Thirteen Goals of a Witch

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

You are the one saying people like this are special. I have yet to meet anyone born into this as you say that takes the time to try and figure out what is going on call themselves special or be egotistical about it.

I to believe everyone has to some extent the abilities people call psychic. Like with everything else some are naturals and some have to work at it. Not every football player ends up on a pro football team. Not everyone wants to play football either.

Also remember not every member of a family has the same gifts. The gifts vary many times. I've yet to meet anyone that has every psychic gift there is. Perhaps people focus to much on the more popular gifts and unknowingly by pass their true one.

Some of these families don't encourage gifts either they try to supress them in their kids.

Just think if its something as simple as a gene that makes the difference in how developed a psychic gift is and we could fix that gene so everyone was as developed this world might be a better place. We would know everything people were thinking, going to do, have done, move things with our minds..there would be no secrets no lies we would have to learn to be better people on the inside. Because everyone would know who and what we really are.

There is no difference between a witch performing a spell/ritual and a priest performing a prayer. A witch's spell or ritual is basically a worshiper communing with a higher god. Isn't that what a christian does when they pray?

reply to post by napayshni57


I most certainly did not say that. What I did say is that I think this is an ability we all have and those that want to put it along hereditary lines is rather like those that like to trace their linage back to kings when really most likely if you dig far enough back into any family tree you are likely to find royalty of some sort. Calling it hereditary is calling yourself special. You have something others do not. Thus, special. Though not coming out and saying it such.

[edit on 3-9-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

reply to post by KarlG


Gotta say GREAT - you are a white witch.

You want the good of the earth.

And the good of the people.

If you are looking for a few ideas about life, here are few that might be worth looking at.

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

reply to post by borrowedname


Those are some harsh rules. I'm not of a mind to destroy anyone, despite the urge to do so. There have been many ignorant dopes who thought they had the right to interfere with my life who, by their own works, destroyed themselves. Knowing that what you put out comes back to you is helpful in clearing your own unnecessary, harmful desires for retribution. All that is required is patience and this knowledge.

Because I've seen so many hateful people end up with incurable diseases or life destroying events happening to them, I'm satisfied that my anger and sense of revenge is unnecessary and harmful only to me. It takes great amounts of self-discipline to not hate and plot for revenge when other people make your life miserable. But, it is best to not involve yourself in it. Just live your life according to your own values and be patient.

reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic


Come on, people. Christians do not kill, but Christianity has killed, and continues to do so, many people are killed in the name of Jesus and Allah every day in Iraq. And don't kid yourself. I have had Christian people cross the street to tell me I am going to Hell, and others who quoted Bible to me at every opportunity. I had one man who called himself a Christian tell me if it were up to him, he would "burn me at the stake." People are fickle, and they tend to believe what others tell them. A Minister's words are taken above reproach, even though preachers often "fall from Grace," as they put it. Very few Christians have read the entire Holy Bible, and have done the research on the word origins, and the mythologies woven in, the multiple Gods and Goddesses and the many direct contradictions. The Word of God is actually the Word of Man.

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


There are many illnesses that run in families also. Does that make families that struggle with heart problems, mental disorders or high blood pressure special?

Yet everyone one of us can have these same things yet not as prone to them as certain families.

Not everyone that is from families that seem to have more ability than others looks at these abilities as gifts that are blessings. Some look at them like curses. When you look back on history I would think they have the same right to look at them like a curse. Even today when at this moment in time they aren't hunted down they still find these abilities may present them problems so their lives aren't as normal as other peoples. Some even do end up in mental institutions. That doesn't even take in to account what these abilities do to a persons personal relationships.

IMO anyone that would think it means that these people are special either are to lazy to work on their own abilities or they are just envious of these people without knowing all the facts and want a reason to dislike anything they feel might not include them in it.

Also IMO anyone that was born with these abilities that thinks they are special hasn't set down and taken a look at their life and seen where these abilities have actually hampered their lives in the most important ways.

Just like someone that does spells or someone that prays (since they are both basically the same thing) They find out that their prayers are answered or that their spells work. They can have everything material they dream of but can they have whats important in life knowing its real and something they haven't created themselves?

By the way besides the people where an increased ability seems to run in families there is also another group. People that have had severe illnesses to the point of possible death and recover that seem to come out of that with a greatly increased ability.

Which would tell me that there is something we haven't figured out that flips that switch to increase a persons ablitities. That is why I pointed out genetics in my last post.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Can I ask some questions?

Yes, you may.

When were you introduced to the craft?

At an early age. Teenager.

Do you think it is possible to learn from a book?

Yes, it is possible to learn from books, but not from one book alone. My advice it read and study for one year and one day. The books you need to read will come to you, and if you need a teacher, one will come to you. The knowledge is not secret anymore, Wiccans/Witches have written many books. Here is the thing about Pagans in general.....
they are all different! They are not like the "covens" of religious people you see every Sunday, all dressed up alike and doing the same! Even my son, whom I myself taught the Craft, is way different from me. Wicca is not a "religion." It is Freedom from Religion.
Love is the only Real Religion.

