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Criminals...Throw away the key?

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posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 11:48 PM
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I don't know if this is the appropriate place but here it goes...

Now, this is a mindsate I find everywhere, not just on this site, but I find it here as well and it bothers me.

What mindstate you ask? The mindstate that everyone charged/convicted/accused of a crime is a threat to society and is better off locked up forever or even worse. Also, the the mindstate that society is better off without these people in it.

Now, while there are rapists, child molesters and murderers out there and in the system, the good majority of the system is filled with people in prison for victimless crimes.

I.E. 70 percent of women incarcerated are incarcerated for non-voilent crimes.

In 2000 75.9% of those(male and female) incarcerated were incarcerated for non-voilent crimes.

"Either build schools for the child, or build prisons for the adult."

Don't think thats the exact quote but, oh well.

From 1987 to 1995, state government expenditures on prisons increased by 30% while spending on higher education decreased by 18%.

602,032-Number of African Americans in Colleges in the US in 2000.
791,600-Number of African Americans in jails and prisons in the US in 2000.

Over a 2-year period from 1994 through 1995, state spending on prison construction increased by $926 million while funds for higher education fell by $954 million.

Now on to my story...

I am a male in my early twenties. I got the mother of my child pregnant at the age of 16. I dropped out thinking I would be able to find work and support them. Mainly because her family wouldn't help and I come from a poor family that all have had to work together to stay afloat month to month. Well, at the age of 16 with no prior work history and not being connected or having any family connections in the area I lived in I found nothing. Needless to say it was a dark time in my life and I spent the majority of the time I wasn't looking for work drinking and smoking reefer, just trying to erase the thoughts I would end up like my father who was never there for me and worthless.

At around the age of around 17, I got into some trouble with the law. It was christmas time and i had no money to buy my son anything and he didn't have diapers or clothes that fit. I did something stupid. I got caught afterward and had to go to court. Being a juvenile the court thought it best for my son's mother to move back with her parents who had moved states away. That day the system broke up my family.

Afterwards, we still talked and I would have my child for months at a time so everything was fine. Other than the fact finding work became harder. Also, when my son would leave for months it became hard for me to stay sober. After time the relationship became strained more and more. With her coming from a fairly well off family that had both parents that worked well paying jobs and me coming from a poorer family, the arguments about money started to become more prevalent as time went on. I got desperate. I started selling marijuana.

But, by the time I had started to make enough money to keep her happy, she had already left and wouldn't answer my calls because she was with someone else. She took my son and wanted me out of her life. She wanted me to disappear,as if I didn't exist. I still really don't know why to this day, I didn't beat her, she had no objections to what I was doing, maybe her family got in her ear, I just don't know. Well, whatever I stray away from topic.

By that time I was drinking and smoking heavily. I was also making a good amount of money. And hell, I wasn't selling herion, I didn't sell to children. I found nothing morally wrong with what I was doing. I Still don't find anything morally wrong with it to this day. I wasn't making people steal to get their fix, so who cares?

Apparently the law...

Months later the raid hit. My grandmothers house got raided. They threatened to take the house, they kicked my nephew who was only a few months old, they hit me with the butt of an ar-15, and threatened to arrest everyone in the family(although noone had an inkling of what I was doing outside of the household).

I was sentenced to two one year sentences in jail or pay 5,000 dollars a peice to get the time knocked off. Well, they took every dollar I had in the raid, and as I said earlier I come from a poor family so I had to do the time. Also, selling any form of narcotic, regardless of what it is, is considered a voilent crime, which makes you ineligible for certain work programs to cut time off. There is really nothing else at all to say about that period of time, jail is a rather mundane place.

Anyway, upon my release I realized that to continue to participate would mean a perpetual cycle of previous events leading me farther away from my goal of seeing my child. So since then no matter how hard things have got and no matter how easy it would be to fall back into the fast money lifestyle I have not. Now, I with a big F on my record work is almost non-existent. But I perservere.

Now my problem with this mindstate shall be stated.

Should I be treated the way I am by society today?

