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posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by DarknessFollows


TextWhat an idiotic comparison? No, WRONG, YOU mean what an idiotic interpretation. READ THE POST!

Clearly you and I interprate this in a completely different way.




TextYour argument is then made moot when xtrozero says and i quote" Pedophiles lower the legal age consent laws" This isn't something he condones obviously and as sickened by it as you say you are, MY question would be, then why are so many in the gay lobby trying to do pass this very legislation? Why is NAMBLA members who are ALL gay, attempting to lower age of consent laws so they can have their man boy love.


So now it's the gay guys who are secretly all pedophiles and they are trying to lower the age consent laws so they can screw young kids legally..... that is basically what you're trying to say here, right?
You have some really weird ideas about gays. To me, it seems to be homofobic. I have never heard such nonsense in my life. Maybe it's about time you get laid and loose some hormones.



Yeah, well, Gays are always appalled and surprised when someone finally gives them the facts and of course it is always the excuse for the most elastic of names covering every excuse for their ignorance and selfish behavior, that in the end, is their own damn fault.

That elastic excuse? "Homophobia" do you even know what the hell that word means smart guy?

My getting "laid" as you suggest isn't going to save one little boy from a gay male predator son and YES, it IS Gays trying to lower age of consent laws all over the country. Sorry you find that so hard to believe but I have already posted the headlines and the empirical studies and data and the arrest jackets of such statistics but more than that is the part of the argument you seem to keep missing. That if Marriage becomes an institution based on sexual behavior rather than family potential, economic indicators or how much money Governments must have to spend using statistics for single moms, child supports and many other taxes based on crimes etc get affected by Gays and there self centered selfish desire to intrude where they DO NOT belong. Marriage wasn't designed around such depravity, it is designed around family. Gay Marriages statistically have ruined marriage where it has already been weakened by easy divorce and a sexual revolution where with Gays, that is ALL they seem to think about PERIOD.

Even when AIDS was wiping them off the face of the earth in places like San Francisco and Boston, what did they do? They begged and pleaded for money which we gave them and what do we get or it? We get that they haven't learned a damn thing from it and now they want to infect marriage with their brand of sexual ideology and KILL that TOO! Leave marriage alone because everything gays touch affects EVERYONE!

If that sounds like "Hate" to you, after Gays have totally screwed things up for population statistics, having their MRSA infectious sex spill over into heterosexual peoples lives, their complicated divorces where artificially inseminated lesbians create one of the worst nightmares in legal terms in history, where the meaning of marriage conjures up the same images people use when something is idiotic they will be saying marriage is gay too. It happens everytime they have tried to legislate attitudes about their "special" brand of who they think they are and they think they are sexual primadonnas we must be forced into embracing them their diseases their mrsa their legal entanglements their disgusting parades and their Godless worldview.

When everyone gets that after they have destroyed marriage, hating them is something they will wish, is all people did.

Statistics show that in the last 3-5 years, hate indicators for gays are commensurate with their states battles for same sex marriage meaning the more they push it, the more people hate em where Blacks on the other hand were winning over whites because basically everyone knew they had a righteous argument. Gays don't have an argument period without changing the meanings of words to fit their agenda. Besides that, all people have to do is a little research into their lifestyles and it doesn't take long to figure it out. That **** ain't right dude. It is messed up







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posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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Yeah, well, Gays are always appalled and surprised when someone finally gives them the facts and of course it is always the excuse for the most elastic of names covering every excuse for their ignorance and selfish behavior, that in the end, is their own damn fault. That elastic excuse? "Homophobia" do you even know what the hell that word means smart guy?

Maybe, but I'm no gay and I'm also no guy. I'm just a 'decent straight woman'. I damn well know what the word homophobia means and you have it tattood across your forehead.
I think it doesn't matter at all what gays do as far as you're concerned, because you have condemned them already and by reading your post I get the feeling they are guilty of practically everything. Such crap that marriage should be solely based on family values, you mean procreation by your standard! Marriage is about love, relations are about love. Equal love, where two people freely and willingly share their love with each other. There is nothing more beautiful and sincere than that. Who are you to judge?


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posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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welll the acceptance of gay marriage inhibits my religion and there fore must not be allowed unless you "the united states of america" give me refuge somewhere where their is no gay marriage. for truely that would be fair.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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welll the acceptance of gay marriage inhibits my religion and there fore must not be allowed unless you "the united states of america" give me refuge somewhere where their is no gay marriage. for truely that would be fair.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by make.changes
welll the acceptance of gay marriage inhibits my religion and there fore must not be allowed unless you "the united states of america" give me refuge somewhere where their is no gay marriage. for truely that would be fair.


