people come on, its a vaccine, not a tax, they cannot force you to take it. they still havent forced the world to take the other vaccines, your required too, but with all other things theres loopholes and stipulations around it.

Just like guns, our freewill can always been found.

when Sebellius first appeared on the list of people that went to the Bilderberger conference with Obama, i put money on her being a surprise nomination for VP... which i clearly lost... and i couldn't get my head round her 'only' being Health Scretary.... until Swine Flu first appeared... then it all fit nicely into place

S & F
Amazingly Clear & should help a lot of people understand..
At least those who wish to know..
It is pretty sad that some ppl still believe that these vaccines help !

Some countries have not ordered a single shot of the Vaccine.. Dunno if the governments have some "inside" info about this & they don't wanto kill their citizens, or they are plain uninformed, lazy & waiting for something to happen first !

Nonetheless, who stands to gain ??

My friend this is much more than the government "doing something" to help us, so much more. Thankyou for your lengthy and very accurate observation based on truth. The magnitude of what will become a hold new reality will NOT be benevolent in the least but will destroy much of humanity. Especially those who refuse to become sheeple. The blind have no hope. Sheeples are in as much danger as we who refuse to fall in line.

Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
Maybe this revenue will help pay for this ludicrous health care system he is putting forth!

Give me swine flu or give me death! Screw the vaccine.

How was health care paid for before insurance companies?

Who pays for the uninsured sick now?

If the sick that can not afford health care are denied care what do you think will happen?

Think the threat of swine flu is scary?

Think about poor people with TB going about without health care. Think about the poor without health care going about with hepatitis, MRSA, VRE, leprosy, mono, shingles; just to name a few.

Your short sightness and your selfishness not only blinds you but it dooms you to death in their wake.

disclaimer: "You" in the general sense.

For those of you who are only looking at the here and now of it I found this rather disturbing article a few days ago. I can post it in full if enough people would like to see more of it:

Forced vaccinations, quarantine camps, health care interrogations and mandatory “decontaminations”

Mike Adams, Natural News, August 28, 2009
The United States of America is devolving into medical fascism and Massachusetts is leading the way with the passage of a new bill, the “Pandemic Response Bill” 2028, reportedly just passed by the MA state Senate and now awaiting approval in the House. This bill suspends virtually all Constitutional rights of Massachusetts citizens and forces anyone “suspected” of being infected to submit to interrogations, “decontaminations” and vaccines.

It’s also sets fines up to $1,000 per day for anyone who refuses to submit to quarantines, vaccinations, decontamination efforts or to follow any other verbal order by virtually any state-licensed law enforcement or medical personnel. You can read the text yourself here: www.mass.gov/legis/bills/sen

...Here’s some of the language contained in the bill:
$1,000 / day in fines

Any person who knowingly violates an order, as to which noncompliance poses a serious danger to public health as determined by the commissioner or the local public health authority, shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than 30 days or a fine of not more than one thousand dollars per day that the violation continues, or both.

Forced vaccinations

Furthermore, when the commissioner or a local public health authority within its jurisdiction determines that either or both of the following measures are necessary to prevent a serious danger to the public health the commissioner or local public health authority may exercise the following authority: (1) to vaccinate or provide precautionary prophylaxis to individuals as protection against communicable disease…

Forced quarantine for those who refuse (illegal imprisonment without charge)

An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health, as determined by the commissioner, or a local public health authority operating within its jurisdiction.

Arrest for refusal to be “decontaminated”

If an individual is unable or unwilling to submit to decontamination or procedures necessary for diagnosis, the decontamination or diagnosis procedures may proceed only pursuant to an order of the superior court… During the time necessary to obtain such court order, such individual may be isolated or quarantined pursuant to section 96 of chapter 111 if his or her refusal to submit to decontamination or diagnosis procedures poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health.


There is much more to it then just that, it's kinda lengthy, but a worthy read. Like I said, I'll post the whole thing up if people would like to see it in full. I only pulled out the part pertaining directly to the vaccination and how they plan to force it.

Sorry to have to drop the bomb on y'all...

Your numbers are way off. According to the CDC ~36,000 people die from the flu each year. The regular flu vaccine has a success rate of 44% and the rate of severe side effects is 0.00001%. Fuzzy math indeed.

There is no "death reduction rate" you can only measure the effectiveness of the vaccine in people who take it and don't get sick. Assuming a "death reduction rate" of anything isn't real math, it's just conjecture. So your equation should look more like this out of a group of 200,000 people assuming EVERYONE in this group is exposed to the flu with a 100% infection rate.

(200,000*0.44)=x 200,000-x
88,000 number of people that the vaccine would work on
112,000 number of people who still get sick

(200,000*0.44)(0.00001)=y 200,000-y
0.88 people who have a severe reaction to the vaccine
199999.12 people who take the vaccine and don't experience any life threatening complications from the vaccine itself.

You really can't say how may people a vaccine will keep from dying, the numbers don't exist anywhere since lots of people die from other conditions while having the flu or from complications of the flu. If they're sick with the flu and got the vaccine then they're in the 56% majority who still get sick after getting vaccinated. That's really all you can measure, the factors that go into weather a person lives or dies are too complex to boil it down to a percentage point and call it a death reduction rate.

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wow
how many time do you need to rehash the same old stories.
if anyone on ATS doesnt know aobut the swine flu and the swine flu vaccination at this point i would volunteer to take the shot.
find new stories pls. this is OLD.

Originally posted by Red Dawn 09
Free flu shots for the unemployed

As this article was about to go to press, I couldn’t help but notice a new announcement by CVS and Walgreens pharmacies. The powers that be are so desperate to get all Americans injected with this experimental vaccine that CVS and Walgreens are now offering free swine flu vaccine injections to anyone who doesn’t have a job!

That’s right: Just show up, prove you’re unemployed, and you get jabbed at no charge. (Who said losing your job didn’t have some benefits, huh?) Conspiracy theorists might suggest this is a clever way to clear the streets of “useless eaters.” Just lure the jobless into some experimental vaccine program, inject them and send them on their way. Next, will retailers start handing out free Soylent Green too?

Great job OP!!! S&F, very well thought out post.

That closing argument, more specifically the last sentence was a priceless jab at the people who have been benefiting at our expense (our health in the Case of the Soylent Green). The revenue that has been made thus far with the flu and will be made this upcoming fall is sickening.

Even worse is that the OP is only showing the Net Revenue that Big Pharma will make in the United States. Baxter's big pockets are going to get even bigger once they begin shipping out their vaccines especially since they have no fears of losing money in settlement cases because of legal recourse immunity.

Although I have been looking at this from a point of view assuming sinister motives of population eradication via these vaccines, I won't rule out the possibility that this is another Wolf in Sheep's clothing tactic of federal bailouts disguised as something else. We just saw it with Cash for Clunkers. That 'Green Friendly' move put a lot of money into the pockets of the Automakers.

Disturbing thing is that Big Pharma isn't hurting for cash right now (one of the things that leads me more toward the sinister).

Regardless, thank you OP for pulling all your data together and sharing with us your research!


-Sliadon

Will the injection leave a mark?

Revelation 13:17 "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."