Obama's Website: Disagree With Health Care, You're a "Domestic Terrorist"

reply to post by Helmkat


It was retracted when it hit the news last night.

Plausible Deniability

Plausible deniability refers to the denial of blame in loose and informal chains of command where upper rungs quarantine the blame to the lower rungs. In the case that illegal or otherwise disreputable and unpopular activities become public, high-ranking officials may deny any awareness of such act or any connection to the agents used to carry out such act. (Of course, career intelligence officers are not plausibly deniable, although outside intelligence agents may be.)

In politics and espionage, deniability refers to the ability of a "powerful player" or actor to avoid "blowback" by secretly arranging for an action to be taken on their behalf by a third party—ostensibly unconnected with the major player. In political campaigns, plausible deniability enables candidates to stay "clean" and denounce advertisements that use unethical approaches or innuendo based on opposition research.

Nearly all Politicians use this methodology. It allows them to strike a blow against their perceived enemy using offensive tactics without taking the blame for their actions.

Obama spent his life as a professional activist mastering these exact techniques. He has a whole list of groups he was associated with throughout his life he can rely on to carry his messages that are too extreme for him to have his name attached too. He is an expert at this.

reply to post by Mindpeace


First you say,

“White America is on the cusp of losing what it has enjoyed since day one...being reflective of representing the "majority" and the feelings of superiority which accompanies it.”


Then you say,

"Only when Individuals cease defining themselves as a color or race will unity of our magnificent nation be finally realized and true progress for all will be made."

I don’t know anything about any “white America” and I have not encountered any who have, “feelings of superiority”

What I have encountered is quite a lot of airheads who want to turn everything into a racial topic then pretend they have visions of unity.



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reply to post by Blaine91555


Thanks, Blaine91555

You did a better job of explaining the situation than I did.

reply to post by ashnomadonte



LOL, I keep forgetting all kinds of rules today so Thumbs up on the caps


I agree 100% on making the office look bad though. Where is the quality control I ask you!!!!

Its all become such a minefield, that I just want to do a three stooges group slap to all parties involved and shout "Cut the poop!".

reply to post by Blaine91555



Understood, clearly this is in a polticians toolbox. However in this case I would have to wonder if Obama was the astute player many claim him to be. Who would he be striking a blow against here? Those in his own party that are using such inflammitory language? Because I would doubt this incident would have any penetration on the other side of the debate. To me this looks to much like a bungle as it hurts more then helps Obama's arguments (imho).


[edit on 2-9-2009 by Helmkat]

First you say,

“White America is on the cusp of losing what it has enjoyed since day one...being reflective of representing the "majority" and the feelings of superiority which accompanies it.”


Then you say,

Only when Individuals cease defining themselves as a color or race will unity of our magnificent nation be finally realized and true progress for all will be made.

I don’t know anything about any “white America” and I have not encountered any who have, “feelings of superiority”

What I have encountered is quite a lot of airheads who want to turn everything into a racial topic then pretend they have visions of unity.

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Hello Useless Eaters,

If you had read the reply to this original post, you would probably have taken note that the blogger responded by (I assume reflexively) referring to President Obama as a "mulatto"...a term which unless applied to mules, is both vulgar and offensive. In other words, his/her reply provided a sad example of exactly my point. And that point is simply that bigotry and hatred is NOT genetically imprinted on anyone...it is a learned behavior, and this type of interaction with others is, ultimately, an Individual choice.

Self-righteousness, being derived from a "superior"/right or wrong mindset, comes to mind here as well, most especially when coupled with religious fervor although political discourse also seems to have that "right or wrong"/self-righteous edge to it - and the application of this chosen interaction is actually quite self-reinforcing.

As you probably know, racial division and slavery is at the very core of this country's foundation. Slave labor for the cotton and tobacco fields (there weren't too many black slave owners of which I'm aware except, of course, those African tribal leaders who sold prisoners and their families to the slave traders) as well as black slaves actually being used for barter...all this and much more providing a rather large portion of the economic system of those times. And those feelings of superiority spawned by generations of slave ownership actually, and tragically, morphed for many into BELIEFS of same. It is clearly there for all to see within dynamics such as discriminatory lending practices, to hear in ethnic stereotype rants and day to day racial friction. For me, this premise is at the very heart of this "discussion" concerning Healthcare reform.

