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President Obama’s Address to Students Across America Sept 8 2009

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posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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Well it reads like a critical thinking lesson, where one has to extrapolate, give opinion
and give reason for that opinion. However I don't think it is the presidents jobs to teach such a lesson. Now if president had a lesson built upon "facts" that would be blatant
indoctrination, but basing the entire thing upon opinion softens it a bit for me.
I can certainly see why people are opposed to this, especially considering that so many
do not desire such a reach into their personal lives,,, just as many do not like others reaching into their uteruses and bedrooms.

A better verdict can be delivered upon hearing this "interaction" as to the extent of indoctrination.

I can say that I sure did not like have to say the pledge every morning as a kid cause I had no idea WTF I was yammering on about at such a young age, as well as saying "god".

Fair argument




posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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Idealogically, you are right.

But the problem today that is that it seems the government turns a blind eye and a def ear to anything the people say regarding the decisions they make.

They have had such a bad record for the past 8 years, along with the bailouts, nationalized healthcare, closing of gitmo, etc etc. The reason for disagreement may not be clear when speaking of millions of people, but it seems the majorities are always let down by the government.

So, while such ideas sound good - it seems there are always secret motives that we do not yet understand whenever the government does something.

Obama is an out-spoken idealististic liar. We need a realist, and we also need a country that can accept a realistic person. To much fake in this world for me.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 08:17 PM
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As a former educator and asst. principle I can say this is great. It does get the kids to think. Use their imaginations for a change; get involved in current events, not sheltering them.
Indoctrination? Maybe. Only if it fits your forethought and/or agenda
(Art of War & Bruce Lee). Logically and analytically - not really. We used to do this stuff back in back in elementary & junior high school (70 - 80's ) for any major event on TV. Shuttle launches, inaugurations, when the hostages in Iran were released, speeches, video taped speeches, etc. My kid's school has it all on closed circuit.
One my assignments to students was to watch the news and be prepared to discuss it orally or in essay presented as a test or quiz.
What's the big deal? Are you afraid of your child developing independent thought?
It is so needed in this country. Do you realize there are text books with incorrect history being used. Teachers in schools that can't spell. Teachers afraid to walk outside the curriculum just to do the minimum. God forbid we would ask them read Newsweek or Time and ask them to comment on it.
Hopefully it will inspire our kids to be active as they get older to change the world to their vision from one their parents' ignorance, prejudice and unwillingness that has left them ashes.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 08:22 PM
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So here's what I see here:

The president is going to make a speech. That speech is directed at the youth in America and it encourages them to get out and volunteer. This work would help the community, and build character for 'younglins(
). There is also a document that is being sent to teachers that gives suggestions on how to engage the class in what is going on, rather than just watching the event and saying "waddya think?"

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I see absolutely no problem with this.

Cheers



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 09:22 PM
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I see a certain segment of the nation flipping out over this. September 8th; national skip day?

There are two sides to every coin. Half the nation wants to take the country in one direction. The other half wants to go the other way.

There is no right or wrong in this matter. But your going to need more then 60% of the national support to win the cause.

It's a tug of war between both sides. And the threads are starting to separate.

See you in the streets. Forgainst what ever you believe in.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by PlatNuMonk
As a former educator and asst. principle I can say this is great. It does get the kids to think. Use their imaginations for a change; get involved in current events, not sheltering them.
Indoctrination? Maybe. Only if it fits your forethought and/or agenda
(Art of War & Bruce Lee). Logically and analytically - not really. We used to do this stuff back in back in elementary & junior high school (70 - 80's ) for any major event on TV. Shuttle launches, inaugurations, when the hostages in Iran were released, speeches, video taped speeches, etc. My kid's school has it all on closed circuit.
One my assignments to students was to watch the news and be prepared to discuss it orally or in essay presented as a test or quiz.
What's the big deal? Are you afraid of your child developing independent thought?
It is so needed in this country. Do you realize there are text books with incorrect history being used. Teachers in schools that can't spell. Teachers afraid to walk outside the curriculum just to do the minimum. God forbid we would ask them read Newsweek or Time and ask them to comment on it.
Hopefully it will inspire our kids to be active as they get older to change the world to their vision from one their parents' ignorance, prejudice and unwillingness that has left them ashes.