Do I deserve to be thrown away? Locked away with the key thrown in the ocean?

I never hurt anyone with my actions other than my family(not purposefully). I never forced anything on anyone other than my family(Not purposefully). Noone suffered because of my actions other than myself and my family. And what I fear most is that my son will suffer the most for my youthful ignorance. He needs a father. Not a step father, but a father. He needs to know his biological father loves him. Or he might end up like me or worse. Even though what I did is considered wrong, I did what I felt I had to do to keep everything together. Keep my family together and well off. You never know what you'll do for money till you don't have it. It's easy for someone that's never been in a bad situation to point the finger and call names, but I want people to seriously think. There is a story behind every "criminal". And a family.




posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 02:23 AM
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Good on ya for being able to open up.


You see....the law enforcement\justice system has a problem. In your synopsis of the situation early in your thread - it is clear that if the law is enforced properly....there are not enough physical resources to contain and rehabilitate every single criminal.

If every criminal right now this second was arrested - the entire system would collapse.

To really solve the solution, the definition of Crime needs to be rewritten. Not in the lawbooks, but throughout society too. As you can imagine, with all the red tape and beurocracy, this is a long and painful task through the lawbooks. And changing an entire society...yeek gads, I bet some places in America look at you strange if you walk down the street with a beer in your hand, whereas in English society this is perfectly acceptable. Chaning society will take a lot of time, but the lawbooks are a good start.
Some places like Australia have decriminalized marijuana posession, which frees up more resources for more serious crimes. In other countries, the solution is to rewrite Law Enforcement. No prisons - just an execution squad.

As for your situation with a permanent "record" and the feeling of the key thrown away from you. If I was you I'dd find a way to change identity.

If there is a will - there is a way.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 02:35 AM
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Did you know what you was doing illegal?

If so why did you do it?

Drug dealers cost me 7 years of my life with my dad. Now it looks as if it will cost you any chance of knowing your child.

It wasn't the system that did this to you or me. It was the choice that you made and my uncle made. Next time hopefully you will do the responsible thing and not look for the quick buck.

I have no problems with the sentences dope pushers get. I agree that our prisons are completely maxed out. Thats why I want tougher laws.

All murderers get the death penalty

All sex offenders get the death penalty

Dope pushers get 25-life

Theives get 10-25 depending on what on how much and whether they used a weapon.

And the death sentance will be carried out within a year they are convicted. No more waiting on death row for 25 years.

That would be a nice penal system.

Man am I going to be flamed for this post.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 02:49 AM
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Well I say this....The Jail system is not designed to rehabiliate anyone.
Look at it for christs sake.
You go there to get out as quickly as you can, or learn to become a better criminal..or you find a spiritual awakening..usually on your own.

Our Jails do not rehabilate people effictively.
And to the OP I give sympathy.....People put yourself in his shoes. During this recession especially, money is scare.
No he wasnt selling herion...he was selling a plant grown naturally by the Earth. Made illegal by THE SYSTEM..kind of unnatural isnt it( Thankyou Bill Hicks)
You say drugs are drugs...I say plants arent drugs Xanax is a drug, but you sell the **** outta that to any and everyone.
"But it helps me out I take xanax"
well what about OP who needed a way to get money for his kid because the system itself is not designed to take care of everyone.But hey if the government says its cool its alright.
And as far as our basis of laws and where they originally came from "The Constitution" was written on hemp paper, hemp material for our first flags too.
Though IMO droppin out, was your own fault..but again the system has made it to where you need highschool and suaully college to survive.
Many people cannot afford to do so, not everyone has the same circumstance.

Murder, and robbery...that is different.
But to compare selling marijuana to anything other than selling marijuna is rdiculous. It angers me to see a sex offender get off easier than a pothead.
Pot is not the same as coke and herion though, it just isnt. The enviorment and nature is completley different and if you think that then you have not looked at enough info from various sources.