That you have, to this point, not encountered anyone with feelings of superiority or you don't know anything about "White America", I envy you.

Thanks for your thoughts Useless Eaters.

Good luck.

Mindpeace


"It's better to light a candle...than to curse the darkness".
Adlai Stevenson





[edit on 2-9-2009 by Mindpeace]

Whew! Thank goodness. I failed to read the "right wing" part and thought that anyone who disagreed with "Obamacare" was considered a domestic terrorist.

But, thankfully, I'm a liberal and I don't want it so I guess I'm not a terrorist. I was really worried the gov't would come after me if the found out about it, especially since I believe in gun-ownership, disagree with affirmative action, and supported the tea-parties. But, since I'm a liberal, I'm safe. It specifically says "Right-wing domestic terrorist". I'm sure they would have included "left-wing" if they considered liberals who disagree with the bill domestic terrorists.

Right?

my name is weneedto know

because we need to know

i think obama is a fine god fearing person... thats just my personal opinion

reply to post by Helmkat


He has to turn the tide of public opinion before Congress returns from break or his Health Care Plan might be DOA. I expect we will see much more of this.

It is politics as usual however. Its all part of the game as it exists in DC.

To see peoples true view you have to go back to what they were saying before they took office. In this case Obama made it very clear he wants single payer and is willing to take many years to accomplish it. The more he gets in whatever they end up passing now, the faster it can be turned and twisted into what he really wants. He suggested 15 years in one taped speech and I'll bet he would like to have it before he leaves office.

Since the majority view now is clearly people want reform but not single payer, I don't think he will be able to get that part of what he wants.

His avoiding the topic of Tort Reform is not helping him. It makes him look like a stooge for the Attorneys who are getting obscenely rich off of others suffering and all these frivolous law suits that are driving the costs up health care through the roof. If he truly wants reform, why is he not openely for Tort Reform?

Holy crap this is getting old. Grow up. I remember when Bush was president, certain groups on the left were labeled domestic terrorists, and all the Bush fans agreed and were posting all kinds of supporting statements and links to back up that label. Now, the door has swung back around and hit you guys square in the @sses. You can dish it out but can't take it, apparently. Who really cares what the "left" calls you anyway? There was never meant to be any agreement, or cooperation between either corrupt "wing", and as long as you keep playing along with this childish back and forth, name calling BS, they have you right where they want you. They'll keep trading power back and forth, they'll keep passing laws that benefit their rich friends while shaking you guys up like bugs in a jar, watching you fight amongst yourselves having NO idea that you're being controlled.

As a Massachusetts resident, this scares the hell out of me:

By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


A "pandemic response bill" currently making its way through the Massachusetts state legislature would allow authorities to forcefully quarantine citizens in the event of a health emergency, compel health providers to vaccinate citizens, authorize forceful entry into private dwellings and destruction of citizen property and impose fines on citizens for noncompliance.

If citizens refuse to comply with isolation or quarantine orders in the event of a health emergency, they may be imprisoned for up to 30 days and fined $1,000 per day that the violation continues.

Massachusetts' pandemic response bill

"Pandemic Response Bill" 2028 was passed by the Massachusetts state Senate on April 28 and is now awaiting approval in the House.