No one is forcing you to accept gays into your home. No one is denying you your rights.

However - this country belongs to EVERY citizen - - and EVERY citizen deserves the same Equal Rights.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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well the unacceptance of gay marriage inhibits my religion and there fore must be allowed unless you "the united states of america" give me refuge somewhere where their is no legalized bigotry. for truely that would be fair.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 02:28 PM
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He could always move to Iran. According to their president they have no gays there.

*waves*

Hi Jaxon.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

No one is forcing you to accept gays into your home. No one is denying you your rights.

However - this country belongs to EVERY citizen - - and EVERY citizen deserves the same Equal Rights.



Oh you don't think gays impose on straight heterosexual couples every time I watch television and wasn't expecting it?

Whether YOU think it is progressive and modern and all those other words to describe how "normal" it is using monkeys in the wild in a circle jerk makes it no more a valid a reason to think it is normal in a civilized society as any other primal urge to do something without thinking of its moral implications.

Murder and assault, theft and many other behaviors have been observed in those same animal groups and I think it might still be within your capacity to reason why they are not seen as reasonable an excuse to commit those acts based on that same logic and assumption.




However - this country belongs to EVERY citizen - - and EVERY citizen deserves the same Equal Rights.


Oh Gawd! Gimme a break anne, Do 14 and 15 year olds have the same rights as everyone else? To drive? To Drink? To get married?

The ONLY rights guaranteed in the constitution and Bill of rights ironically are those YOU have fought to take from them and have been one of the most vocal proponents of it.

You have fought to take the right to life away from every human being, every person that young in their lives and have used their being still in the womb as your excuse they are not people yet. Hey have patience, they will want out of there just like you did when YOU had YOUR chance to live through it.


They will never know the pursuit of happiness because you have voted to take that right away from them and is a product of the every deteriorating morals of society and the destruction of marriage by making marriage easier to have where counseling once was mandatory before it could be approved it was done away with which brings us to the resulting easy divorce from free sex and free love the woman’s feminist movement all seen as "progressive and modern with religious leaders predicting the negative results it would mean for society and guess what? They were right. When liberals argued for rights to co-habitat and that marriage was just a silly piece of paper, we finally gave in and have teen pregnancy and STD’s as a result that can be directly attributed to that break down of our moral society.

The fact is it happened through out history their are always exceptions to the rule but when we remove the rules that keep idiotic ideas of modernists out, the civilized machine breaks down and when the machine breaks down WE break down. Rather than admit the church may have been onto something, what did progressives and liberals want to do?

Abortion on demand.

Yeah, that was real smart. Their isn't an argument I have seen you in, on that topic, where you have made a reasonable case logical, to kill a baby. NOT ONE. But it’s ok to let everyone do anything they want because we are all equal. NO ANNE we are all equal UNDER THE LAW!

The law says gays can't marry because gays don't want to live up to the kind of relationship that has spawned marriage to begin with, not because they are gay. Marriage isn't about everyone and every type of love. Funny, what used to be "just a piece of paper" is now a battle ground and those that say to straights their are more important things to defend, YOU better WAKE UP because their is NOTHING more important than this issue right now if you want a lasting economy and a surviving society, NOTHING has brought that about but the by product of ONE type of human relationship. Marriage wasn't spawned out of the right to have sex but because it is a juggernaut of economic indicators and a powerful source of national defense and tweaking it to satisfy the needs of selfish gays who at one time insulted the papers it was written on, NOW think they have a "RIGHT" to be part n parcel to a unique kind of relationship only opposite genders having sex provide.

A resource that when regulated properly can control population, tax bases costs for child care and crime statistics. Muddying up the waters having to ask was partner A or B the female? It becomes an insurance nightmare. An actuarial study nightmare. A divorce case nightmare. A census predictor’s nightmare.

Men and woman having children without the religious and Governmental efforts to put a harness on the costs and moral implications to keep fathers and mothers supporting the children they create made Marriage, the necessary answer to the survival of any society throughout history. It was NOT the your unique type of love that made marriage a worthy institution protected by both religion and Government in fact, Marriage was one of the few things Government and Religion could agree needed to be given defined protections and specific rights those other types of loving relationships all benefit from but never contribute to.

I might remind you that their isn't one gay person alive here that wasn't a product of the love of two of the opposite sex that isn't now a member of that same society they are working so hard to destroy if they include the unproductive fruitless relationships of homosexuals taking from it making it cost more in benefits stolen from it without the tax base being created to support it. They simply do not qualify for it is THAT simple and their not being equal is THEIR choice NOT ours.