My man I respect you because you hustled the system. you didnt rob, you didnt kill or steal for the money. You played the system that is hypocrital and very old school.Though I do feel for you
I'll send sum reiki through to you in my prayers for hopes that your situation turns better. Trust me though think postive as hard as it is too do



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 03:23 AM
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Of course I knew what I was doing was illegal. But in the enviroment I was surronded by it was part of life. Also, there was a thought process going in to it. I seen what crack does to a crackhead, I seen what herion does to a junkie, but never once did I ever see someone shake on the floor in ther own vomit and urine going through withdrawals from marijuana.

As i said I found nothing morally wrong with it. Just because something is illegal that doesn't make it immoral. As at the same time something legal is not always moral. For instance, cheating on your spouse is not illegal but it is completely immoral.

Also, no maybe the system didn't do this to me...But it really didn't help. Also, no society didn't do this to me, but it sure help set things in motion.

Like I said alot of people can't really fully understand a situation like that till you're placed in it.

I'd also like to add being convivted of selling narcotics many times will get you more than murder. And the most heinous of crimes, child molesting, usually do fairly little time, if any at all.

I'd also like to say just because society/the government/the media says something is wrong that doesn't mean it is. If everyone always listened to the people put in authority over them we would still be an english province.

Edited to add-How did drug dealers cost you 7 years of life with your father?

Edited to also add- I know I made some bad desicions(some I regret,some I don't), but at that age who really knows what they're doing could affect the rest of their life?


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posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 03:34 AM
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I totally respect and appreciate your desire for being responsible enough for dealing with your own actions and consequences aswell as being aware that the system in itself is broken.

Props to the comparisons of marijuana to crack adicts. There simply is none.
People tend to forget some of the things that are illegal are just plain retarded and being "illegal" doesnt make it better or worse its just a stigma people put on it.
Right and wrong....not legal and illegal.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 03:47 AM
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I'd also like to add to this conversation the fact that the most vile characters, usually just become informants and continue to commit crimes and sell drugs knowing that if they get caught they can just tell on someone else and continue life. I knew people that literally got away with murder because they were informants.

Also, I'd like to re-iterate the fact that if you look at the substance and the circumstances the fact that this is even what they use tax dollars for is absurd (referring to the ganja).



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 05:58 AM
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Well let's see here. Your first act as a father was of neglect. Same as the mother's. You're both supposed to be able to provide for your children before you bring them into this world. What you did wrong was you didn't start trying to find a job until it was too late, after you'd already gotten someone pregnant.

You should probably be married before you have sex. Didn't anyone ever tell you that? But let me guess, you loved her and you knew better than they did right?

Well guess what? It's no surprise that the kind of girl that will sleep with you before marriage, is also the kind of girl that will get bored with your ways and soon enough take your children to live with another man. But why?

It has nothing to do with how nice you are or if you beat a women. All that matters is if you can provide for them. If you can't, well it doesn't really matter how much they love you if they haven't eaten in four days. Now, I would never hit a women, but this probably why some women in poor areas stay with abusive partners. At least they get to eat.

You see, women have a biological imperative. Seek out the best biological mate she can find to mate with, but then seek out the best financial provider she can find to provide for the children once they're born. If you're not both of these to the women, then don't be having children with her unless you're absolutely sure she's not that kind of women. But I never met a women that didn't need food or that didn't threaten to kick me out when I was unemployed.

You wanna know how much a women really loves you? Don't work for six months. Then you'll know.

Now, a rhetorical question. How many jobs did you NOT apply for because you knew you wouldn't pass the drug test? But you kept smoking weed and then complained about how you couldn't get any of those jobs right?

Hmm, let me ask another one. What do you suppose would have cost less money? The diapers and the clothes for your child or all that weed you smoked?

Now I'm trying not to judge you, but it's really hard. See, I think weed should be legal. I'm not trying to say it's your fault because you're a druggy. You wanna smoke weed that's fine. I've done it too. But I'm saying it's your fault because of priorities man! You wanna smoke some weed then that's fine, but when you got a child you gotta put the money back for the important stuff FIRST! If you do that, that alone will kill your drug problem because when you got a kid and no job you shouldn't have any money left for any weed.