As stated in the bill, upon declaration by the governor that an emergency exists that is considered detrimental to public health or upon declaration of a state of emergency, a local public health authority, with approval of the commissioner, may exercise the following authorities (emphasis added):

to require the owner or occupier of premises to permit entry into and investigation of the premises;
to close, direct, and compel the evacuation of, or to decontaminate or cause to be decontaminated any building or facility, and to allow the reopening of the building or facility when the danger has ended;
to decontaminate or cause to be decontaminated, or to destroy any material;
to restrict or prohibit assemblages of persons;
to require a health care facility to provide services or the use of its facility, or to transfer the management and supervision of the health care facility to the department or to a local public health authority;
to control ingress to and egress from any stricken or threatened public area, and the movement of persons and materials within the area;
to adopt and enforce measures to provide for the safe disposal of infectious waste and human remains, provided that religious, cultural, family, and individual beliefs of the deceased person shall be followed to the extent possible when disposing of human remains, whenever that may be done without endangering the public health;
to procure, take immediate possession from any source, store, or distribute any anti-toxins, serums, vaccines, immunizing agents, antibiotics, and other pharmaceutical agents or medical supplies located within the commonwealth as may be necessary to respond to the emergency;
to require in-state health care providers to assist in the performance of vaccination, treatment, examination, or testing of any individual as a condition of licensure, authorization, or the ability to continue to function as a health care provider in the commonwealth;
to waive the commonwealth's licensing requirements for health care professionals with a valid license from another state in the United States or whose professional training would otherwise qualify them for an appropriate professional license in the commonwealth;
to allow for the dispensing of controlled substance by appropriate personnel consistent with federal statutes as necessary for the prevention or treatment of illness;
to authorize the chief medical examiner to appoint and prescribe the duties of such emergency assistant medical examiners as may be required for the proper performance of the duties of office;
to collect specimens and perform tests on any animal, living or deceased;
to exercise authority under sections 95 and 96 of chapter 111;
to care for any emerging mental health or crisis counseling needs that individuals may exhibit, with the consent of the individuals
State and local agencies responding to the public health emergency would be required to exercise their powers over transportation routes, communication devices, carriers, public utilities, fuels, food, clothing and shelter, according to the legislation.

This scares the HELL out of me...continued:

Local public health authorities will be required to keep records of reports containing the name and location of all people who have been reported, their disease, injury, or health condition and the name of the person reporting the case. In addition, citizens may be subject to "involuntary transportation."

Line 341 of the bill states, "Law enforcement authorities, upon order of the commissioner or his agent or at the request of a local public health authority pursuant to such order, shall assist emergency medical technicians or other appropriate medical personnel in the involuntary transportation of such person to the tuberculosis treatment center. No law enforcement authority or medical personnel shall be held criminally or civilly liable as a result of an act or omission carried out in good faith in reliance on said order."

Vaccinate or isolate

Whenever the commissioner or a public-health authority decides it is necessary to prevent a serious danger to the public health, they are authorized:

(1) to vaccinate or provide precautionary prophylaxis (preventative procedure) to individuals as protection against communicable disease and to prevent the spread of communicable or possible communicable disease, provided that any vaccine to be administered must not be such as is reasonably likely to lead to serious harm to the affected individual; and
(2) to treat individuals exposed to or infected with disease, provided that treatment must not be such as is reasonably likely to lead to serious harm to the affected individual. An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or quarantined … if his or her refusal poses a serious danger to public health or results in uncertainty whether he or she has been exposed to or is infected with a disease or condition that poses a serious danger to public health, as determined by the commissioner, or a local public health authority operating within its jurisdiction. (emphasis added)

Under such circumstances, authorities are also allowed to decontaminate individuals and perform physical examinations, tests and specimen collection to determine whether "an individual presents a risk to public health." If a citizen refuses, he or she may be isolated, quarantined and/or detained "for as long as may be reasonably necessary," the bill states.

Law enforcement authorities are authorized to "arrest without warrant any person whom the officer has probable cause to believe has violated an order for isolation or quarantine and shall use reasonable diligence to enforce such order. Any person who knowingly violates an order for isolation or quarantine shall be punished by imprisonment of not more than 30 days and may be subject to a civil fine of not more than $1,000 per day that the violation continues." (emphasis added)

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Other state quarantine orders


Iowa's Facility Quarantine Order

As WND reported, a blank document from the Iowa Department of Public Health has been discovered online, designed to be filled in with the name of an H1N1 virus victim who is required to relocate from his or her home to a quarantine facility.

