I think that Alex Jones is into something., page 2
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reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 10:04 AM by nine-eyed-eel
Alex does two things.

The first thing he does is he points you to references, articles, clips, he is like a google search term, or a friend who knows your taste in music. In my experience, every article or reference that he says says so-and-so pretty much does say so-and-so, any ambiguity is present in the original material and I have not seen him misread or misrepresent a source. So as a repeater, his score is good, pretty unequivocally.

His other function, which I would call determining weight of emphasis, is much more artistic, harder to quantify his worth at...He can report a list of accurately-quoted sources, all of which are "true", true enough, good everyday data points which taken together seem to prove such-and-such ...but there may be (probably are) somewhere some other citations, equally true-enough everyday data points, that might seem to prove anti-(such-and-such)...In other words, every individual thing Alex references may be true-enough and accurately-quoted...But if we knew everything about whatever topic Alex is on about, if we had a God's-eye-view or if we were 20 years in the future and knew how things all turned out, would the particular true-enough things that Alex mentions be the most necessary and informative things that he could have picked?...Well probably not...Alex is not God, doesn't know everything, and does not come from the future...I find it easy to forgive him for that...Plus the easiest way to sort through a whole vast pile of info is to take a strong point-of-view/bias and sort everything into pro- and con- your hypothesis...That is what Alex is doing, and there is nothing wrong with that, he is not lying or crazy, and when he gets stuff wrong it is because he gets stuck harping on the wrong (factually-correct but ultimately irrelevant-or-insignificant) data points.
So if we had to rate Alex on this task, how well does he pick which true-enough reference-items to emphasize...he is not as good at this as he is at being a repeater (but it's a harder task), maybe he's half-right, right now I don't think we know enough to evaluate the predictive value of his world-view.


reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 10:24 AM by joe82
reply to post by Frankidealist35



I feel the same way, He is on to something, That's also why I think the government is gona try to discredit him and destroy him with this whole swine flu thing, I think they created the flu & spread it in a way that would raise red flags with people like Alex Jones and also the same thing about the way they are talking about the vaccine, So he'll go around everyday saying don't take the shot don't take the shot & then when people start dying, their family will say "Alex Jones said don't take the shot & they listened" & with that happening, Alex Jones & the truth movement will be over, just my opinion/theory.



reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 10:27 AM by open_eyeballs
reply to post by Ha`la`tha



Hallelujia!! Amen brother!

Finally someone with some common sense about them...

Of course an opinion that resides on earlthy terrain gets ignored, unlike the ones that are floating above the clouds...sad they way things work like that...

What is so funny about Alex Jones is he is a regurgitator with a little twist. He likes to add his pathetic outlandish persona to everything he shouts threw his bullhorn. More than half the "info" he spews is actually research from someon elses hard work.

What he does is propogandizes it and makes it easily accessible for all the other conspiracy nerds out there that dont have the time or want to give the effort to research the "conspiracies" Jones talks about. So he desperately tries to tie things together that do not go together at all by "piecing together" the puzzle un-meticulously...

Its a sad day when someone like Jones is looked up to as hero.

You have real genuine interest and knowledge about how to achieve real change through peaceful legislation and democratic means with someone like Ron Paul, and he gets ignored. But as soon as the maniac with the bullhorn shows up everyone starts screaming constitution and how the elite are out to kill us....watch all the maniacs come roaring out of their caves with their guns strapped to their sides thinking they are "protecting " their second amendment...

Last thing I will say about him is he is a distraction. And that is about the best thing I can say about him.

edit for typos and to clarify

[edit on 1-9-2009 by open_eyeballs]


reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 11:48 AM by Ha`la`tha
reply to post by OuttaHere




God I love reading Douglas Adams. You can't say what he was saying was true, obviously, but you can let your mind waft into his uncanny world, by letting his words whisper softly into your imagination..




reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 11:53 AM by daddio
reply to post by Frankidealist35


Jones may not be the best source but getting the shock into people who haven't been paying attention is one way to get them going. I think there needs to be more backing for people like Ron Paul and others that are somewhat honest in Congress. Get them into the spotlight more often.

Watch Kay Griggs and get blown away. She may seem a bit religious but she is a first hand account because of her husband. This should be added to the OP.

video.google.com...





[edit on 1-9-2009 by daddio]


reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 12:05 PM by Ha`la`tha
reply to post by open_eyeballs



Exactly - I've seen it so many times, it becomes blinding. People who WANT to understand their world, taking on the opinions people who only rant about political things they know entice emotion to further their own self-worth.

I honestly have no idea what Jones agenda is. Self serving egotism or uber concerned prolific public persona - I do know that he grabs the least common denominator and thrusts it out as the unheard voice of reality.

When so many people are stuck, struggling for answers, I find his ilk a corrupted and horrible answer.

Jones for me, is no less a cultural snake in the grass of society, than any other nefarious force leading the populace away from - dare I say it, or is there another word - patriotic ideals. Patriotism has itself conjurd bad interpretations these days.. perhaps I mean loyalty to your own community.. At the very least, I mean respect to your neighbors.

meh, he is a miscreant in my mind.


(ps, I need a new spelling checker - all My aussie comes out yankied!!



reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 12:26 PM by Ha`la`tha
Originally posted by SonicInfinity
If that's what you really believe, then you haven't listened to Alex Jones enough. He has stated countless times that he doesn't want to be everybody's hero or focal point. He says that he doesn't want to be at the helm of the massive conspiracy ship.


Yet infowars, is so subtle it is a quiet as a mouse... Squeek..

