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Freestyle Rapping

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posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 09:59 PM
This really caught me by surprise but I've checked Rap and Freestyle Rapping out and looked into it and tried to do some myself, on my own. This is something I have found is interesting in self discovery, for the philosophical mind, and it's a good mental exersize at the least. Also, it reminds me of psychodrama in some ways which I find useful.

Think about it, Rap really goes along with what a lot of us are focused on right now in terms of freeing our minds from the system and society. You can get rap beats off youtube and instrumentals of rap songs and just try to make up your own stuff off the top of your head to the beat. You don't have to be that good to do what I'm talking about. When you are starting, you aren't even supposed to try to rhyme much, just flow. You'll be amazed at what you can come up with after just a few days of practice.

I know Rap has negativity surrounding it and hopefully the open mind attitude will dismantle most of that. And besides, if it's just you freestyling then you are in control of what is said. The beats and instrumentals by themselves have no words.

From what I've gathered in the past few days, a lot of rap is about "liberating yourself" and dissing the system, and learning to think for yourself. There is a clip where in court a lawyer asks Tupac (may he rest in peace), "Are you trying to evoke any sort of response from your listeners?" And Tupac answers quickly, "Yes. To think. Use their head."

Rap has been more than tainted by some rappers lyrics but if it's just you in a room "freestyling" then you are in control of it and what anyone else has done does not taint what you are doing. Definetly something for members interested in philosophy and poetry to look into if they never thought of it. It's really just poetry but you have to think off the top of your head instead of slowly writing lines.

This was probably more than obvious to some but I've never seen a thread on it in ATS that was actually positive.

posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 10:32 PM
I like to think I can freestyle but I usually do it online to my friends, so I have those few precious seconds to think ahead and where I am going with it.

My friends think Im an idiot because of the stuff I say because it is totally random but if you look at what Im really saying its deeper then just a linear set of pop culture references, it really is creative writing...well creative speaking?

I like to be cryptic, mostly because Ive discovered an artist I am enthralled with, he is the embodiment of talent.

I dont consider him a "rapper" i consider him a lyricist.


WARNING: Crude Language
-Aesop Rock-
"Holy Smokes" Lyrics

Well they were selfish with their helmets on the little bus,
'till break fluid sewage, crippled up the get retarded nickel punks
slowly cope but swore as a lowly robot holy rope would one day rise in sections to interrogate the holy ghost.

Holy smokes! Father, black suit, white collar
kiddie porn dungeon, guns and 3 fingers for your daughters,
caught belly up, antique Nazi paraphernalia
cannot pay your bills with holy water and hail Mary luck.

Shucks #er enjoy the Alcatraz shower fun
and Mommy's madam cliche, generation X, agnostic front
it aint the nifty fate, the nineteen fifty eight
before the new new testament approved alter boy pistic rape.

And take me to your leader long as he don't manipulate toddler beaver,
call me crazy but i bet that wasn't gods demeanor
sodameter peaking and on long island was Jesus and every weekend spoon fed to appease a traditional upbringing of a middle Pennsylvenia # hole where elders movements stressed a stellar therapeutic bible cycle.


Just a small section from one of his songs. I dont need to explain it, i mean its pretty obvious what hes speaking out against.

Not all Rap / Hip-hop has to be about drugs, money and women. That is for the neanderthals to revel over. There are many intellectual artists, but the problem is they dont get mainstream coverage because they speak about real topics not how much money they have in the bank.

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posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 11:14 PM
reply to post by Novise

Yeah man i love rap, been following it for afew years now i might try freestyleing one of these days

posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 11:19 PM
I used to do quite a bit of rapping op and i agree, it's fun once you stop caring about how you sound. Matter of fact i've been told that's the only way one gets good.
Keep in mind tho, a lot of rappers say that freestyle rapping is written down lyrics but just on the first "take".
s'n'f for you originality!

posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 11:22 PM
Hell yeah, there's many faces of rap, the majority only see the fake side.

