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Originally posted by spacebot
We have to research this like an architect and a engineer would in order to draft digital mock ups then use them then to test possible theories of how the ruins came to rest in their present state to find out what kind of forces could have destroyed these constructions.
Originally posted by Extralien
I was considerably surprised to discover that there are no forests, not even clumps of trees. It did not take me long to find out why there are no trees. The entire region is so high above sea level that trees just do not grow. It is all mostly grasslands.
The triangular marking here reminds me of many of the lines in Nazca;
These may help us to understand the immense culture and civilisation that once lived here so long ago.
My point is that Pumapunku could very well be the answer to many of the other sites on Earth. It could prove to be the origin of the Pyramids in Egypt, the answer to our lost history..to the fact that we were once a vast culture that was spread around the globe that collapsed for some reason.
Either that or we were visited by beings from other planets who helped us, or we built all this and left Earth to venture to the stars for safety due to some event that destroyed the vast majority of the history we are missing.
We are not alone, we have been here before and we will continue to be until we decide otherwise.
Originally posted by Extralien
Either that or we were visited by beings from other planets who helped us, or we built all this and left Earth to venture to the stars for safety due to some event that destroyed the vast majority of the history we are missing.
We are not alone, we have been here before and we will continue to be until we decide otherwise.
They stubbornly ignore and rejects for instance other important historical information that clearly showing that there were indeed in history other earlier cultures who had pretty advanced technologies themselves or where in contact with extraterrestrials.
Originally posted by Hanslune
Howdy Spacevisitor, long time no read
Originally posted by Hanslune
They stubbornly ignore and rejects for instance other important historical information that clearly showing that there were indeed in history other earlier cultures who had pretty advanced technologies themselves or where in contact with extraterrestrials.
Hans: That is your interpretation, science doesn't accept what you find valid because the concensus is that the evidence is either invalid or misinterpreted.
Originally posted by Hanslune
From an Archaeological point of view there is nothing to point to spacemen - just smart humans
In assembling the walls of Pumapunku, each stone was finely cut to interlock with the surrounding stones and the blocks fit together like a puzzle, forming load-bearing joints without the use of mortar. One common engineering technique involves cutting the top of the lower stone at a certain angle, and placing another stone on top of it which was cut at the same angle.
The precision with which these angles have been utilized to create flush joints is indicative of a highly sophisticated knowledge of stone-cutting and a thorough understanding of descriptive geometry.
Many of the joints are so precise that not even a razor blade will fit between the stones. Much of the masonry is characterized by accurately cut rectilinear blocks of such uniformity that they could be interchanged for one another while maintaining a level surface and even joints.
The blocks were so precisely cut as to suggest the possibility of prefabrication and mass production, technologies far in advance of the Tiwanaku’s Incan successors hundreds of years later
Due to the monumental proportions of the stones, the method by which they were transported to Pumapunku has been a topic of interest since the temple's discovery. The stones are believed to have been transported up a steep incline from a quarry near Lake Titicaca roughly 20 miles away. Some of the blocks are said to weigh in the range of 100–130 tons.
One notable block has been measured at 36 feet long, 16 feet wide and 6 feet thick.[5] Archaeologists believe that this was accomplished by the large labor force of ancient Tiwanaku. Several theories have been proposed as to how this labor force transported the stones although these theories remain speculative. Two of the more common proposals involve the use of llama skin ropes and the use of ramps and inclined planes.
Right, and that is precisely their Achilles heel, because how on Earth can those archaeological scientists even today completely ignore the momentarily “Great Pyramid” like pile of evidence for an Extraterrestrial presence right now here on Earth and therefore logically also in our history.
Then about the following below, do you know what kind of tools and methods where used for that according the archaeological scientists ?
Just as also happened with the building of the Pyramids in Egypt right, isn’t that a strange coincidence?
Then another example of monumental proportions of the stones and the method by which they were transported via a steep incline from a quarry near Lake Titicaca roughly 20 miles away.
Do the archaeological scientists really believe that those stones where transported the use of llama skin ropes and the use of ramps and inclined planes?
Can you understand my problem here?
Originally posted by Hanslune
Originally posted by spacevisitor
Then about the following below, do you know what kind of tools and methods where used for that according the archaeological scientists ?
Just as also happened with the building of the Pyramids in Egypt right, isn’t that a strange coincidence?
Hans: PP was built several thousand years later, so it isn’t much of coincidence. People who live in places without large amount of wood tended to go to stone and mud brick for construction – they did so because they didn’t know how to make fired clay brick or good concrete.
Originally posted by Hanslune
By the time PP was being constructed the Egyptians had stopped their own method of stone construction and adopted the Roman method which used concrete and using stone as a fascade.
Originally posted by Hanslune
Originally posted by spacevisitor
Then another example of monumental proportions of the stones and the method by which they were transported via a steep incline from a quarry near Lake Titicaca roughly 20 miles away.
Hans: They are rather small compared to what other cultures moved. Although your incredulous dismissal is noted it really doesn’t overlay the fact that men can move heavy objects. They also make GREAT stone masons.
Originally posted by Hanslune
Originally posted by spacevisitor
Do the archaeological scientists really believe that those stones were transported the use of llama skin ropes and the use of ramps and inclined planes?
Hans: Yes, your alternative is? Aliens or spacemen who just happen to be masons and into inefficient stone work? Seriously, why would they do that (I'm allowed that comment as you used one argument from incredulity)
Originally posted by Skyfloating
The "Ancient Astronaut Theory" (AAT), also called the "Paleocontact Theory" by scientists such as Carl Sagan say that earth has been visited by ETs and/or technologically superior humans in very ancient times and that these events have been recorded as encounters with "Gods", "Flying Chariots", "Wars of Worlds" in ancient mythologies, legends and religions.
Originally posted by Hanslune
Hans: Space, you are looking for hard evidence of aliens, having none you are trying to push masonry as evidence.
Originally posted by Hanslune
I would recommend a thorough search of the subject, especially the archaeological and engineering journals of the 1920-1940 where I believe this was looked at extensively.
Hans, you forgot to answer my question about what kind of tools and methods where used for building PP according the archaeological scientists?
Then regarding your posted remarks here, I assume/hope you don’t compare those unique building techniques with some stone and mud brick construction’s from people who didn’t know how to make fired clay brick or good concrete is it?
And another thing, what you said there is nothing more than an assumption right?
I meant with that strange coincidence the fact that, first there is a period were on so many places around the world, may I say, pretty advanced building techniques where used, and suddenly, no matter where they were used, the building stopped, and all that knowledge disappeared completely without any traces left, isn’t that very strange indeed?
Precisely as it happened during the building sequence of the pyramids, as if they first where capable of building something like this
You are right, but I find the provided/claimed evidence by the so called scholars for how and with what tools those GREAT stone masons of where we speak where build, wafer-thin and absolutely not convincing.
My alternative is, as Skyfloating describe it so clear in his thread “Ancient Extraterrestrials”