Which brings me to my next question. Where'd ya get the money for the alcohol and are those people still loaning you money? If so, I would like their number. You know, because I love a drink every now and then, but the bills come first you know.

Now, I'm also not going to judge you for being a drug dealer. I just have one question? All that money you made doing it? Did it disappear as easily as it came? I bet it did didn't it?


Now, should you be treated differently than me? Sure why not? I never committed any crimes. I never neglected my child. Why should you have a better life than I have if I did all the right things?

But then again I'm not all concerned with wordly things and revenge really. I believe in forgiveness. So, you should be given another chance. You shouldn't be treated like a criminal forever. You should be given the chance to make your life right. But will you?

Well, I hope so. Go prove to yourself you're not just a criminal.

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posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 06:17 AM
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What you did first to get involved with the law, you don't state. I cannot comment on that if your punishment was fair or not.

On your second experience of jail for selling pot, that is just hilariously insane. First of all, pot is being legalized/decriminalized around the world as we type. Second of all, i live in Finland where we are very conservative and way behind much of Europe in reforming our outdated laws. That said pot is illegal. But to give you an example about crime&lawful punishment: 2 guys got arrested last week with some 30+ kg of hashish here and the prosecutor wants 2 years in prison for them.

You don't state the extent of your business, but i assume from what you wrote it was nothing of this magnitude. I also agree, you were doing a victimess crime.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by tinfoilman
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You wanna know how much a women really loves you? Don't work for six months. Then you'll know.
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Your post was on total a load of nonsense, but while reading the quoted, it got me from annoyed to feeling sorry for you. You have clearly never been loved by a woman, and you are hurt by your experiences on that front. I would never care to be with anyone, who cares if i have a job or not. I recommend the same for you; you are better off alone then being with someone like that.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by AgnosticX


That day the system broke up my family.


Quit with the pity me stuff, here. You said you made a "stupid mistake." You broke up your family with your mistake. Also, why are you citing statistics about educational funding when you admitt you dropped out of school? Learn from your mistakes and move on. You wouldn't have been in the situation, you would have us believe, if you hadn't gotten this girl pregnant. I think otherwise. You are using this as an excuse to justify your illegal activities, which I believe you would have done, anyway.


Also, when my son would leave for months it became hard for me to stay sober. After time the relationship became strained more and more.


And, you wonder why the relationship became strained? You can't possibly be this clueless. You were having problems staying sober. Who in their right mind wants their child to be around people that can't stay sober?



With her coming from a fairly well off family that had both parents that worked well paying jobs and me coming from a poorer family, the arguments about money started to become more prevalent as time went on. I got desperate. I started selling marijuana.


You also said above you had a hard time staying sober. Instead of spending money on things that kept you from being sober, you should have been sending the money to your child. Duh!


But, by the time I had started to make enough money to keep her happy, she had already left and wouldn't answer my calls because she was with someone else. She took my son and wanted me out of her life.


And this surprises you? Gee, do you think it might have something to do with you being a bad influence on your son?


She wanted me to disappear,as if I didn't exist. I still really don't know why to this day, I didn't beat her, she had no objections to what I was doing, maybe her family got in her ear, I just don't know. Well, whatever I stray away from topic.


This has everything to do with the topic. You messed up big time. No child needs to be around you.


By that time I was drinking and smoking heavily. I was also making a good amount of money.


Dirty money is no excuse for your behavior.


And hell, I wasn't selling herion, I didn't sell to children. I found nothing morally wrong with what I was doing. I Still don't find anything morally wrong with it to this day. I wasn't making people steal to get their fix, so who cares?


Herein lies your problem. You just don't have a clue. What would you describe as your occupation on bring Dad to school day?


Months later the raid hit. My grandmothers house got raided. They threatened to take the house, they kicked my nephew who was only a few months old, they hit me with the butt of an ar-15, and threatened to arrest everyone in the family(although noone had an inkling of what I was doing outside of the household).


And, this was all your fault. You put your family in a bad situation so that you could make some easy money. You don't expect any sympathy here, do you?