What i mean, if you hate "rap" that you hear on the radio and MTV, i don't blame you. That's just a different flavor of the ClearChannel Mafia,s offerings.

Real hip hop is the complete opposite of what you're exposed to, it's spiritual, wise, intelligent, and as empowering as any path can be.

Most of real hip hop comes from followers of islam, and the roots of what we know as "street knowledge" has evolved from the "Five Percent", the Nation of Gods and Earths, the teachings of Clarence 13X which is basically a lyrically poetic condensation of the basic principles of righteousness according to Islam. "Knowing the science" used to mean being able to drop "The 120" right off the top, proving that you actually know something besides how much your shoes cost. As well as "dropping math" is in reference to the incorporation of Allah's mathematices, and the numerology of the cosmos, so to speak. The intent of the original teachings was to spread the base knowledge of Islam orally and in a way that can be understood by the underpriveliged, illiterate, uneducated, and those who would otherwise fall through the cracks, so to speak.

You'd never know that by seeing snoop dogg hollerin about whips and booty and cash like some exceptionally retarded clown. Sad.

But yeah, ANYBODY can rap, when my lifestyle had me in the center of things for the past few years, i spent EVERY DAY and i mean EVERY DAY freestyling, battling, killing the booth, and cyphering with all kinds of cats. Literal lyrical samurai type thing, i could be challenged and tested at ANY time. I ran a neighborhood sandwich shop and was there all the time, so anybody could walk in to test at any time. Not to mention when i was off in my waking hours i could be tested, and i've had my rap fam test me froma dead sleep, they'd put a beat on, tap me on the shoulder, and hand me the mic. Training.

And cats WOULD walk in and come thest sometimes, and most of the time i'd just straight flow and they'd not even step, but on occasion i'd encounter somebody that could actually rap. I'd tear em up with ease, it's just no thing when you live that way. I'm also into ambushing rappers and catching up with cats that rap for a living and break 'em off. One such occasion i caught a team of 2 cats who just rocked the house at a show they were headlining, and after they stepped off i crept to the stage, gave the DJ a nod to open my mic and spin a beat, and as they were leaving stage i set it off like a bomb and had the house get ridiculous. They come running back up to the stage like they were gonna set it staight. It was funny, they run up like yellin "Aw HELL NAWWW!" and i stepped off when they grabbed mics and they come in like full force, both of 'em kickin routines, tag team style, 2 on 1, and i played with 'em for a few bars to see what they got. When i actually went for the kill it was no big deal to take out the first foe with a few swift lyrical blows,, he rasied his hands "that's it" told his partner he's on his own and stepped off. At least i found out who's a true warrior, this kid that was left was a maniac, he had mad heart and skills to back it up and it took a few more rounds of straight kung-fu madness i gave them their props and invited 'em back to my stage anytime to test.

Freestyle rap and lyricism is the ultimate path to freedom of expression, because of the precise way you can apply words and rhythm can become anything. Rap, and you breathe life, give birth to concepts, you create your reality if you paint word in the air like painting graf on a wall.

Now I'm out of the scene so i don't get to rap with anybody anymore, i still shadowbox constantly and i got my skills all set to go. I'm always on the hunt for cats to battle but nobody kicks anymore. Everybody i used to rap with is all spread out.

I want to get back to battling, and i'd really like to hit up some big battle comps, like if i find out the Rap Olympics is gonna be on again, i'll show up and make sure i snatch the mic. If i can find battles and comps with cash prizes i'll go rap for a living. And not for the money, but for the love of it, i just wanna test my skills, and i kinda miss the lyrical samurai type life, it makes it real. When it comes to battling, i just love the taste of fresh blood on my blades.