They can be married too but they really have no reason to be if they think it is just about love and sex. Marriage is happens to be used in more statistics and more studies where the distinctions for genders and the needs of others are gauged by the accuracy and success of those marriages. The more we make a laughing stock of marriage and religion by getting those two American institutions to capitulate to the selfish needs of society the more society suffers. NOTHING has given more strength to any and all civilized societies, economically and militarily as that one kind of relationship. You know the one Anne, which made you possible.

Let’s try to keep what IS possible, from falling to the depths of depravity that has poisoned every civilized society from Greece to Rome the same status for what isn't possible. Giving the status of marriage to types of relationships where NOTHING is possible but death and disease. If you haven't looked at the statistics lately for American lifestyles between married heterosexual relationships and Gays, you would know.


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posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 04:51 PM
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I find you and your - "it's all about me and MY KIND" - tunnel vision ridiculous.

Please - just do not even address me.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Annee
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I find you and your - "it's all about me and MY KIND" - tunnel vision ridiculous.

Please - just do not even address me.



Sorry anne, that you can't take hearing the truth but telling me not to respond to your hypocrisy might not get the exposure it truly deserves.

If you can back up anything you have said with facts and statistics as I have and they are overwhelming to give creedence to your side of the argument, I won't have a reason to respond. Until you, Jaxon Roberts Oneclick can come up with a better debate then to mock religion and talk about rights of people for everyone when you are a proponent of taking the lives of the same people you don't think deserves them and has the unmitigated audacity to tell me I am all about me and my way? HA HA HA

Sorry anne, put me on ignore if you like but ill still respond to the posts that make a this an equal rights issue, when clearly it is not.

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posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Stylez

Originally posted by Annee
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I find you and your - "it's all about me and MY KIND" - tunnel vision ridiculous.

Please - just do not even address me.



Soory anne that you can't take hearing the truth but telling me not to respond to your hypocrisy might not get the exposure it truly deserves. I you can back up anything you have said with facts and statistics as I have and they are overwhelming to give creedence to your side of the argument, I won't have a reason to respond. Until you, Jaxon Roberts Oneclick can come up with a better debate then to mock religion and talk about rights of people for everyone when you are a proponent of taking the lives of the same people you don't think deserves them and has the unmitigated audacity to tell me I am all about me and my way? HA HA HA

Sorry anne, put me on ignore if you like but ill still respond to the posts that make a this an equal rights issue, when clearly it is not.


Are you "deaf". Here's your one way tunnel vision mirror.

TRUTH? HA HA HA HA

HYPOCRISY? HA HA HA HA

You are just a blast of grandiloquence and useless blah blah.

Ignore? Gladly.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 05:41 PM
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Nice Sermon... But like all sermons, I fell asleep almost immediately... But I'm sure you made some valid points... like you always do... to those on the bizzaro world...



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 05:43 PM
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This is a matter of law, not a matter of morals.

I refer you to the 14 Amendment to the US Constitution



Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


This is an excerpt, and the emphasis is mine.

This is not that tough to understand. If a state has a legal institution called marriage, then all citizens of that state must be granted equal protection under law to engage in that legal institution called marriage.

And before anybody brings it up, animals and cars cannot engage in any legal contract.

So if it creeps somebody out to think about gay people being married, that's pretty much too bad. Think about something else.

All this various jibber-jabber about pedophilia and bestiality and incest and whatever are just attempts at distraction. For any horror story about "some gay" trying to molest a kid, there is at least one about "some het" doing the same thing.

To equate these kinds of behavior to the state of being gay is disingenuous at best.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Stylez

Originally posted by Annee
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I find you and your - "it's all about me and MY KIND" - tunnel vision ridiculous.

Please - just do not even address me.



Soory anne that you can't take hearing the truth but telling me not to respond to your hypocrisy might not get the exposure it truly deserves. I you can back up anything you have said with facts and statistics as I have and they are overwhelming to give creedence to your side of the argument, I won't have a reason to respond. Until you, Jaxon Roberts Oneclick can come up with a better debate then to mock religion and talk about rights of people for everyone when you are a proponent of taking the lives of the same people you don't think deserves them and has the unmitigated audacity to tell me I am all about me and my way? HA HA HA

Sorry anne, put me on ignore if you like but ill still respond to the posts that make a this an equal rights issue, when clearly it is not.


Are you "deaf". Here's your one way tunnel vision mirror.