Unlike most people who sit on forums all day and complain about everything (not you in particular, but I know of some), Alex Jones is actually trying to make a difference by spreading around information in the only way he knows how.


Loudly and on a public forum, as-well as other mediums.. Not squeak.

He wants people to hear his voice.

If you think you can do a better job, maybe you should start up a radio show -- or at the very least, a news blog.


What is it that he is spreading? Knowledge or misinterpreted and SELF SERVING propaganda?

Everytime I hear about him, it's either 100% FOR him or 100% WTF is this guy on?! - AGAIN???

He serves no purpose without the people who place 100% faith in his words. He's awake? What - because he can recite things joe teatowel who registered here in feb 08 does? Or because he knows about things fred bloggs knew in 02 ?

Alex has stated on numerous occasions that if you think you can do better than him, don't talk about it, do it.


Do WHAT? Elicit peoples emotions by proclaiming absurdities so often that they appear truth?

Isnt that what people say the govt does? Lie enough that the people accept it as true?

MAKE YOUR MIND UP !




reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 12:28 PM by Unlimitedpossibilities
reply to post by SonicInfinity



Exactly.

I do not care what people say about him, I will respect him because he is the reason why I am even looking deeper into government policy, etc.

Well, that and my father also got me into critical thinking.

If only for that reason, then I will respect him and see him as a human being, prone to error like all of us, and on "our side".

EDIT TO ADD:

In other words, if he inspired me, he inspired others to critically think, and that to me is the first step to being independent.



[edit on 1-9-2009 by Unlimitedpossibilities]


reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 12:31 PM by open_eyeballs
reply to post by SonicInfinity



If that's what you really believe, then you haven't listened to Alex Jones enough. He has stated countless times that he doesn't want to be everybody's hero or focal point.


Maybe so, but I find it impossible to differentiate his motivations and intentions with those of a scam artist...especially considering the ridiculous amounts of money he asks for his little "documentaries."

If you think you can do a better job, maybe you should start up a radio show -- or at the very least, a news blog.


Why? I have better things to do than to spread alarmist style scare tactics that are meant to motivate people to go to my websites and radio shows to listen to my advertisements and buy my ludicrous opinions via dvd...

If you are interested in revolution and all the stuff Alex Jones says is out to kill you, the best thing you can do at this point is to side with people who have actually been in the fight for our rights for decades...i.e. Ron Paul...theres a patriot. Theres someone actually doing something about all the "NWO"... conspiracies...without using jibberish and/or fear mongering.

If your interested in truth then get to know Ron Pauls arguments and what it is he is trying to get through to the public. He made huge strides with the last election...but he gets associated with people like Alex Jones... so the msm and the rest of the GOP writes him off as some nut job...

Especially considering Paul has been the only consistant level headed voice in D.C. for the last 2 decades. Then you have Jones' (who has been associate with R.P. because of interviews..Ill give Jones that much...at least he gives R.P. a venue) who spreads his propoganda which gets identified with a real movement but does nothing to promote those ideals and further the agenda of constitutional liberty...In fact he accomplishes the exact opposite with his scare mongering...creating a shadow over the campaign for liberty so many have died for and worked hard trying to protect...


reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 12:38 PM by open_eyeballs
reply to post by Ha`la`tha



When so many people are stuck, struggling for answers, I find his ilk a corrupted and horrible answer.


Thats just the thing...he (Jones) knows people dont know how to inform themselves properly...so he plays off their ignorance and fills their head full of conspiratorial catch phrases like NWO and "the powers that be"...

he does nothing in the way of informing the people properly or getting them to think for themselves...

Its all an "us vs. them" mentality..."they" are trying to kill "us"..

its assanying...



reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 12:43 PM by open_eyeballs
reply to post by candlelight32



damn man that sucks..

I came real close to jumping on the gold wagon last august/ September when things took a turn for..well the abyss really...

But the more I read up on all the new "gold" pushers the more I saw it was a ploy and it wasnt going to hit that $2000 mark people had been talking about...

Sorry to hear bout your situation...You should sue...




reply posted on 1-9-2009 @ 01:01 PM by dizzie56
What he proposed isnt really new at all. Him saying that the "right" and the "left" are basically the same thing is true. I think that it is pretty obvious that whichever "side" wins, you end up gettin the same guy in as prez. And the same thing that mrs. sheehan said, one side gets in just so the at least half the country (bout half really) is all for the a-hole that is prez usually cause they dont want to admit that they made a mistake for voting for such an a## and feel like an idiot.

People buy that "I'm going to CHANGE America" crap hook line and sinker. Nothing really changes, just keeps moving forward into the direction that it has been. Only difference is how fast it can move forward. Obama is a perfect example. He is totally the next bush so to speak. Completely furthered Bush's policies and hasnt "changed" a damn thing. And to the republicans that are out there thinkin that Bush was any good what so ever ("He stopped more terrorist attacks man" is usually the argument which imho is really hard to prove), please explain for the need of the bailout. Or how bout why we even went to Iraq at all. That was the biggest thing, really. "We are going to hunt down Osama bin Laden, but first we are just gonna make this little side trip to Iraq is all. Just a stop on the way to ridding the world of terrorists." Come on, really?

Its been the same thing for years. We are told one thing then shown another. Only difference is, the masters (banks, oligarch-companies, etc...) have finally got someone in there that can speak well. People really get drawn into what this man says just by the way he talks. Obama is like a mix between MLK and Malcom X when he opens his mouth. I happen to love when you listen to Rush and he speeds up the clips so Obama is talking like a chipmunk, completely destroys how he says it and lets u actually hear what he is saying. We should do that with everybody from now on. Maybe people will actually start to wake up a bit.
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