But yeah, rap is fun, except for that crap on tv and radio, that's as real as professional wrestling.

posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 11:50 PM
I love to freestyle, picked it up in my younger days. I've got some friends that I get to see every few months now and we'll sit around once everyone's doing their thing at night, smoke some of nature's finest fruits and just spit bars (freestyle rap for you pale people out there) about all of the topics that you'd find here on ATS. Nothing like dropping some lines about ancient history, E.T.'s, and conspiracies. If you enjoy hip-hop I have but one group to suggest for anyone on these forums:

The Lost Children of Babylon

grab the albums "where light was created: the equidivium" + "the 911 report - the ultimate conspiracy"

These guys are insane, and they can put 25+ pages of ATS forum material in one really will blow your mind. And the production is cerebral, it some of the tracks are so well mastered you feel like your at a lyrical imax space experience of some sort...the audio quality in the embed gives it no justice, their production and mastering is top notch.

Canibus is also a decent mc...He's always rapping about a conspiracy or UFO's or some taboo matter ala ATS. He's also got a lot of junk too, but worth listening to.

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posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 11:58 PM
There's a difference between rap music and hip-hop.

Rap music is what you described when you mention "freestyling" - poetry that is spoken to a "flow."

What you described as "dissing the system" is what I think you are confusing for hip-hop, which is false. "Dissing the system" did not start with either rap or hip-hop.

Hip-hop is a culture which teaches self-expression though 4 (or 5) different "elements": emceeing (rapping), breakdance, graffiti and turntablism. KRS-ONE says that the fifth element is knowledge, which not everyone agrees with (KRS-ONE's own name stands for "Knowledge Rules Supreme Over Nearly Everyone").

From time to time rappers have expressed a dystopian tone in their lyrics, but they don't represent rap music or hip-hop as a whole. That is mostly the work people on the political left looking to stir up a "revolutionary spirit" in young people.

"Thinking for yourself" is a deceptive mantra. There's no such thing as "thinking for yourself" as far as these people are concerned. They will try to shape and mold you using practically every strategy except intellectual appeal. They realize that intellectual appeal is ultimately a zero-sum game which is not always useful in persuading others.

posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 12:19 AM
reply to post by vcwxvwligen

Very elaborate description of rap and hip-hop. Not sure I agree with everything you've said but that's what makes everyone who they are. I think we can simplify it further: rap and hip-hop are words...people assign meanings and form associations to those words and therefore everyone's definition will vary. As for the OP's post, star and flag, and freestyling is a great way to keep the brain active, and a fun and unique way to express your inner-most thoughts. Find a group of like minded people, not to battle, but to go back and forth with and multiply the greatness. Nothing like feeding off of each other's flow and ideas just keeping it going.

posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 12:20 AM
haha. I love freestyling. U2U me if you have yahoo messenger. We can get a big ol ats cypher goin on
(I say yahoo cuz its the easiest messenger to use for voice chats.)

posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 12:25 AM
reply to post by -NewSense-

hahaha by the way never noticed your "correct ignorance"...had me rolling for a minute. We should find a board on here that will let us D--K around and just get a cypher goin, 4-16 lines a post, just keep it going...then just compile it and get the ATS 2000 bars and runnin' on record...or just the thread will do.

posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 12:39 AM
freestyle rapping is only good when you understand the basics and the art of it

everything on earth has certain rules or a certain science behind it

the same goes for rap, there are certain aspects that make a rap good

knowing the poetic "rules" and such will really allow you to become better at it

its not just about flowing and spurting what comes to mind, ive seen many a fool do that, its about understanding the art you are trying to engage, if you are really interested in it learn more about it, study it and when other great artists have done, it will really free your mind, and once you understand everything with ease, you will have a great time and actually be and sound intelligent

theres many people out there who like to freestyle with no real knowledge of the art, and they sound like fools

posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 12:48 AM
reply to post by Dramey

The same goes for any instrument or musical or poetic matter. However not everything sounds good to's just as subjective as anything else, there are no set rules, as a matter of fact, some of the best I've come across defies conventional hip-hop and freestyle norms...It's about having fun, and about trying to drop someones jaw and about conveying who you are and what you believe. Sure no one wants to listen to white chocolate stutter off-beat for 2 minutes, but if you possess the rhythm, the quick wits and the intelligence then anything is game, just don't expect everyone to feel, or like, what you're doing.

posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 01:12 AM

Originally posted by VirginiaGreen
I think we can simplify it further: rap and hip-hop are words...people assign meanings and form associations to those words and therefore everyone's definition will vary.