The form, which began appearing Aug 31 in e-mails and on the Internet, has concerned a confused public already swimming in conflicting reports about the severity of the swine flu and intrusive government measures that many fear may be taken if the disease becomes a pandemic.

The Iowa document, which WND confirmed with state officials is authentic, has done little to calm the public's fears.

Scares the Hell out of me...#3

The Iowa document, which WND confirmed with state officials is authentic, has done little to calm the public's fears.

"The Iowa Department of Public Health has determined that you have had contact with a person with Novel Influenza A H1N1," the form reads. "The Department has determined that it is necessary to quarantine your movement to a specific facility to prevent further spread of this disease.

"The Department has determined that quarantine in your home and other less restrictive alternatives are not acceptable," the document continues, before listing mandatory provisions of compliance with relocation to a quarantine facility.

According to the CDC, the following states have implemented legal actions in response to the H1N1 virus:

Florida – the Florida surgeon general suspended distribution permit requirements Florida statutes to allow wholesale distribution of Tamiflu and Relenza. The state has also distributed a series of blank quarantine order forms, including a voluntary home quarantine agreement, a quarantine to residence order, a quarantine to residence order (non-compliance), a quarantine to facility order, quarantine detention order, quarantine of facility order, building quarantine closure order and area quarantine closure order.

Iowa – In addition to the facility quarantine order listed above, Iowa has also made available forms for voluntary home confinement, home quarantine and home isolation.

Massachusetts – Massachusetts lists its own procedures for isolation and quarantine.

North Carolina – The North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services released a draft isolation order that would provide for imprisonment for up to two years and pretrial detention without bail for any citizen who fails to comply with an isolation order.

Washington – Washington grants authority to local health officers to issue emergency detention orders causing citizens to be immediately and involuntarily isolated or quarantined for up to 10 days.

In addition, governors and health commissioners in the following states have declared a state of emergency since April following concerns about the H1N1 virus: California, Florida, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New York, Ohio, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin.

Next step: Mandatory swine flu vaccines?


H1N1 (photo: CDC)


According to the White House, "Since the novel 2009-H1N1 flu virus emerged in the United States during the third week of April, the president has received regular briefings and asked his Cabinet to spare no effort in addressing this national security challenge."

The White House also lists as a priority, "Preparing for a voluntary, but strongly recommended, H1N1 flu shot program to be available to all Americans that wish to participate over a period of time."

Barbara Loe Fischer, president of the National Vaccine Information Center, referenced the controversial Massachusetts bill in her commentary, "Swine flu vaccine: Will we have a choice?"

Fischer said, "Public health doctors have persuaded legislators to pass pandemic influenza legislation that will allow state officials to enter homes and businesses without the consent of occupants, to investigate and quarantine individuals without their consent, to require licensed health-care providers to give citizens vaccines and to ban the free assembly of citizens in the state."

She said World Health Organization doctors "immediately went into high gear" within days of identifying the new swine flu virus emerging out of Mexico and declared a public-health emergency. Now, Fischer says, the CDC is taking the opportunity to exercise unprecedented power.

"Whenever the CDC now declares a public-health emergency, that declaration allows the Food and Drug Administration to permit emergency-use authorization for drug companies to fast-track creation of experimental drugs and vaccines that do not have to be tested a

Sorry this is so long, but what it describes and proposes should OUTRAGE every AMERICAN...proposals to severely restrict constitutional rights, freedom of assembly, the 4th amendment, this government is going way too far, way too fast!!!

"The Department has determined that quarantine in your home and other less restrictive alternatives are not acceptable," the document continues, before listing mandatory provisions of compliance with relocation to a quarantine facility.

According to the CDC, the following states have implemented legal actions in response to the H1N1 virus:

Florida – the Florida surgeon general suspended distribution permit requirements Florida statutes to allow wholesale distribution of Tamiflu and Relenza. The state has also distributed a series of blank quarantine order forms, including a voluntary home quarantine agreement, a quarantine to residence order, a quarantine to residence order (non-compliance), a quarantine to facility order, quarantine detention order, quarantine of facility order, building quarantine closure order and area quarantine closure order.