I was sentenced to two one year sentences in jail or pay 5,000 dollars a peice to get the time knocked off. Well, they took every dollar I had in the raid


And rightly so. You are lucky they didn't seize your grandmother's property.


and as I said earlier I come from a poor family so I had to do the time. Also, selling any form of narcotic, regardless of what it is, is considered a voilent crime, which makes you ineligible for certain work programs to cut time off. There is really nothing else at all to say about that period of time, jail is a rather mundane place.


Drug dealing leads to violent crimes. You should have considered the consequences of your actions and what the results would be from making easy money. You are not complaining here, are you? You keep mentioning how poor your family is. Many people who become successful come from poor families. They manage to improve their situations, rather than make them worse by selling drugs. They get grants, student loans and work their way through school. They don't try to get ahead by way of illegal activites.


Anyway, upon my release I realized that to continue to participate would mean a perpetual cycle of previous events leading me farther away from my goal of seeing my child. So since then no matter how hard things have got and no matter how easy it would be to fall back into the fast money lifestyle I have not. Now, I with a big F on my record work is almost non-existent. But I perservere.


Good for you. Now you have learned how your bad descisions might have quite possibly ruined your life. Don't wonder why your girlfriend has tried to get you out of her life, and the life of your son. I don't blame her one bit.


Should I be treated the way I am by society today?


Not if you have learned from your experience. I don't think you have. You have justified your poor judgement by trying to get pity from us with your story. You took the easy way out by trying to make fast money. You did not consider the consequences of your actions. You also say you still don't think you did anything wrong. You say you did not sell to children, but how about the people you sold to? You had no control over what they did with the drugs after you sold them to somebody else.


Do I deserve to be thrown away? Locked away with the key thrown in the ocean?


This is a ridiculous question. Improve your situation, rather than look for pity.


I never hurt anyone with my actions other than my family(not purposefully). I never forced anything on anyone other than my family(Not purposefully). Noone suffered because of my actions other than myself and my family.


How can you say this, having been a drug dealer? You are not serious, are you? What about the people you sold drugs to? How do you know they did not spend their food money on drugs, like you did, rather than supply things like diapers or clothes for their child? You can't see the forrest for the trees, can you?



And what I fear most is that my son will suffer the most for my youthful ignorance. He needs a father. Not a step father, but a father. He needs to know his biological father loves him.


You should have thought about this before participating in illegal activities. I'm sorry, but you are putting your own need to be a father to your child over and above what is best for your son. You are a very selfish person.


Or he might end up like me or worse. Even though what I did is considered wrong, I did what I felt I had to do to keep everything together. Keep my family together and well off.


You didn't keep everything together. You made your situation worse. Sorry, but you don't seem to have learned you lesson, as you try to use your son as an excuse to have done what you did. The child is better off without you in his life at this moment.


You never know what you'll do for money till you don't have it. It's easy for someone that's never been in a bad situation to point the finger and call names, but I want people to seriously think. There is a story behind every "criminal". And a family.


Sometimes the names are appropriate. You put yourself into your situation because of bad choices. Life is full of choices that are yours, and yours alone. There is a story behind every person and family on earth. What makes you special?

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posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 06:31 AM
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Your quote-"I'm not trying to say it's your fault because you're a druggy."

Then you go on to say-"You wanna smoke weed that's fine. I've done it too."

Then you say-"Now, should you be treated differently than me? Sure why not? I never committed any crimes."

Didn't you just admit to commiting a crime?...

I'll just let that speak for itself.

First off, I am not a drug addict. I did what I did to get paid, not to get high. I've never paid once in my life for smoke. It was always around free of charge. Seriously the problem, if any, was alcohol. I would smoke heavier some times than others but never was it a addict type thing.As I stated above it was around, it was part of the culture I was around. I'd also like to state these events span 5 to 6 years of my life. There was times I didn't smoke, other times I did. I still don't find anything wrong with it I just outgrew liking the feeling you get when your intoxicated.