TRUTH? HA HA HA HA

HYPOCRISY? HA HA HA HA

You are just a blast of grandiloquence and useless blah blah.

Ignore? Gladly.


Borrowing oneclicks tactic, if I missed a comma or made a typo the entire post gets missed. It might make a good excuse to tip toe out of the debate, but don't think for a second, others don't see the real reason for backing out or putting me on ignore. I haven't got personal as YOU have calling me ridiculous or Jaxon Roberts calling me an idiot. Ive made an issue of a lifestyle a sexual behavior that has been rife with controversy and rightly so. One where their own members have admitted it is so.

What you call "My way" happens to be the same way the American experiment even got off the ground AND is the accepted method of maintaining a strong econimic civilized society by its majority who benefit from it.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 05:50 PM
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I might remind you that their isn't one gay person alive here that wasn't a product of the love of two of the opposite sex that isn't now a member of that same society they are working so hard to destroy if they include the unproductive fruitless relationships of homosexuals taking from it making it cost more in benefits stolen from it without the tax base being created to support it. They simply do not quailfy for it it is THAT simple and their not being equal is THEIR choice NOT ours.


Don’t be more ridiculous than is necessary. Taxes.
Heterosexual couples-
One male + 1 female get married have 3 kids = 1 set of taxes if only the male works-
So only ONE set of taxes and 5 people for society to support. 5 sets of needs and use of resources for ONE payment - minus all the tax breaks for each child and for being married.
If both work it is still 2 sets of taxes for 5 uses of resources - minus all the tax breaks for each child and for being married.

Homosexual couples-
One male + 1 male or
One female + 1 female = TWO sets of full taxes paid and no tax breaks for kids or for being married.
So TWO sets of taxes for only 2 people for society to support.
So who actually contributes MORE in taxes and more in comparison to the use of resources?
This also applies to single gays and single heterosexuals and for couples with no children. So who is actually paying for your children but gays, single people and married people with no kids.

So as all these groups are unproductive scum in your eyes, and useless as they don’t reproduce (oh, the height of human achievement…lmao)…maybe the best thing would be to institute repayments for these groups, for all the taxes they have had to pay above and beyond what married people with kids have to pay. Recompense all these groups for the benefits they did not receive for being childless.
Pay it all back and we can all go party for a year or so, while you snarl and gnash your teeth.
You have kids…you pay for them then if you are going to ostracise people from your oh so perfect society. Take them out of the equation then and repay everyone.

Don’t bother going into the argument about how society needs kids and what a sacrifice it is. I bet the majority of births are accidents, wanted or not, rather than an act of ‘love,’ an act of lust more usually. And again, if you do not want gays to be equal in society don't ask for them to pay for your institutions and your kids.
I do not even believe in ‘marriage’ but I support the right of gay people to have equality in taxes and legality. The reason I do not believe in marriage for gay people is why bother to attempt to copy a completely dysfunctional institution that came into existence for control, either by government or religions…so that people can be accounted for, taxed to hell, identified and totally controlled. Obviously you relish control as you relish controlling. I don’t see many marriages that are wondrous sanctified unions. Usually they consist of the male droning on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on, while the woman wishes to God she could escape. Ask your wife if you have one…lol



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic

This is not that tough to understand. If a state has a legal institution called marriage, then all citizens of that state must be granted equal protection under law to engage in that legal institution called marriage.

And before anybody brings it up, animals and cars cannot engage in any legal contract.



Thank you.

I think its understood by anyone of intelligence and maturity - we are only discussing consenting adults.

Those who bring "other" equations into the discussion - - do so - - because they have no legitimate argument for realistic debate of equal rights by law.



posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by oneclickaway
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I might remind you that their isn't one gay person alive here that wasn't a product of the love of two of the opposite sex that isn't now a member of that same society they are working so hard to destroy if they include the unproductive fruitless relationships of homosexuals taking from it making it cost more in benefits stolen from it without the tax base being created to support it. They simply do not quailfy for it it is THAT simple and their not being equal is THEIR choice NOT ours.


Don’t be more ridiculous than is necessary. Taxes.
Heterosexual couples-
One male + 1 female get married have 3 kids = 1 set of taxes if only the male works-
So only ONE set of taxes and 5 people for society to support. 5 sets of needs and use of resources for ONE payment - minus all the tax breaks for each child and for being married.
If both work it is still 2 sets of taxes for 5 uses of resources - minus all the tax breaks for each child and for being married.