Iowa – In addition to the facility quarantine order listed above, Iowa has also made available forms for voluntary home confinement, home quarantine and home isolation.

Massachusetts – Massachusetts lists its own procedures for isolation and quarantine.

North Carolina – The North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services released a draft isolation order that would provide for imprisonment for up to two years and pretrial detention without bail for any citizen who fails to comply with an isolation order.

Washington – Washington grants authority to local health officers to issue emergency detention orders causing citizens to be immediately and involuntarily isolated or quarantined for up to 10 days.

In addition, governors and health commissioners in the following states have declared a state of emergency since April following concerns about the H1N1 virus: California, Florida, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New York, Ohio, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin.

Next step: Mandatory swine flu vaccines?


H1N1 (photo: CDC)


According to the White House, "Since the novel 2009-H1N1 flu virus emerged in the United States during the third week of April, the president has received regular briefings and asked his Cabinet to spare no effort in addressing this national security challenge."

The White House also lists as a priority, "Preparing for a voluntary, but strongly recommended, H1N1 flu shot program to be available to all Americans that wish to participate over a period of time."

Barbara Loe Fischer, president of the National Vaccine Information Center, referenced the controversial Massachusetts bill in her commentary, "Swine flu vaccine: Will we have a choice?"

Fischer said, "Public health doctors have persuaded legislators to pass pandemic influenza legislation that will allow state officials to enter homes and businesses without the consent of occupants, to investigate and quarantine individuals without their consent, to require licensed health-care providers to give citizens vaccines and to ban the free assembly of citizens in the state."

She said World Health Organization doctors "immediately went into high gear" within days of identifying the new swine flu virus emerging out of Mexico and declared a public-health emergency. Now, Fischer says, the CDC is taking the opportunity to exercise unprecedented power.

"Whenever the CDC now declares a public-health emergency, that declaration allows the Food and Drug Administration to permit emergency-use authorization for drug companies to fast-track creation of experimental drugs and vaccines that do not have to be tested as thoroughly as vaccines that go through the normal FDA-licensing process.

Please read this and express your concerns to your elected officials!!!!

"In this case, Congress responded to the public health emergency declaration by giving a group of drug companies $1 billion to fast-track experimental swine flu vaccines that may include whole, live or killed, or genetically engineered human and animal viruses, chemicals and potentially reactive oil-based adjuvants that manipulate the immune system to boost the vaccine's potency. People who already have sensitive immune systems, such as those with allergy and autoimmune disorders, may be at special risk."

Furthermore, Fischer said 80 percent of all flu-like illness in a normal flu season is not caused by type A and B strains of influenza contained in annual flu shots.

While Fischer argues that citizens should be given the opportunity to voluntarily submit to flu vaccinations, she said, "Vaccine-acquired immunity is temporary while immunity gained after recovering from influenza is longer lasting."

She said people born before 1957 may be naturally protected and at lower risk of being infected because they have long-lasting antibodies working against the virus and helping them resist infection.

"Will health officials allow our children and grandchildren to get the same kind of natural, longer-lasting protective antibodies to type A and B influenza, including the new swine flu?" she asked. "It looks like few choices will be allowed."

Cure more deadly than disease?

Although White House science advisers have warned that up to 90,000 Americans might die from H1N1 during the coming flu season, the head of the CDC responded by telling the public to ignore such a high mortality estimate, saying the current H1N1 couldn't kill that many people without mutating.

Use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 resulted in 25 people suffering from severe paralysis and dying from respiratory failure after being injected with the vaccine – more than the number of lives claimed from the virus itself.

Additionally, the vaccine is said to contain thimerosal, a preservative ingredient composed of mercury that has been linked to autism in young children.

The FDA states, "Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine."

Thimerosal has also been linked to Guillain-Barre syndrome, or GBS – a serious disorder that occurs when the body's immune system mistakenly attacks the nervous system and may result in death.