Second off, you think someone thats sixteen is thinking about getting someone pregnant? It was sex, things happen. You think I planned on that?

Third, I never neglected my child. I never drank around my child or participated in any sort of neglectful behavior around him. When he was gone, yeah, things went crazy. When he was around I was fine. Even people that don't like me have admitted that I'm a good father when given the chance.

Fourth, noone ever loaned me anything. I've always made my way myself. Hence why I did what I did.I made a living doing what I was doing. Provided for a lot of people with the money I was making. I never asked anyone for handouts and perhaps my pride played a role in my resorting to such measures.

You're telling me you'd let you're family go hungry before you'd do something questionable?

Fifth, I am not asking for a better life than you or anyone else. I would simply like a even playing field. I get labeled and categorized any where I go.

So you yourself admit to indulging in the green goddess mary jane but since you never got caught and I admit to my wrong doing somehow You>Me? Don't label me with the label drug dealer and put me in the same category as a herion dealer. It's nowhere near the same.

Also, you say you did all the "right" things what exactly did I do thats wrong? Yes, I did illegal things, but were they wrong? No.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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I'm not looking for pity. I'm trying to give people that have no idea what it's like (that would be you) a look inside what causes people to turn to crime. It's not as black and white as you would think.

Once again I will re-iterate what I have said maybe four or five times now and said in the opening post. When my son was around I was fine and participated in no illegal or otherwise questionable activities. I didn't drink and was fine.

Also, you try going from dead broke to making thousands of dollars a day, and then say what money is or isn't an excuse for.

You obvisously wouldn't understand what it is like to be in my shoes and make no strides in trying to understand, you are one of the people in society I am talking about. I did not sell heroin. Once again, I did not sell heroin. I sold marijuana and anyone that doesn't see the absurdity of it all needs to stop watching reefer madness.

Drugs do not lead to voilent crime...Look at the countries that have de-criminalized it. Lower voilent crime rates all around. Drugs=voilent crime is a myth perpetuated by the state that makes billions off of its war on drugs.

Now once again I come to this question, because according to you all I should have let my family starve and wait for a job(that didn't exist).

Do you do whatever is necessary to provide for your family no matter how questionable, or do you live as failure incapable of providing?

My back against the wall I did what I felt necessary, and unless you've been there your opinion is null and void.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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Hmm, well I didn't really mean to suggest that I'm perfect. But I'm just not the one complaining here. I have problems, but I thought we were talking about your problems. One day I may do a thread on my own and let you tell me where I went wrong.

But one cannot solve ones problems until they admit them. You seem to be the one with having issues. Pointing out my faults will not help you with your issue.

Then again, you do know it's legal in some places in the world right?

Anyway, how is not being able to afford diapers for your child not neglect? How is being separated from them because of legal problems not neglect? Who told you children were free? I can use another word for it if you want? I don't consider it abuse though. I just consider it the inability to properly care for a child. But I know it wasn't intentional. I know you didn't do it on purpose. You probably are a good father with just a few mishaps along the way. The inability to do something proper doesn't mean you're a bad person. But you don't have to be like for ever. Go get the ability.

You're saying at 16 you didn't know where babies came from?

Now I say to you. You had an even playing field. I don't have anything against you. I'm not trying troll you or anything. But I'm not gonna sit here and pretend the world should pet you because you want petted. But I have to ask. Do you want to solve your problems and faults? Or do you just want to deny you have any?

If all you want to do is deny than why didn't you say so? I can do that.

Anyway, sounds like you're a good person, but you're just missing responsibility. Everyone has got to get it sometime.