Homosexual couples-
One male + 1 male or
One female + 1 female = TWO sets of full taxes paid and no tax breaks for kids or for being married.
So TWO sets of taxes for only 2 people for society to support.
So who actually contributes MORE in taxes and more in comparison to the use of resources?
This also applies to single gays and single heterosexuals and for couples with no children. So who is actually paying for your children but gays, single people and married people with no kids.



sorry one click but I can't understand a word of that

just doesn't make any sense does it? I know it makes no sense for gays to marry under this idea, can YOU share with us what the real reasons are then?



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posted on Sep, 11 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
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Nice Sermon... But like all sermons, I fell asleep almost immediately... But I'm sure you made some valid points... like you always do... to those on the bizzaro world...


You call my world the "Bizzaro world" Jaxon Roberts ? Would you like me to post up some arrest jackets or perhaps some wholesome photos from gay pride parades that prove gays are the same in every state?

Ill be more than happy to if you like but I'm thinking you got more sense than to have me embarrass you in that way and will let the bizaro comment be considered by its source without having to prove just how bizaar things actually get in your gay world.

Oh and your welcome



posted on Sep, 12 2009 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by DarknessFollows
Maybe, but I'm no gay and I'm also no guy. I'm just a 'decent straight woman'. I damn well know what the word homophobia means and you have it tattood across your forehead.


After getting dinged for proving the 14th amendment isn't about equal rights for all and having no idea why, seeing that I have been more insulted on a personal level by all of you, makes me want to ask you what makes you say something like that?

I looked in the mirror and nope no tatoo there but I think you already knew that. So then what WOULD be the reason for saying such a thing?

I can only think of one and since I have been here facing numerous Gays in a passionate debate I think I have shown, they don't scare me so it must be that you are tryint to insult me?

I may ask the same thing of Jaxon Roberts why he felt it necessary to call me an idiot or annee who said I was ridiculous. NOT my post but ME personally. Several others all gay have made similar personal comments and I have never alerted for them. I took the time to block out the obscene parts of photos and even used a screen shot for the youtube video because posting the pride gays have on a video here would have surely got me in hot water. Very difficult indeed to find something that isn't xxx rated they do in public that can be repeated here making it very hard to prove the morality argument given me.

The post I have that sticker on was the most courteous post I had made. I am guessing perhaps one of the photo images depicting gays morality in gay pride parades may have had something to do with it. I guess it isn't something gays should be very proud of.



I think it doesn't matter at all what gays do as far as you're concerned, because you have condemned them


Nothing and Ill say it again, NOTHING I have said, about them I have not corroborated with facts and statistics and I haven't condemned them without their more than generous help.

If they are guilty of all I have proven and if that convicts them, that isn't my fault, If you haven't noticed they haven't given much of a rebuttal other than to make un-neccessary post just to call me names and alert mods for what I have no idea. I should BE so insulted if we were to compare posts.



by reading your post I get the feeling they are guilty of practically everything.


No, just what they are responsible for, It isn't my fault I can prove what I have proven or that it looks so bad for their case but that is what Gays are about in those instances and in those parades where you'll have to imagine what they do in those because Ill get a TC vio just telling you or showing pics of it. That alone should give ya some idea how bad it is to be so proud to be gay.

Ill say this much, if that is what makes them so proud??

I don't get it.




Such crap that marriage should be solely based on family values, you mean procreation by your standard!


By MY standard? Male seed in a females egg? Is their any other kind?

Their has always been gay sex, lesbian sex and their has always been relationships between them just as their was for heterosexuals. The problem is, ONE of those relationships was resulting in Babies. Lots of them. Something had to be done about all the woman who were trying to raise children when men didn't have the legal obligation to help. Something had to be done so when population levels of young men to defend that society were too low, their had to be incentives for getting men to have sex with woman and make a committment to raising them without them feeling like they were being held back. So celebratiing this type of issue was an idea being part of the problem was also a part of a solution to get records and statistics on those couples engaged in committed opposite sex relationships for their unique ability to bring fourth the young men and woman that would further the population and make soldiers for defense and a pride in giving them a special status for the sacrifices all those other relationships don't have as an encumbrence.

Hence the concept of marriage was born.



Marriage is about love, relations are about love. Equal love, There is nothing more beautiful and sincere than that.


Marriage is about a lot more than love and I think I have made a better case of that than gays have proving it is anything. Being beautiful and sincere does not a marriage make.




relations are about love.


Relations are about love? umm no they are not, SOME are but most are not.




where two people freely and willingly share their love with each other.


I have nothing against that other than in keeping with the responsibility that goes along with it. but other than that, no one is stopping anyone from that




Who are you to judge?


Who are you?





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