My thoughts exactly.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 09:59 PM
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Yes, this is pretty much correct. You see, we do not want America, Land of the Pilgrim's Pride, Land Where My Fathers Died, converted into

(1) a Third World he77-hole (although much of it already is)
(2) a Marxist insurgency

and let alone ...

a Soviet Socialist state with compelled state-worship.

Other than that, I suppose this indoctrination is a good thing coming from our Usurper in Chief.


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Originally posted by kozmo
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SNIP

Somehow I seriously doubt that you would support this initiaitive if the President were anything but a liberal Democrat.
Sorry BH, I can see right through this!



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 10:36 PM
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My kids will be home sick on Sept. 8.
They will also be absent on the days the school district is giving "free"
swine flu vaccinations to all students.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 10:42 PM
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Damn that's creepy. Judging from the info for teachers, it seems like he's telling kids what to think, and there will be positive reinforcement for agreement with his agenda, and vice versa. If he gets into political initiatives and appealing to such willing minds, i'll go ahead and call it straight up indoctrination.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 10:55 PM
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Luckily for me my children are out of school now, but for those of you with young children who will hear this speech, I do have a few suggestions.

Attend school with your child that day...it's allowed and encouraged for parents to do so. If you simply cannot be there, speak to the teacher ahead of time and ask that he/she record the entire speech for you.

Also, talk with your child about this, let them know it's ok for them to hear what he has to say, but, they should feel free to discuss what they heard/learned with you afterward.

The schools/government can tell a child anything they wish, but it is the parents whose opinion the child truly respects.

Personally...I would be sitting in the classroom and recording it....for those "Did he really say that?" moments.

See ya,
Shea

S & F Great find OP...even if the speech is harmless, parents need to know about it.

If you really want to get the word out to other parents, print and post it in public places.

[edit on 1-9-2009 by SheaWolf]

[edit on 1-9-2009 by SheaWolf]



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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No. Gimma a break. It would seem that all most Americans seems to understand and deal with, is what they are opposed to. It's absurd, and if I were an American citizen, I'd find it so condescending and down right embarassing. And whenever I see this kind of thing on ATS I have to cringe.
You might as well just vote Alex Jones for President..



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by skycopilot
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Once again - perfectly predictable. Is the idea that you are on to stop all legitimate questioning of the MOTIVES of would-be dictators?
Can you ever stop getting Chris Matthews' "thrill up the leg?" when it comes to Nobama?

I'll bet you do not believe in evil. Because you sure cannot see the evil in brainwashing. Woops, I just wasted my time - writing to one who has already been brainwashed.

(You'll probably make some ad hominem attack about not having a brain HA-HA)

[edit on 1-9-2009 by skycopilot]


not related to the post but attacking someone's opinion that isn't harming or mocking anyone is rude, distasteful, and reminiscent of republican talk show hosts that talk/yell too loud, only provide meaningless points to dance around, and make personal attacks against anyone with an opposing opinion.


respectfully, pull your head out of your ass


edit: to stay on topic,

if I were a kid in highschool, regardless of who he is I would be absolutely thrilled to meet him. this is a great opportunity and I hope the students ask really good questions, make him sweat.

[edit on 2-9-2009 by piddles]



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 01:15 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Strictsum
The school system is responsible for that not the parents.


Well, you can tell yourself that, but when I was a kid, my mom made sure I did all my school work and knew what I was supposed to be learning. And if my kid were in the public school system today, you can be sure I'd be taking the responsibility to make sure she got a good education, and that means me being involved. I wouldn't be putting my child's education in the hands of the US school system.


That's a mighty big "IF" there BH! As an involved parent of 2 in public school I can promise you this, parents have little if any control over what their child is taught. The county dictates the curriculum according to state guidelines. They must meet those requirements in order to keep their accreditation.

Question, how does one measure "good"? That is very subjective. Why are you making excuses for teachers? Teachers are paid to teach! I don't expect a teacher to come to my home at 1:00 in the morning because my child has a fever and up all night! Nor do I expect a teacher to wipe away my son's tears because his pet hamster died. That's my job! Yet I can't expect her to do hers? I have to do hers too? Is there no accountability?

Wrong!! I have to reinforce what my child was taught, not break ground on algebra II or Physics for that matter. So you can stop blaming the parents for dumb-ing down the youth I put that back on the education system as a whole!

