve marriage too? Eventually everyone knows anyone couold have it and doesn't even mean the same thing nor does it even protect the
same type of relationship unique to all those others. Once you allow couples who do not qualify for marriage by the very reason marriage was and
always has been traditionally governed and Research on family structure suggests a variety of mechanisms, or processes, through which marriage may
reduce the need for costly social programs. family fragmentation costs U.S. taxpayers at least $112 billion each and every year, or more than $1
trillion each decade.
Public debate on marriage in this country has focused on the “social costs” of increases in divorce and unmarried childbearing. Research suggests
that the social costs are indeed extensive. When parents part, or fail to marry, their children seem to suffer from increased risks of poverty, mental
illness, infant mortality, physical illness, juvenile delinquency and adult criminality, sexual abuse and other forms of family violence, economic
hardship, substance abuse, and educational failure, such as increased risk of dropping out of school.
The traditional relationship with all of its responsibility especially where sex and offspring are concerned, have become a pathetic joke and we see
the resulting effects as the media capitalizes on the seriousness people take with them on Television shows like Jerry Springer and Maury Povich.
We are at a critical crossroads in our society and when you watch the people on these television shows that are with children, it is no wonder America
is in such a mess. Work has begun to fix many of the problems their are with marriage and the LAST thing it needs is an expanded access to
relationships like those same sex couples have. Many of the statistics taken from marriage will then have to be given some kind of marker to know
which are the gay ones and which are the real ones.
I say "real" because it will be those that bear children that anyone really is concerned about. Sorry Gay people but their isn't much you can
bring to that table when it comes to this and is really why you have no business in it in the first place.
[edit on 12-9-2009 by Stylez]