I believe one is born into it.

I cannot say, really. My Great Gramdmother was a Gypsy from Egypt, and she practised Magick. There were stories told in my family about her. My mother was scared to death of anything not Christian, and was fundamental to the bone. I don't think I was "born into it," what I do think it I "came onto it" instead.

Add To List:

#14 - Prove to myself I can, beyond a shadow of a doubt, perform magic as a witch.

#15 - If I can't prove I can do magic - let my fingers do the walking in the yellow pages so I can find a good psychiatrist to help me stop the delusional bs.




[edit on 3-9-2009 by silo13]

reply to post by borrowedname


I do like your number 11. I do agree with the majority of what you wrote but 11 it is so me lol.

I don't need to prove anything to anybody.
If someone wants to see if something works, they can test it themselves.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will.

Crowley's one rule works for me.

Interesting list but what surprises me is the low level for eating right and exercise correctly. The physical side of the body has to be nourished as much as the mental body - they go hand in hand.

A fit person on a healthy diet makes many better/wise decisions than a drunk.

Originally posted by templar knight
Interesting list but what surprises me is the low level for eating right and exercise correctly. The physical side of the body has to be nourished as much as the mental body - they go hand in hand.

A fit person on a healthy diet makes many better/wise decisions than a drunk.

Numbers 10 and 11 cover your concerns I think.

You are right too, taking care of the vessel is of utmost importance in achieving the remaining 11 goals.

reply to post by napayshni57


Um, are you paying attention to what am I saying or are you just too caught up in an urge to be contrarian to me? Here is the definition to special I highlighted the definition I was refering to:

Main Entry: 1spe·cial
Pronunciation: \ˈspe-shəl\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French or Latin; Anglo-French especial, from Latin specialis individual, particular, from species species
Date: 13th century
1 : distinguished by some unusual quality; especially : being in some way superior
2 : held in particular esteem
3 a : readily distinguishable from others of the same category : unique b : of, relating to, or constituting a species : specific
4 : being other than the usual : additional, extra
5 : designed for a particular purpose or occasion

— spe·cial·ness noun

synonyms special, especial, specific, particular, individual mean of or relating to one thing or class. special stresses having a quality, character, identity, or use of its own . especial may add implications of preeminence or preference . specific implies a quality or character distinguishing a kind or a species . particular stresses the distinctness of something as an individual . individual implies unequivocal reference to one of a class or group .

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I would classify the ability to do what we do as "special" if it was hereditary.
As for the rest, I am unclear, are you arguing for against it being hereditary as you make comments that go both ways? My stance is and has always been that it is an ability that we all have as it is a by product of our consciousness and thusly we all have it *IE we don't live in the TV series "Charmed"*.

reply to post by napayshni57


Valid question.

It is to not deliberately harm anyone else.
No matter what you affect people. The goal is to affect people positively.

Other religions have a list of conduct, which people can follow, but still have a black heart.

Pagans and such believe it is the energy they put out in the world, and effects it. But you can't help all effects.

If you go through your life with good intentions, then you are living the faith.But you can't control the very complicated intricate web that is fate, karma, and life design.

If you do a spell to get a job. You are asking to be given that job, you have a family to raise, it is preservation, there is nothing wrong with that.

Harming people is if you do a spell to take a job from someone deliberately, or want something to happen to that person so you get it, then you are doing harm.

Maybe that job was meant for something else. You might not get it because a better one is coming down the road, but you can ask for help.There is nothing wrong with that.

reply to post by GorehoundLarry


If you have a problem with this thread, then don't post in it. No one is forcing you. You are not contributing anything useful.

reply to post by templar knight


That is another unspoken mantra, that you are not to harm yourself. You are supposed to take care of the body given to you.
In fact, a little self preservation is allowed. For example, you are supposed to take care of the Earth. All of the Earth is a temple, every leaf and bug. But for instance, you get attacked by a bear, and you must kill it for self preservation, it doesn't count against you. Unless you intimidated that bear into attacking you. Because you were also put here, so you should take care of the life that was given to you.

reply to post by silo13


Funny coming from someone on a conspiracy site.I figured conspiracy of all things teach you to look beyond the mainstream. Way to keep an open mind.

I am a very grounded person myself. But as an experience I tried magic a few times, and was shocked by the results. But the human mind is a powerful thing.

Aren't eastern philosophy monks capable of meditating for days without food and water? Or able to lower or raise their body temperature or heart rate? Most people believe they are capable of doing that.

Is it so hard to believe that a person is capable of manipulating energy to their cause? Or to do simple rituals to bring good things to good people?

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


How about this thought what you write comes across different to me than what you think it should. What I write comes across different to you than what I think it should.

Yes I believe everyone has abilities.

It does seem that those abilities are more developed in some families.

It also seems that people that have had illnesses that are told they are going to die from them then don't have a tendency for their abilities to have developed to a much higher degree.

Is it genetics or is it mind set? Is it in our dna? What would awaken it to its full potential in everyone?

Now do you understand what I have been saying to you? Are we on the same page or still in two different books?