In 1976, health officials found nearly 500 cases of GBS, and the vaccine was withdrawn 10 weeks after the link with GBS was suspected. Following the 1976 vaccination against swine flu in the U.S., a retrospective study found a likely eight-fold increase in the incidence of GBS.

Now that the nation is preparing for another round of H1N1 flu shots, the Oregonian reported that the federal government is urging neurologists to keep a close watch for new cases of GBS.

In a study conducted at the University of Hong Kong, the British Medical Journal reported that less than half of 8,500 doctors and nurses in public hospitals will accept vaccination against the swine flu – even following increases in the World Health Organization's pandemic alert level.

The study revealed, "The major barriers identified were fear of side effects and doubts about efficacy."

According to the following report by Russia Today, investigative journalist Wayne Madsen revealed that even scientists who helped develop a vaccine for small pox are saying they will not take the vaccine and urging friends and family to refrain from taking the injection as well:

reply to post by ROGUESPEAR3


You may want to throw an external tag on all that before you get in trouble, although this thread isnt about the swine flu vaccine anyway.

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How will you be treated if you refuse to take the H1N1 vaccine? Or disobey anything proposed by these legislative follies? Again, being from Massachusetts, I think it's time to start getting prepared so when they come to my house and try to forcefully enter, without a warrant, because they're searching for swine flu...and there is even the proposal to allow confiscation and destruction of any personal property, to include dwellings, that are deemed contaminated...this cannot be allowed to pass!!!

Nonetheless, federal authorities are preparing to launch a nationwide campaign to convince Americans to get the swine flu vaccine, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. Government officials have expressed concern that public demand for immunization will not be high enough.

"Many parents (in focus groups) expressed a lot of concerns about 2009 H1N1 vaccine. Those concerns were centered around the fact that it was new and it was being developed quickly," said Kris Sheedy, a communications director with the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. "There were comments such as 'this is new and I don't want my child to be a guinea pig.'"

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, the government will spend "about $16 million on outreach to convince people of the need to get the swine flu vaccine."

As WND reported, alarmist language over possible outbreaks of swine flu as well as a series of moves by the federal government are fueling fears federal agents will soon be forcing citizens to be vaccinated – prompting the Constitution Party to launch a pre-emptive defense against any such effort.

Fischer warned that Americans must become educated about vaccination, influenza, vaccine risks and public health laws in their states.

"Every pharmaceutical drug, including vaccines, carries a risk. And those risks are greater for some than others," she said. "In this time of fear, we can't let that fear take away our freedom to make voluntary health decisions. The human right to informed consent to medical risk taking gives citizens the power to make sure that the cure is not more dangerous than the disease."

Remember Nancy Reagan???JUST SAY NO!!!!!!

thank you for your perseverence in reading this article...

reply to post by arcnaver


So call names all you want and he can do that same thats the right to free speach quit whinning!

Originally posted by 27jd
Holy crap this is getting old. Grow up. I remember when Bush was president, certain groups on the left were labeled domestic terrorists, and all the Bush fans agreed and were posting all kinds of supporting statements and links to back up that label. Now, the door has swung back around and hit you guys square in the @sses. You can dish it out but can't take it, apparently. Who really cares what the "left" calls you anyway? There was never meant to be any agreement, or cooperation between either corrupt "wing", and as long as you keep playing along with this childish back and forth, name calling BS, they have you right where they want you. They'll keep trading power back and forth, they'll keep passing laws that benefit their rich friends while shaking you guys up like bugs in a jar, watching you fight amongst yourselves having NO idea that you're being controlled.

You guys constantly lob this charge, yet NEVER post anything to back it up. I don't ever remember the government or media labeling anti-bush protesters "domestic terrorists" or" "racists". Please, show us all what you're talking about.

reply to post by ROGUESPEAR3


You need to get on the phone to your Representatives and the Governor, pull out a pen and paper and send them your feeling in writing.

They should set specific criteria under which something like that could be implemented. Only at time of a true emergency should anything like that be considered. They should however punish anyone who knowingly spreads a deadly disease. That much makes sense. Mandatory anything does not though.