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posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 06:51 AM
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LOL. Not all women are like that. But tiss one secret for finding a good one. Which I have found and have been happy for decades.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 06:54 AM
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I also find it funny that you think putting money back first for important things like your children and family instead of spending on drugs you think is nonsense. Interesting.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 07:00 AM
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I dont think you did anything wrong but try to support your family. I have been in this situation with an ex bf (I didnt have a child though) he was into things like you were and I didnt have a problem with most of it but in a way I did. I knew he was trying to make a living and he did have a job but he could barely pay bills with what he made so he turned to other things..selling. I didnt know for a while and then I found out. I was upset but I understood. The problem I had with it was what would happen if he got caught and what would happen to me as well. I sure as heck didnt want to go to jail for being associated with it. I know it was only reefer but its still illegal to sell and I wanted no part of it. I never put him down but I told him to do what he had to do and that I didnt want to know anything about it....He did stop shortly after that and never did it again. He has a good job now and a family of his own. I dont think what he did was wrong nor do i think he should have been locked up either. He wasnt stealing or hurting others he was trying to support us and I cant fault him for that. He was a good guy.
I think you were young and stuck in a situation where you had to do what you had to do to survive and support your family. You supported your family and there is nothing wrong with that in my eyes. I must say I have seen many teens get pregnant and the father disappears so I give you a lot of credit for staying and helping out and still being there. In my eyes you seem like a good parent who is trying to provide a good life for their child and there is NOTHING wrong with that.

As for the ones in jail right now I think its insane what drug dealers get. I have seen drug dealers get more time than rapists and murderers and its sick. I know drugs are bad but I would rather see murderers and rapists in prison for life than some drug dealer. The whole system is messed up! I only think we should throw the key away to murderers, rapists and child molesters.

I just want to say thanks for sharing your story and for not giving up and for being there for your family. : ) Good luck to you.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 07:01 AM
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I'd like to clarify some things because people aren't reading exactly what I wrote and taking me out of context.

After I found out she was pregnant and couldn't find work, I drank and smoke.

My son was born. I quit.

Months later is when the court system broke the family up. I started again.

My son would come to town. I would quit.

He would leave. I would unfortunatly start again.

Cycle would repeat for a while.

When she took my son and moved. I began drinking heavily.

I am offended by people saying things they know nothing about like "why did you buy dope when you're son was around." That didn't happen. I am not a heroin addict. I didn't need my "fix". Once again this was supposed to be about how easy it is to be led astray. And also the problem with the system that would keep minor drug offenders in prison for years (paid for by you fine folks) other than trying to defend people against real crimes.

Also, whille people keep saying you dropped out thats your fault. 2 months after dropping out I got my ged. Even with that work was scarce and the few jobs I did hold in those years I was usually fired right after business would slow down or winter would come (construction). I'm not saying what I did was absolutly necessary, but at the time damn if it didn't feel like it.



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 07:05 AM
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Sir, you don't know me, or the situations I have been in. So, for you to assume that I have not been poorer than dirt, is just that, assuming.

If you cannot find a job where you live, guess what, you need to move. There are jobs to be found, although they might not be in your neighborhood.

I raised 4 children as a single parent that rarely recieved child support. Never, have I resorted to illegal activity to put food on the table or clothing on the back of my children. I always paid my mortgage on time. I also never once received any type of government assistance.

All 4 of my children have attended college.

Your excuse for how your life turned out is the point that is moot, and yes, you are looking for sympathy.

There is no myth about drugs not leading to violence. Just ask people who live in a border town with Mexico in Texas or Arizona.

Your lame excuses to justify your mistakes are ridiculous.

Who cares if were on your best behavior around your child? You were feeding him with drug money, that you didn't pay taxes on, once again something illegal that you forgot to mention.

What would you have your son do? Would you teach him to live by example? Tell him to justify living the way you have for money? This is why you have no business raising a child. You think you did nothing wrong!



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 07:07 AM
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Wow that is a bit harsh on the sentences. So by your standards quite a few people I KNOW should be in prison for 25-life. That sure would take up a lot of prison space. I know many cops and many of them think busting for things like pot is ridiculous. I know many who usually just take it from the person and let them go and believe me that scares a lot of them into never doing it again. It seems to me you have never been in hard situation where you had to do what you had to do to survive or provide. I guess for me this has personal meaning since I understand where the OP is coming from or maybe I just have a heart and understand nobody is perfect and everyone makes their own choices. I am not one to judge on how someone chooses to live even if it involves selling drugs.



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