This is the first day of school for my kids, I hope this doesn't ruin their day!!



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 01:28 AM
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That speech is directed at the youth in America and it encourages them to get out and volunteer.


Oh I agree, volunteering is great, but it is Obama's "mandatory volunteering" that really turns my stomach.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 01:40 AM
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I have been on here for the past year or two as just a reader, but this is it. I have to say something. Benevolent Heretic (what kind of name is that??), I bet that you aren't Benevolent or a Heretic. People on here say that this place is infiltrated by psyops feds...well, I believe it. I would be willing to bet that you, BH, are of questionable mind...to even state for a second that this youth service stuff is in ANY way a good idea for the children...it is the most repulsive thing I have ever heard of...ARE YOU OUT OF YOU MIND!!!????!!?? The last thing these kids are going to do is that, number one and number two, don't you remember being that age? You'd have more luck getting a square peg in a round hole than getting kids to do some sort of community service out of their own volition. This Obama Brigade stuff is going to be MANDATORY, COMPULSORY which equals FORCED LABOR...IT IS ON THE ROAD TO TYRANNY!!! What did the DARE program teach us??? It taught us all about drugs, so that when we got old enough, we knew exactly which ones to do and how to do them, DUH! And you bet your but that the ppl that started that program knew what they were doing and are the same ppl behind this one--if you want a kid to do something, forbid him from doing it and tell him that its just bad...5 years later and voi la, you now have a consumer base. If you make these kids do this "community service" you're gonna have alot of pissed off kids that are going to want back what they gave to the community when shtf and they're starving...and they're gonna know exactly how to form a brigade with like friends that they did in school with and they're gonna remember EXACTLY which places to hit and they're probably gonna be paid for it by whoever the globalists have in power at that time....OBAMA IS A PAWN SO WAS BUSH!!!!! We live in an age where presidents are lieutenants...either get that or get bent, BH...I'm sorry but your first post about how that would be good for the kids was just F&^%$*% RETARDED. PERIOD! Are you trying to destroy the nuclear family...do you work for the feds, dude? You'd be my first bet. For your sake, I hope you were playing devil's advocate....you pissed so many ppl off, so badly that they didn't even want to bless you with arguments against you, they just let you go on your lost way...couldn't you see that??? coming up with this smart-ass crap about "well look who's doing the attacking"...I almost threw up in my mouth when I read that...you're lucky that I'm even going out of my way to express how strongly I feel about this. You need to get a clue man. Go do something artful or something and quit letting stuff go to your head. Everybody's the same here...



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 01:48 AM
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What should be happening, is instead of the kids listening to Bush III, the kids should be the ones talking while he listens. Let the kids have a voice, prove to them that their opinions matter. Talk to the teachers and find out the needs of the students. The president should be doing the will of the people not trying to convince the people to do his will.
If you are goning to talk to kids, talk to them about how the government works, teach them about the constitution. Don't use them to try to convince their parents to go along with something their parents to want.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 02:01 AM
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Unfortunately too many people in US are too compartmentalised, meaning they are top- notch specialists in their narrow fields of specialty yet they often lack critical thinking. While where I live, people tend to be jacks of all trades, and masters of none. What needs to be changed in US schools, is the philosophy of life. Once again America must restore the honour and pride of hard and earnest work. 20 years ago kids would dream of becoming astronauts or drivers, but today they have been brainwashed by easy money that all they dream is to get some profession where they wouldn`t need to do much, just scoop the cash, too many people want to be advocates, wallstreet runners and basketball stars. It all comes from neglecting and not honouring people who really have deserved it- the hard working scientists, technicians, engineers, construction workers.etc.

[edit on 08.15.09 by Advancedboy]



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 02:14 AM
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if I were a kid in highschool, regardless of who he is I would be absolutely thrilled to meet him. this is a great opportunity and I hope the students ask really good questions, make him sweat.

You do realize that the speech will be recorded as it will be broadcast all over the country I doubt he will be taking questions.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 02:14 AM
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Blahblahblah, everything Obama does is evil, blahblahblah, we need to be cavemen with automatic weapons, there is no need for government or law or anything silly like that, blahblahblah, Obama can't take a crap without everyone twisting it into something evil and wicked.

Gets very tiring honestly.



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