Um, no.

Hip-hop is an actual culture and is not just a word that can be used interchangeably with the word "rap." Just look it up.

posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 02:02 AM
ats and rap..i like the combination. it takes more than stimulus to help this nation 3 eye blind leading ppl soon we now where to find .

Mos Def is my fav. along with Nas.

posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 03:18 AM
First off, great to see a positive thread about hip hop. Most times on this board it is portrayed in a very negative light.

I myself am a budding hip hop artist from Sydney Australia and I am proud to say we have a very strong scene here. It's never too hard to find a cypher, people playing and making good beats and there's always plenty of live shows.
Also, none of us are rich and with the market for Australian hip hop being so small it would seem no matter how good we are we're never going to make much money out of this. So I think for most of us it's all about love of the art.

I believe as an MC you should try to know most rapping styles and flows past/present and also have some understanding of "poetic rules", mic control, stage presence etc. This takes time but with the Internet, for newcomers and young uns it's a hell of a lot easier than it used to be. (YouTube KRS-ONE for starters... his name is a bacronym^^).
After that it's about being original and putting you own slant on things, your voice, your style. You know the flows now so don't bite em'.

All this being said hip hop is an amazing form of music as well as lifestyle choice but it may not be you, that's cool just don't dis us. We are not as the mainstream media would portray us. Most heads i know are much more aware than your average sheeple.

As for Using freestyling as a mind exercise or meditation tool... cool, it's music, it's art, it's expression that's what it does. But if you don't want to at least try to learn about the art and the culture that this technique came from then keep it at home and don't pick up the mic when out.

"I'm not an a**hole I'm just a little confused"^^^

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posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 03:35 AM
Hi, nice thread.

Here is the second album post from my album Maitreya-The Falling Away.

More to come. Enjoy


posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 05:36 PM
Yeah just thought I'd introduce the idea. The replies have been great and very useful. ATS is such a good resource. I especially like hearing from the people who have been pretty involved in it seriously some time during their lives or currently. I'm not looking to get serious about it or be a performer, or trying to get others to, that's not the intention at all. My intention was to get people to look into it, not because I think I know what's best for them lol, but because most people would probably never think to try it, or have it on their radar screen at all. Awareness.


I'm impressed by most clips I find that have to do with Rap, interviews, songs, the best rappers freestyling, etc.

Here are two.

I ran into this one last night, very touching definetly makes you think and relate.

This is one of the first ones I came across, really liked it.

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posted on Mar, 11 2010 @ 10:15 PM
This is a perfect thread for me right now. I recently started trying to freestyle on my own just to see if I can do it and you know I'm pretty bad I can get like 4 lines off easy on a good day 8 lines but then I just run out of gas you know but I'm working on it I try to just talk to myself and get a freestyle going every night before I go to sleep and every day while I ride my bike. It definitely is a liberating experience to be able to bust out a good rhyme. I also find that free styling helps you to relax, and it forces you to really dig inside of you and express what you believe in. Practicing free styling it sharpens your mind and makes public speaking a lot easier... because free styling is like 1000 times harder than just normal talking.

I've never been a fan of mainstream hip-hop, I don't pretend to be part of a hip-hop culture than I'm not really part of. But I always appreciate a good rap song, because rap is something that doesn't have to be confined to just hip-hop culture, it's really liberating for anyone.

posted on Mar, 12 2010 @ 01:21 AM
Drive-by post and no comments. The video below is a freestyle battle between some UK rappers and MCs...Skibadee is amazing...

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